I'd love to get into a debate about it with you but you don't seem to believe in Allah nor any higher being. So it'll be useless.
Islam is a very strict religion. Read into it a lil' further then we'll talk.
PS: Loving women is easy. Everyone is doing it. Giving up women is hard and not many of us can do that for "God".
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I'd love to get into a debate about it with you but you don't seem to believe in Allah nor any higher being. So it'll be useless.
Islam is a very strict religion. Read into it a lil' further then we'll talk.
PS: Loving women is easy. Everyone is doing it. Giving up women is hard and not many of us can do that for "God".
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Wow,, Why would God want you to give up women??? Isn't it HIM who created women,, why would God go through the process of creating something and then tell you to stay away from it. Women were born equal to men. men and women were born with the natural feeling of Love. You can hind the feeling of love But you can not help feeling IT.
Please do not quote what I never said. Read and re-read my post and tell me where I said "God want you to give up women???".
Like I said in my previous post, arguing with you would'nt make any sense because you obviously believe in whatever you want to believe. When you'd like to talk on the topic of Islam, I'd love to chat then. Your getting too emotional with this "love" topic.
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Please do not quote what I never said. Read and re-read my post and tell me where I said "God want you to give up women???".
Like I said in my previous post, arguing with you would'nt make any sense because you obviously believe in whatever you want to believe. When you'd like to talk on the topic of Islam, I'd love to chat then. Your getting too emotional with this "love" topic.
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Well, the last line of your post suggests that giving up women for God is something of a pious act. Well, I take it back if you didn't mean exactly that. NO NO I am not getting emotional with this. Regarding believing in what I like,, well I am free to THINK and use my reason and reason tells me that religion is a bit Harmfull to mankind and that there is no need to follow any religions to live a normal life.
The story of Yosef and Zulaikha. Shows how Prophet Yosef's love for Allah was strong than anything worldly. He was willing to go to prison to get away from the evils of what was surrounding him.
Chapter 12: 21-34.
The man in Egypt who bought him, said to his wife: "Make his stay (among us) honourable: may be he will bring us much good, or we shall adopt him as a son." Thus did We establish Joseph in the land, that We might teach him the interpretation of stories (and events). And Allah hath full power and control over His affairs; but most among mankind know it not.
When Joseph attained His full manhood, We gave him power and knowledge: thus do We reward those who do right.
But she in whose house he was, sought to seduce him from his (true) self: she fastened the doors, and said: "Now come, thou (dear one)!" He said: "(Allah) forbid! truly (thy husband) is my lord! he made my sojourn agreeable! truly to no good come those who do wrong!"
And (with passion) did she desire him, and he would have desired her, but that he saw the evidence of his Lord: thus (did We order) that We might turn away from him (all) evil and shameful deeds: for he was one of Our servants, sincere and purified.
So they both raced each other to the door, and she tore his shirt from the back: they both found her lord near the door. She said: "What is the (fitting) punishment for one who formed an evil design against thy wife, but prison or a grievous chastisement?"
He said: "It was she that sought to seduce me - from my (true) self." And one of her household saw (this) and bore witness, (thus):- "If it be that his shirt is rent from the front, then is her tale true, and he is a liar!
"But if it be that his shirt is torn from the back, then is she the liar, and he is telling the truth!". So when he saw his shirt,- that it was torn at the back,- (her husband) said: "Behold! It is a snare of you women! truly, mighty is your snare!."O Joseph, pass this over! (O wife), ask forgiveness for thy sin, for truly thou hast been at fault!"
Ladies said in the City: "The wife of the (great) 'Aziz is seeking to seduce her slave from his (true) self: Truly hath he inspired her with violent love: we see she is evidently going astray."
When she heard of their malicious talk, she sent for them and prepared a banquet for them: she gave each of them a knife: and she said (to Joseph), "Come out before them." When they saw him, they did extol him, and (in their amazement) cut their hands: they said, "(Allah) preserve us! no mortal is this! this is none other than a noble angel!"
She said: "There before you is the man about whom ye did blame me! I did seek to seduce him from his (true) self but he did firmly save himself guiltless!....and now, if he doth not my bidding, he shall certainly be cast into prison, and (what is more) be of the company of the vilest!". He said: "O my Lord! the prison is more to my liking than that to which they invite me: Unless Thou turn away their snare from me, I should (in my youthful folly) feel inclined towards them and join the ranks of the ignorant.". So his Lord hearkened to him (in his prayer), and turned away from him their snare: Verily He heareth and knoweth (all things).
The Story of Sulaiman and Bilkis.
Chapter 27: 15-44
We gave (in the past) knowledge to David and Solomon: And they both said: "Praise be to Allah, Who has favoured us above many of his servants who believe!"
And Solomon was David's heir. He said: "O ye people! We have been taught the speech of birds, and on us has been bestowed (a little) of all things: this is indeed Grace manifest (from Allah.)"
And before Solomon were marshalled his hosts,- of Jinns and men and birds, and they were all kept in order and ranks.
At length, when they came to a (lowly) valley of ants, one of the ants said: "O ye ants, get into your habitations, lest Solomon and his hosts crush you (under foot) without knowing it."
So he smiled, amused at her speech; and he said: "O my Lord! so order me that I may be grateful for Thy favours, which thou hast bestowed on me and on my parents, and that I may work the righteousness that will please Thee: And admit me, by Thy Grace, to the ranks of Thy righteous Servants."
And he took a muster of the Birds; and he said: "Why is it I see not the Hoopoe? Or is he among the absentees?
"I will certainly punish him with a severe penalty, or execute him, unless he bring me a clear reason (for absence)."
But the Hoopoe tarried not far: he (came up and) said: "I have compassed (territory) which thou hast not compassed, and I have come to thee from Saba with tidings true.
"I found (there) a woman ruling over them and provided with every requisite; and she has a magnificent throne.
"I found her and her people worshipping the sun besides Allah. Satan has made their deeds seem pleasing in their eyes, and has kept them away from the Path,- so they receive no guidance,- "(Kept them away from the Path), that they should not worship Allah, Who brings to light what is hidden in the heavens and the earth, and knows what ye hide and what ye reveal.
"(Allah)!- there is no god but He!- Lord of the Throne Supreme!"
(Solomon) said: "Soon shall we see whether thou hast told the truth or lied!. "Go thou, with this letter of mine, and deliver it to them: then draw back from them, and (wait to) see what answer they return"...
(The queen) said: "Ye chiefs! here is delivered to me - a letter worthy of respect. "It is from Solomon, and is (as follows): 'In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful: "'Be ye not arrogant against me, but come to me in submission (to the true Religion).'"
She said: "Ye chiefs! advise me in (this) my affair: no affair have I decided except in your presence."
They said: "We are endued with strength, and given to vehement war: but the command is with thee; so consider what thou wilt command."
She said: "Kings, when they enter a country, despoil it, and make the noblest of its people its meanest thus do they behave.
"But I am going to send him a present, and (wait) to see with what (answer) return (my) ambassadors."
Now when (the embassy) came to Solomon, he said: "Will ye give me abundance in wealth? But that which Allah has given me is better than that which He has given you! Nay it is ye who rejoice in your gift!. "Go back to them, and be sure we shall come to them with such hosts as they will never be able to meet: We shall expel them from there in disgrace, and they will feel humbled (indeed)."
He said (to his own men): "Ye chiefs! which of you can bring me her throne before they come to me in submission?"
Said an 'Ifrit, of the Jinns: "I will bring it to thee before thou rise from thy council: indeed I have full strength for the purpose, and may be trusted."
Said one who had knowledge of the Book: "I will bring it to thee within the twinkling of an eye!" Then when (Solomon) saw it placed firmly before him, he said: "This is by the Grace of my Lord!- to test me whether I am grateful or ungrateful! and if any is grateful, truly his gratitude is (a gain) for his own soul; but if any is ungrateful, truly my Lord is Free of all Needs, Supreme in Honour !"
He said: "Transform her throne out of all recognition by her: let us see whether she is guided (to the truth) or is one of those who receive no guidance."
So when she arrived, she was asked, "Is this thy throne?" She said, "It was just like this; and knowledge was bestowed on us in advance of this, and we have submitted to Allah (in Islam)."
And he diverted her from the worship of others besides Allah. for she was (sprung) of a people that had no faith. She was asked to enter the lofty Palace: but when she saw it, she thought it was a lake of water, and she (tucked up her skirts), uncovering her legs. He said: "This is but a palace paved smooth with slabs of glass." She said: "O my Lord! I have indeed wronged my soul: I do (now) submit (in Islam), with Solomon, to the Lord of the Worlds."
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Mystical, Do you mean to say the Atheists don't have feelings and they don't fall in love. A good friend of mine, who does not believe in God at all and yet loves this guy she met at a party. She is from South Asian family and her parents are very Muslims and they reacted very angrily. BUT she left home with the guy and now they live together and probably will marry soon. I have met the guy and found the guy is a nice bloke. The guy is spanish BTW,,,, So, Their love has got nothing to do with love of God.
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Sher, love for the sake of God..not the lowly desires..
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Sher, love for the sake of God..not the lowly desires..
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You can only Hide your love for things you can see, touch and feel BUT you can not help feeling it. which god has said not to love each other?
Sher, enter islam for your own sake.
It is not that hard to understand that what you give up for the love of God, is greater than anything else.
When an alcholic gives up alcohol only to please God, then that shows how much he loves God. But you would see it as 'fear' not 'love'.
Theres a difference on how you perceive God to be. He is All loving, All Aware. If you want to know Him, know His attributes through His names.
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jazakallah MM
brother Naadir jazakallah for writing out that story
guys, could anyone please share the story of Hz Ali [rz] and Bibi Fatima [Rz]?
jazakallah