Love Phenomenon

A belief system is something that has been imposed upon by the greater society to help us lead our lives. These beliefs are there as guides to help us better understand on all the how of love, hate, marriage and family.

We believe them because we see it everyday. In our daily lives, the great society dictates the defualt answers on all of the questions. There are many of them with respect to religion, culture and family; all of them are different from each other in every civilization.

Here are a few common examples:

Belief in love.
Belief of lasting forever.
Belief of what will make it last long.

Each society/ civilization has its own defination of love. Some believe that it should always end happily together. Others think even tough it ended tragically, one should be greatful it happened. Others absorbs the idea from poetry, music and media. People who defy the beliefs are basically tought as outsiders and rebels. Society only looks down upon them.

Personally I find this phenomenon quite intriguing. Just imgine if lived in a place where we were told that love is not real. You should not look for your prince charming or girl of your dream. You do not have to worry of either finding or waiting for it. What a blissfully ignorant society would that be!

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Why blissfully ignorant??

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You're looking to go to Pakistan maybe. They believe that sort of stuff there.

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makes sense, when one is in own self incapable of becoming an agent of change.
accurate and apt description - prisoner of imposed beliefs and harrowing preoccupation with manipulating the minds of potentially otherwise, caring, sensitive, moralful and God fearing people.

culture and its ethos about a feeling can be as irrational and undefined, as can be.
but does it have to remain this way? should it be allowed to remain vague or self deceitful or deceptive to others? wy there should be room left for hoodwinking from the responsibility of extending towards and keeping honor for the good of a linkage? & how easily it becomes prey to insinuations of self absorbed other beings?

all of it has to do with finding this substance called love and being able to point at it directly, to utter - this is it.

the real issue is, who is of the material who can pick up in the presence of real care (substituted for the term love)?

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if you (not you but you) don’t have the guts to stand up to the society and say SANU KI then i guess its much better to become part of that blissfully ignorant society. i see many people doing RONA DHONA of how society is this and that, imposing its collective beliefs and norms on us while we want to be different. but then no one is willing to take the risk for what they stand for or believe in. i mean, come on, if you can’t stand up to your own beliefs then why the society should give a BEEP about what you want, think or believe in. just live your life and then die one day like every1 else. end of story. THE END. :halo:

PCG : ajj kal bohat pyar araha hai pakistan pe. Allah khair hi karay pakistan ki :stuck_out_tongue: :halo:

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I think blissful...because you would have no higher expectations...you would be content with who you have.

Ignorant...because you are unaware of an intense relationship could exist.

I agree with MWP. We force ourselves to look for certain aspects to love/relationships which are imposed upon us.

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Love is deceit. Love is manupliation. Love is vague. No one can replace it with rationality. The only way one can experience is by the way of feeling and most of the time it is a heart ache. We take solace in one good moment when entire life washes away in hopelessness. Why push yourself in thinking that you have to do more or you are unlucky, ugly or many of those superficial things that the great society puts out? Why waste your entire life on some hope?

Love can be replaced by responsiblity and norms, which are more clearer. Responsiblity of a father to raise kids, mother to take care and children to follow the lead. One can lead a perfectly normal life without love. no?

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***Funny you should mention this, saw a TV program about some rural area in China where Women own all the Land. and They make all the rules that run their society....:).

Guess what............they do not believe in Love or Marraige, they do allow Men(strangers) to have sexual relations with and Father their children, but the men are not allowed to stay in the area after that. Children are raised by the Women, and the Male role Models are Mom's Brothers.

They showed one young Man who had fallen in Love with this girl there who was pregnant by him but the Man was being sent away..........:(

Interesting concept when you have "Women with a Plan"

"Man with a Plan" will become redundant won't you agree???:D***

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:D

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man with a plan,

Yes, it can be replaced with responsibility.
whenever trust is revoked, hope is born. dont call it a waste.

it is in fact a mark that one is honest and the other is not or does not care to be.

but each and every aspect of a relationship that is specifically woman- man, is and ought to be also equated on the basis of inner and outer affinity with each other, psychologically and due to that, under noble pact of marriage, physically, becaus ethe next generation could be an outcome of it.

love is not and ought not to be deceit.
you are so rudimentary in your idea of love.

do you know, what it is?

care + regard + confidence + trust + longing + prayers for the well being of the person who is loved + being straight forward to the person you love for his /her own good + not giving up = true love

but then, this is not a definition liked and adoptable by all mankind.

some women in the ontext of women-men relationship give so much respect to men, that at times, men cannot handle that respect, for they were never accorded that love.

the problem is that people in a given society can be so hung up on norms or scare of not-norms, that they totally forego their own ability to create a loving relationship, fortified by marital contract, on the basis of their God given right of choice, and personal responsibility.

will you marry and share your life and person with someone who you have never met beforeand all of a sudden are asked to marry that person?

worst, are you somebody who befriended someone and then after sharing all your burdens with, made off to a new person, whom you married in a hurry?

that is man-like?

love, my friend, is not a phenomenon which should be justified as an accident.

when Allah swt makes way for someone to come close to you, rest is also on you to make it work. i might be too hopeful about the will power of human beings, without violating the rights of loves ones like parents, but seeing men change, is a glaring evidence of how premature their suffering is due to their inability to make a decision and be without doubts, at least until they hacve reason to confirm their doubts.

in any event, thing happen when they are destined to by Allah swt's preordained scheme, and in that, Almighty has asked human beings to be forthright and follow through.
you cant hood wink yourself from your side of the carriage of supporting this very human emotion called love i.e. care for whomever you harbor it.

best,

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My defination of love is simple when you yourself described it as;

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care + regard + confidence + trust + longing + prayers for the well being of the person who is loved + being straight forward to the person you love for his /her own good + not giving up = true love

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How about we attach some other things as money, status and skin color. I am sure the + will turn into minus and divide.

Either way it is not men who are ruining the code of conduct rather premise is so falwed that no civilization can describe or follow it in a proper way.

Why bring Allah into the equation? If it is not an accident than why bring supernatural powers and circumstances. I guess that's why people are so hung up on it that they forget the basic principle, which is you make your own life. You choose your own future. One can decide what can be done to correct the mistakes. All you have to do is apply logic than resort to blame.

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will you marry and share your life and person with someone who you have never met beforeand all of a sudden are asked to marry that person?

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Absolutly, this has been done for centuries...but unlike love it will be my decision...not something that oh..it happened and crap broke off because of money, status and skin color.

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worst, are you somebody who befriended someone and then after sharing all your burdens with, made off to a new person, whom you married in a hurry?

that is man-like?

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that's niether me nor man like. if this is a norm in a society. it must be called love. oh...yeah see that every day in our society where people neglect their duties on the plain excuse of love and connection.

Can one lead a perfectly normal life without love? yes or no?

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^ Can one lead a perfectly normal life without love? yes or no?

you tell me, you are a man, i am not.

money, status and skin color, could also be leadiong some men into inferiority complex, no?

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it has nothing to do with men.

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^ wrong. best,
Dushwari

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with women, security is attached with the presence of man with her, as he lawfully wed wife.
for both, biologically and clinically, human intimacy is a normal thing.
but ethics, of beginning and ending a relationship must not be based on utterly selfish motive.
and that is where you would see, there are layers upon layers of social and personal self claimed rights that men abuse to make their confusions or instant want be met. that is not love. it is exploitation and if you think hard enough, it infact works against the mankind.

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Ah Hem.....So why does'nt OPRAH get married, ever wondered????

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I believe the chinese model is how elephants too behave. They are matriarchial society too. A group of elephants consists of a leading female and other females and babies. A lone elephant is usually male. Possibly other animals too behave like this.

Perhaps love is over-stated, but I do believe it does exist and can be used to have a really fulfilling life. Of course it is a double-edged sword and can be pretty devastating.

I think responsibility is probably a form of love. You can live life without love yes...but perhaps you do have love in your life and do not realise it because you are looking for a certain "norm" of love??

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Thread nice to read.