Low sperm count!!!

Re: Low sperm count!!!

I did not have to go thru IVF, I was able to conceive by using injectible fertility meds and then progesterone supplements for the first trimester. I had such severe hormone insufficiencies that I'd not have conceived without these meds - my ovaries were shut down.

Before I actually began the fertility testing process, I read up on everything one should do to plan for a healthy pregnancy. So healthy diet, healthy lifestyle, vitamns etc etc....all did nothing for my fertility.

Re: Low sperm count!!!

Oh i see. Thanks to Allah He blessed you not with 1 but with 3 children :)

Re: Low sperm count!!!

as far as i know i think the couple have taken the Unani + homeopathic route.

I ask you all to pray for the couple in this trying time!

Re: Low sperm count!!!

I went to a doc who went to all lengths to identify the WHY for each of his patients. That is of SUCH importance. He ran all the tests - on me AND (even tho I definitely was unable to conceive) he ran tests on hubby too, upfront and prior to any sort of treatment. Most of the infertility specialists that I came to know while working in this field worked in that fashion. The ones who tell you to go for IVF without telling you WHY...they havent done their job and are poor docs.

Once we knew EXACTLY what the problems were, we were able to make informed choices about what types of treatments to persue. If you dont know the exact cause(s) of your troubles, you're operating in the blind hope that something/anything will work.

I truly pray that SC will come back in 3 or 4 months with wonderful happy news. Yet...having seen so much, having been thru this, having met so many who place so much hope in untested, unproven and (in many cases) inappropriate treatment paths....I worry that they will face utter devastation over the time wasted and still having to face the harsh reality of infertility.

If any of you go to a specialist and they tell you that you will need this treatment or that drug if you want to conceive, ask them WHY. Then spend a good long week at least with your good friend GOOGLE. If you do not get a good answer as to WHY, then the doc has not done the job that a doc is supposed to do...so either get them to uncover the why or get a different doc. Find the WHY before you find the "cure"...thats the only way.

ur kidding me yeah?

Re: Low sperm count!!!

Sadzz, you;d be surprised at how many people beleive in and throw their money at these crooks. They eventually end up right back where they started with wasted time, wasted money ahd very hopefully, still enough time left in their biological clocks to persue real treatment. The heartbreaking cases are those who have spent the last ticks of their biological clocks and their options run out. Sadly, I know of more than one or two of these and its not something that they will ever recover from.

I can never say this enough....KNOW what youre getting yourself into...KNOW the WHY of what the trouble is. Know WHY it might work and WHY it might not.

Ignorance is NOT bliss in any way, shape or form when it comes to fertility issues.

Re: Low sperm count!!!

^ Agree

I just dont understand that even on now people will fall trap to such things.

Yes, keep faith in God and all His work but you need to be wise yourself. You cannot just rely on this type of stuff.

Makes me so mad

Re: Low sperm count!!!

^^ no one is kidding you neither i have enough time to waste on you to believe it or not !

If you dont agree with Tibb-e-Nabwi or herbal treatment go ahead what way you choose, I am here to give StoneCold my oppinion , not you !

Sadz don’t be so quick to judge, not all naturopaths are fake. Yes, a handful of naturopaths have given natural medicine a bad name, but don’t let it prevent you from reaping the benefits of the most powerful healing system.

Humans and pure food (edible plants, herbs, honey, vinegar, etc) are a match made in heaven, they work as a team. Just like breask milk and baby are made for each other. They send each other signals and work together in a very mysterious way.
am quoting Hippocrates “The father of medicine” here …. “Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food"

To be very frank, I believe that the conventional medical system is on very thin ice, it's on the verge of collapse just like the faulty and corrupt banking system. It’s just a matter of time. Naturopathy is the future of medicine, mark my words.

Read this … it’s an interesting piece.

HISTORY OF MEDICINE

2000 B.C. - Here, eat this root
1000 A.D. - That root is heathen. Here, say this prayer
1850 A.D. - That prayer is superstition. Here, drink this potion
1940 A.D. - That potion is snake oil. Here, swallow this pill
1985 A.D. - That pill is ineffective. Here, take this antibiotic
2000 A.D. - That antibiotic doesn't work anymore. Here, eat this root

Re: Low sperm count!!!

I think people in this situation will go to any lengths to try and get the desired effect....These people will obviously out of desperation clutch at any straw available to them

2000 BC -1000 AD - Life expectancy 25 years
1850 AD - Life expectancy 35 years
1940 AD - Life expectancy 50 years
1985 AD - Life expectancy 72 years
2000 AD - Life expectancy 72 years

...and maybe I should include some info about infant mortality rates? In underdeveloped countries where modern medicine is not as accessible, infants have (in some countries) only a 50 percent chance of surviving to their first birthday.
I think this says something about the marvels of modern medicine yeah?

Re: Low sperm count!!!

I think modern medicine is probably the best solution here...but maybe alternate remedies should be tried, plus a better lifestyle. drinking more water, juices, fruits. that kind of thing..with multivitamins.....

I think in this case the doctor was too eager too jump to IVF...maybe rightly so! But i dont think enough avenues were explored before going down this route.!!!

Plus i think dua helps a lot!

Re: Low sperm count!!!

SC you're right about the doc jumping right to IVF. The next logical step SHOULD be to determine whats wrong yeah? The guy can undergo the proper tests at the same time that he's trying alternative treatments and lifestyle changes. I mean, what kind of alternative therapies is he going to try when he doesnt know whats wrong??? Is it hormonal perhaps? Vascular? Genetic? Damage from heat or childhood mumps? Thats why I think any homeopath, doc or any other kind of "healer" is a quack if they tell this guy they can help him when they have not the first clue of whats wrong.

Mama of 3 :), you have opened a Pandora’s box. Ahh … the marvels of modern medicine, eradication of epidemic diseases .. and greater life expectancy.

Yes, polio, and cholera killed thousands of people in late 1800s and early 1900s, when modern medicine had not arrived to rescue. That’s the same time they started experimenting with lead pesticides and DDT. DDT was the most famous pesticide of all, it was sprayed on humans, plants, crops, animals, fruits, clothes, you name it. Polio was not caused by a virus, that’s a best kept secret of 19th century. Nonetheless, some aware souls have written books on the subject. You can read “fear of the Invisible” by Janine Roberts. Polio was caused by a toxin and was not contagious. After the huge epidemic and after thousands of death, the federal government quietly recalled the lead pesticides, and DDT was banned for human consumption.

Then they came up with vaccination for prevention of polio, and antibiotics for treatment cholera. I wonder if it’s the vaccination that has prevented the polio epidemic (Hmmm) Cholera is another dark story of sewage mishaps that happened in an attempt of “modernization” of sewage disposal. .. I don’t want to go into details, it requires time and peace of mind.

Speaking of antibiotic for treating cholera, do we know what happens to the bacteria when we treat it with antibiotic. The antibiotic get attached to certain site in bacteria and kill it, it’s like a lock and key mechanism. But what if the bacteria changes its shape? What then? It’s called “Bacteria has developed resistance to the antibiotic” The antibiotics are only making harmful bacteria more and more powerful. There will be a time soon, when bad bacteria will be so strong and so versatile (because of so many different shapes, thanks to the antibiotics) that even healthy human bodies will have a hard time in keeping them under control. Right now the companies that make antibiotics are on a roll making billions, the same bacteria will bring them on their knees.

Now about life expectancy being low in West in early 1900s, let’s not forget world war 1 and 2, two of the deadliest battles of world history that killed more than 100 million people collectively. Around the same time, people started experimenting and playing around with nature and that era was so eloquently referred as “Modern ages.” Those early experimentations must have had some contribution in the shortage of life span.

I agree that people are living longer than before, but it’s the quality that counts when it comes to living life. Need I talk about the skyrocketing incidence of heart disease, diabetes, stroke, cancer, autism, osteoporosis, fertility issues, neurological problems, MS, bipolar disorder, ADHD, asthma, ulcers, schizophrenia, dementia, .. and the list goes on.

All I can say is, the nature is very merciful when you go along with it. Nature is designed very skillfully to serve humans. However, if you go against the nature flow … it becomes ruthless. Misuse of technology is creating problems, and humans make more technological interventions to solve those problems, that creates even bigger problems, and the vicious cycle continues. For some reason, us humans like to learn everything the hard way

BTW .. where did you get this life expectancy chart :)

Re: Low sperm count!!!

mmo3 well i think the guy is "trying" to lead a bit more of a healthy lifestyle now. I think the doc wants another sperm test before taking anything further.

I think the next question the guy should ask (after the sperm test results come) is are there any other solutions before ivf?

Re: Low sperm count!!!

Thats great news SC! And a very sensible approach. Once he has the answer, he can seek info (google is very helpful) to help him determine what next steps to take.

Restless i have nothing againts naturopaths... it was the hakeemi ilaaj i have issues with that people turn to back home... like "dum'" and stuff..

so, im sorry if i offended anyone, wasnt my intention

Re: Low sperm count!!!

dum is probably the religious side of healing......
it is totally different to hikmat healing which is centuries old.

Ask the couple to politely ask the doctor how much referral kickback he gets from the IVF clinic :). To my knowledge, the IVF clinics offer hefty kickbacks to doctors/hospitals for referrals.

Always ask lot of questions and appear very vigilant when communicating with your physician. A clueless person with a good insurance = Jackpot in "non medical terms"

Re: Low sperm count!!!

Sorry to resurrect this old topic!!!!

After 7 weeks of taking hikmat+homeo medicine, living a better livestyle, eating more fruit,cherry tomatoes,multivitamins,cod liver oil tabs....A sperm test has been done to see if any thing has changed.

Please keep this couple in your prayers!