Lost One More Chance - Long live our attitude, approch and Thinking

S Africa eyeing Indian IT professionals, engineers, teachers
Friday November 18 2005 10:14 IST

PTI

NEW DELHI: In an effort to bridge technical skill shortage in their country, South Africa is eyeing Indian IT professionals, engineers and teachers, besides training cooperation in the field of public administration.

A high-level delegation from South Africa, which held discussions with senior Indian officials here, identified key areas where Indian expertise and talent are needed and a memorandum of understanding in this regard will be inked soon.

South Africa plans to recruit Indians from open market to address technical skills shortages in areas like education, Information and Communication Technology (ICT) and health, Minister for public service and administration Geraldine Fraser Moleketi told reporters here.

The African country was also looking to rope in Indian public servants for training their South African counterparts as part of a capacity building programme, Moleketi, who led the delegation, said.

Indian public servants will take part in mentorship programmes, short-term exchange programmes to facilitate skill transfer and joint training sessions, she added.

"India is on an economic growth path and it is strategic to consider India to address our needs, she said.

Indian experts will also assist South Africa with the development of a framework for the evaluation of mathematics and science teachers to identify the gaps and devise training programmes, besides providing help to evaluate the curricula, she said.

In the field of information technology, both the countries agreed to establish a joint task team to undertake a strategic analysis of the South African ICT industry for human resources training and development.

In the first phase, the team comprising members from both the countries will propose a strategy for developing the ICT industry while in the second phase the African country will focus on recruitment of specific skilled personnel from India.

“The team, which will submit its report in six months, will identify the areas where we need Indian talent,” Moleketi said.

In the local government sector, a joint team will be established early next year to undertake exercises to identify the specific requirements of municipalities and prepare a mentorship programme, she said.

“We need project managers, financial managers, municipal managers and engineers to bridge the technical gaps,” she said.

The idea is to place Indian public servants in predominantly rural areas where they have experience in managing service delivery on a large scale, she said.

The country is also on the look out for quality doctors and all these aspects will cover the MoU to be signed in the next few weeks, the Minister said.

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Re: Lost One More Chance - Long live our attitude, approch and Thinking

^^ We can not compete with bharat in exporting techies.

Good news is that Bharat (at least for now) cannot compete with Pakistan in exporting soldiers to the Middle East. We have hundreds and thousands of soldiers available for export. Additionally we can in short order train thousands of more jawans from Jehlum, Chukwal and Gujrat. These guys can bring peace and stability in the whole middle east and in the process bring home the dollars.

Instead of getting mad at Bharat, we ought to capitalize on Pak strengths.

Re: Lost One More Chance - Long live our attitude, approch and Thinking

Unbelieveable! Post something sensible man!! How old are you?

Not only is the logic stupid if it was true, but in reality Pakistani ex-soldiers get paid 10% of what ex-British and other forces get paid in places like Iraq.

Why would Pakistani army go en masse abroad when they are taking billions from Pakistan?

Re: Lost One More Chance - Long live our attitude, approch and Thinking

You have valid questions!

First the labor rates depend on your area of origin. It is all based on demand and supply. You start a project in Pakistan and rates will vary for workers from Pakistan verses the workers form overseas.

Here is an example for you. A top notch civil engineer from Pakistan working locally may charge Rs. 100,000 rupees a month ($200). If you want to hire a top-notch civil engineer from US to work on the same project, you would have to pay him at least $8,000 a month + airfare, lodging. So the Pak engineer is getting paid 40 times less compared to an American counter part while both of them are working in Pakistan. That ratio is worse compared to your 10% pay for Pak soldiers.

Secondly, we spend $3 billion a year on 500,000 Pak soldiers and their weapons. This is a pittance really. Our budget of $15 billion a year cannot afford to spend on the military more than this figure. So to earn extra money and regional influence they have to get out of the country.

And Middle East is the best place for these soldiers as they know the culture, custom and the religion.

I hope you understand these points. If not, IM me and we can have a private discussion. Thanks for your comments.

Re: Lost One More Chance - Long live our attitude, approch and Thinking

^^
I thought that the pakistani soldiers were already doing their duty in troubled spots throughout the world.

Re: Lost One More Chance - Long live our attitude, approch and Thinking

Yes that is true in some cases. Pakistani soldiers in a relatively small numbers are serving in “blue helmets” under UN programs. There total number may be around 2000 (could be higher or lower slightly)

However my reference was to export Pak soldiers in much larger numbers like 100,000. UN programs cannot fund that large of a force. So we may have to support US or NATO run campaigns.

Best regards

Re: Lost One More Chance - Long live our attitude, approch and Thinking

Surprisingly Nobody Thought And Talk How Pak/we Can Export Technical Manpower To Rest Of The World And What Should Be Done And How It Is Possible, Rather Brought A Unrelated Point Of Soldier And Middle East. I Think Everybody Is Confused.

Re: Lost One More Chance - Long live our attitude, approch and Thinking

Well it takes 15 to 25 years to prepare a “crop” for export. Start now and Pakistan will have export ready techies in some years. However the purpose of exporting techies is to bring home the $$. If $$ is the ultimate goal (and a right one), then exporting what you have right now, and what you are an expert in should be considered. Soldiers are also techies in the art of programming areas instead of programming Kompooters. That’s all. Look for Pakistani strength right now and export that. Ten years from now the world will change and then you can think of exporting the stuff that will be hot at that time.

Re: Lost One More Chance - Long live our attitude, approch and Thinking

When thousands fighters come back home from abroad, many damaged physically and mentally...what happen to society?

Re: Lost One More Chance - Long live our attitude, approch and Thinking

Dear Antibol,
You are saying that Pakistan would export fighters in future ??? well I think world call these fighters as terrorists.
Abhi

Re: Lost One More Chance - Long live our attitude, approch and Thinking

well sometimes bad apples do end up in the box marked as “for export”. Just look at the Bharati techies graduating from thousands of night schools or degree printing shops. They sure get exported as if they are all IIT graduates, and these bad apples end up in the West just to be kicked out quickly.

Re: Lost One More Chance - Long live our attitude, approch and Thinking

for every 10 bharati fake techies booted out, you get 3 who managed to set up a convenience store, then a supermarket, then a chain, and then go on to own lotsa steel mills and have weddings in God's front garden.

Re: Lost One More Chance - Long live our attitude, approch and Thinking

Hnm............ well now I am geting very good feeling that people in pakistan is jealous of indians abroad...... good we like that also.

Re: Lost One More Chance - Long live our attitude, approch and Thinking

Why would you like for Pakistanis to be jealous of Bharatis making good money? Is that what you do in UK aloo stores?

It may be surprising for you but Pakistanis and Bharatis in the USA do get along really well.

Best regards

Re: Lost One More Chance - Long live our attitude, approch and Thinking

Yes you are quiet right and we both project ourself as asians but things are changing very fast after 9/11 and we can clearly see the differences in tri sate(NY,NJ & Baltimore area) where lots of Indians have now alianated themself from "Asian's Tag" Results would be clearly visible in US and even in UK midlannds where Indians & srilankan community have bicoted pakistanis shops. I am not happy with these development but it is happening no one in NJ(patel land) or in west london(wembley,hounslow,southhall etc.) can ignore this fact.

Re: Lost One More Chance - Long live our attitude, approch and Thinking

Really sad if it is true.

Peace

Re: Lost One More Chance - Long live our attitude, approch and Thinking

100,000 rupees would convert to $2,000…what kinda Matoo school did u go to?

Re: Lost One More Chance - Long live our attitude, approch and Thinking

yes infact it is true. the way us south asians projected ourselves infront of the west (uk, us, canada) were as asians. however, after 9/11 things have changed a lot. stores that held the indo-pak sign before 9/11 now just say indian etc (and no i am not pakistan bashing with that). it is really sad but true that now there is a very visible line between who is indo , pak or srilankan. goddam terrorists …