I have a couple of questions about Lord Ram, I would appreciate hindu guppies to explain.
Is the Lord Ram’s name mentioned in the 4 sacred scriptures. If it is mentioned with reference.
If not is Lord Ram any avatar and since when, is Lord Rama being worshipped again with reference.
I would request, all the muslim guppies to avoid bashing and let the hindus answer.
Thanks.
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1) Is the Lord Ram's name mentioned in the 4 sacred scriptures. If it is mentioned with reference.
if you mean vedas....then the answer is NO. even if it is mentioned, 'Rama' is just a name of a *Mantra. *
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2) If not is Lord Ram any avatar and since when, is Lord Rama being worshipped again with reference.
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It is ramayana written by ramacharita manas which had made him a god. Valmiki ramayana is considered to be a real history. It does not portray rama as a Avatar. Even if it does, it is a later addition. Rama is just a king in valmiki ramayana. But it seems *uttara khanda *of valmiki ramayana portrays him as an avatar. That i feel is a later addition.
These are purely own opinions, which i have confirmed from some one else whom i consider a learned hindu....i repeat according to me he is learned in scriptures.
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It is ramayana written by ramacharita manas which had made him a god.
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"Ramacharit Manas" isn't a person! It is a book written by Tulsidas.
Anyway, Rama is not mentioned in any of the Vedas- but prophecies forecasting hs coming can be found in many puranas
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well Lord Ram is not mentioned in old scriptures 4 VEDAS which deal with god,ayurveda,rituals etc but he is mentioned in RAMCHRITMANAS as Lord directlywritten by Tulsidas( in Braj Bhasa dialect of Hindi understandable by common masses) during Bhakti Movement. till then VALMIKI Ramayan was the only source(tough sanskrit but was told verbally to people as RAM Katha). Ramchritmanas depicts RAMA as lord and had certain variations with sanskrit one. Valmikiji was told to write Ramayan by sage NARAD who told to Valmiki the story of the avtar of Ram prior to Ram's birth. only last part IE luv kush kand was added later because Luv And Kush Ram's sons were born in his ashram which is present day near Amritsar place called Ram Tirath 8kms on wagah road. Luv founde Lahore Kush found twin city Kasur..
Valmiki composed twenty four thousand verses and taught them to Lava and Kusha, the sons of Rama and Seetha. The two youngsters sing the ballad among the assemblages of sages and saints, and win laurels. Rama on seeing the boys singing on the streets and king's ways of Ayodhya, brings them to his palace, and summons all his brothers and ministers to listen to the ballad. Rama himself is put to the turmoil, for the ballad sung by these youngsters narrates the legend of Seetha. But he himself collecting his calm, Rama paid his attention to listen the 'Legend of Seetha' [FONT=Translit 98]**sithaayaH charitam mahaan **as Valmiki calls Ramayana.
this is what Valmikiji writes about Ram in ramayan which shows he was in avtar too
King Dasharatha commences the putrakaameSTi ritual aiming to beget progeny, under the aegis of Sage Rishyasringa. The celestial beings gather to receive the oblations offered in the Horse Ritual conducted by King Dasharatha. They are perturbed at the atrocities of Ravana, and request Brahma to think for a way to eliminate Ravana. Vishnu arrives there and pacifies Brahma and other celestials with an assurance that he will incarnate as human to eliminate Ravana.
this is glory of lord as mentioned
Among those princes the eldest one Rama is like a flagstaff and a delight of his father Dasharatha, and he became acceptable to all beings like the self-created Brahma. All the princes are scholars in Veda-s, valiant ones, all are interested in the welfare of the world, all are intellectuals and all of them possess an air of probity. Among them the great resplendent Rama, whose valour itself is his truthfulness, is the dear one to all the world like the tranquil moon.
Rama is admittedly a champion of riding elephants and horses, also in tactical charioting, and he rejoices in the art of archery, and absorbed in the obedient service of his father. Right from childhood Lakshmana, the enhancer of prosperity, is always amiable towards his world-charming elder brother Rama.
during birth timings of RAM the rituals follwed (til now too) were vedic ones and after his avtar he was started worshipped as god.
hindu mythology talks of 4 time periods satyug,tretayug,Dwapar Yug and kal yug.. vedas were composed in satyug,ram born in Treta yug and krishna born in dwapar and in kal yug yet to get incarnation...
lord ram is one of avtars of lord Vihnu the trinity (brahma creator, vishnu mantainer, mahesh shiv destroyer) is worshipped..
you can go thru valmiki ramayan in english and Tulsi ramayan online too..
bbye
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if you mean vedas....then the answer is NO. even if it is mentioned, 'Rama' is just a name of a *Mantra. *
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Thanks for your time.
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It is ramayana written by ramacharita manas which had made him a god. Valmiki ramayana is considered to be a real history. It does not portray rama as a Avatar. Even if it does, it is a later addition. Rama is just a king in valmiki ramayana. But it seems *uttara khanda *of valmiki ramayana portrays him as an avatar. That i feel is a later addition.
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Thats good to know. But is he considered an imp figure amongst the hindus.
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These are purely own opinions, which i have confirmed from some one else whom i consider a learned hindu....i repeat according to me he is learned in scriptures.
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Thanks ssingh again.
My next part of the question is, historically is there any authentic evidence of Lord Ram's existence or is he a myth. Authentic sources, would be appreciated.
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Anyway, Rama is not mentioned in any of the Vedas- but prophecies forecasting hs coming can be found in many puranas
If you can support your statement with reference would make this topic much better, I ask the same question as I have asked ssingh.
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well Lord Ram is not mentioned in old scriptures 4 VEDAS which deal with god,ayurveda,rituals etc but he is mentioned in RAMCHRITMANAS as Lord directlywritten by Tulsidas( in Braj Bhasa dialect of Hindi understandable by common masses) during Bhakti Movement. till then VALMIKI Ramayan was the only source(tough sanskrit but was told verbally to people as RAM Katha). Ramchritmanas depicts RAMA as lord and had certain variations with sanskrit one. Valmikiji was told to write Ramayan by sage NARAD who told to Valmiki the story of the avtar of Ram prior to Ram's birth. only last part IE luv kush kand was added later because Luv And Kush Ram's sons were born in his ashram which is present day near Amritsar place called Ram Tirath 8kms on wagah road. Luv founde Lahore Kush found twin city Kasur..
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Fine, thanks for your time.
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Valmiki composed twenty four thousand verses and taught them to Lava and Kusha, the sons of Rama and Seetha. The two youngsters sing the ballad among the assemblages of sages and saints, and win laurels. Rama on seeing the boys singing on the streets and king's ways of Ayodhya, brings them to his palace, and summons all his brothers and ministers to listen to the ballad. Rama himself is put to the turmoil, for the ballad sung by these youngsters narrates the legend of Seetha. But he himself collecting his calm, Rama paid his attention to listen the 'Legend of Seetha' **sithaayaH charitam mahaan **as Valmiki calls Ramayana.
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You have answered some part of my query I would be interested in knowing more about life history about Ram, such as his birth, death and the life in between if you can throw some light on these questions.
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this is what Valmikiji writes about Ram in ramayan which shows he was in avtar too
King Dasharatha commences the putrakaameSTi ritual aiming to beget progeny, under the aegis of Sage Rishyasringa. The celestial beings gather to receive the oblations offered in the Horse Ritual conducted by King Dasharatha. They are perturbed at the atrocities of Ravana, and request Brahma to think for a way to eliminate Ravana. Vishnu arrives there and pacifies Brahma and other celestials with an assurance that he will incarnate as human to eliminate Ravana.this is glory of lord as mentioned
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Interesting.
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Among those princes the eldest one Rama is like a flagstaff and a delight of his father Dasharatha, and he became acceptable to all beings like the self-created Brahma. All the princes are scholars in Veda-s, valiant ones, all are interested in the welfare of the world, all are intellectuals and all of them possess an air of probity. Among them the great resplendent Rama, whose valour itself is his truthfulness, is the dear one to all the world like the tranquil moon.
Rama is admittedly a champion of riding elephants and horses, also in tactical charioting, and he rejoices in the art of archery, and absorbed in the obedient service of his father. Right from childhood Lakshmana, the enhancer of prosperity, is always amiable towards his world-charming elder brother Rama
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Thanks, I still stand to my point references would be appreciated.
during birth timings of RAM the rituals follwed (til now too) were vedic ones and after his avtar he was started worshipped as god.
hindu mythology talks of 4 time periods satyug,tretayug,Dwapar Yug and kal yug.. vedas were composed in satyug,ram born in Treta yug and krishna born in dwapar and in kal yug yet to get incarnation...
lord ram is one of avtars of lord Vihnu the trinity (brahma creator, vishnu mantainer, mahesh shiv destroyer) is worshipped..
you can go thru valmiki ramayan in english and Tulsi ramayan online too..
bbye
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okay to ur question he is considered as Avtar of Lord according to all scriptures like i quoted from Valmiki ramayan ....
there are scientific evidences of Ayodha and ram's rule..
1. Adam's bridge between sri lanka and India was found by NASA and termed as man made.. well its bridge mentioned in ramayan made by Ram to go to Lanka to have Sita...
there are links on net. plz try google search by putting " adam's bridge nasa" in bar and u will get many links. rite now i m not able to put links being new member
there are numerous places linked with ram ,hanuman even in sri lanka where it was held //
regarding his life etc.. i advice u to go thru the net as what i will write would match the valmiki ramayan and ramchritmanas on net
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Brother, to tell you the truth i would have directly googled, why i wanted a thread here was so that I can here stuff from the horse's mouth.
Well, i dont usually go thrught the links and would want them to explain stuff according to one's understanding.
But i have done as u said, and this seems interesting, thouth there is an air of doubt from NASA itself and some indian researchers. Many of the articles have debunked this theory.
My question is still unanswered biography of Lord Ram wil be appreciated.
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My next part of the question is, historically is there any authentic evidence of Lord Ram's existence or is he a myth. Authentic sources, would be appreciated.
authentic source would be Valmiki's ramayan!. Ramayana written by valmiki, it seems is nothing like what was shown in TV. But i cannot specify what all those differences are as i have not read it.
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give me some time i will tell u about his biography in detail.. tk care
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Lord Rama has been mentioned as an incarnation of Vishnu in the Garuda Purana(1.86.10-11) and also in the Vishnu Purana and Srimad Bhagavatam(I possess neither of the books). As for historical proofs- I daresay you will find none- because, according to hindu tradition, Rama appeared in Treta Yuga(1,296,000 years ago to 864,000 years ago(by ago, I mean before the beginning of Kali Yug which will last for 432,000 years))
There are hindus who do not accept such unbelievable time scales, but this is what is said in the Puranas.
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Ok this is according to the verses but is it right the word Lord Rama came into existence only after 11th centure AD. Is it written precise in the puranas as Lord Rama.
Because the dates you have mentioned are way back unless some historical evidence is provided. I am still waiting for the biography of Lord Rama any takes on that.
Thanks in advance.
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Yes, it is precisely written as Lord Rama. The words like Rama came to the earth only after 11th century are absurd. Rama has found a mention in the Mahabharatha also. There are many versions of ramayan in South East Asia also- for ex. Rama is called Yama in Vietnam. Please read the article on rama in Wikipedia. Please do not think about Muhammad and Jesus when you talk abou Rama and Krishna- as the dates show you, there is no way you are going to get a historical proof of Rama's existence.
As for the biography of Rama, "Valmiki ramayana" is obviosly the only one reliable in religious matters.
By the way, I should add that according to Hindu tradition, Luv built Lahore and Kush built Karachi- both were Rama's sons and both the cities definitely existed when the Moslems invaded, and that was in 8th century A.D wasn't it?
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I am very sure that Rama’s existence precedes 11th century AD. My faith tells me that it is thousands of year’s old, but definitely that cannot be proved. You have proven literary works like Raghuvamsham by Kalidas which is nearly 1500 years old. There are temples in India dedicated to Rama which are more than 2000 years old.
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well the question of Lord rama only after 11 century is absurd.. there are temples predating that period also recently excavations have revealed submerged town dwarka in sea which was krishna's time ..if he was there ram must as ram mentioned mahabharta of krishna's time ...
also to revive hindu sanatan dharma adi shankaracharya developed 4 maths in 9th century ad.... in multan there was sun temple which was destoyed by muslim invasion.. al beruni desrcibes that and also ram temple in premises
luv founded lahore, kush founded kasur not karachi.. twin cities...he is mentioned in books later tha vedas before 11 century
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Again thanks for clearing my doubts, my only point in discussing in the forum, was i am in conversation with a rationalist, an atheist basically.
I was in argument with him and he came out with some solid evidences. Obviously, I being an Indian ofcourse know much of it. Well, I am happy with your responses as it clears the doubt about the Lord Ram.
My next question is regarding the causeway built by Lord Ram or was it a bridge and evidence in regard to this. Victory, i will read your article sometime later as I am stuck in the office thanks.
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plz tell what solid evidences he came after..
that bridge was build to get way for army to fight to Lanka modern day sri lanka to get his wife back from ravan king of lanka...
will tell u more detail and ramayan in summary.. but waht was that person saying .... 2 u
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1) Hanuman, how did so many of them come up when there was no female at all.
2) Lord Ram, if he was God why did he take support from someone(Hanuman) lower then Lord Ram.
3) How come Lord Ram, being an incarnation of God did not realise, the arrival of Ravan.
I am sorry regarding the 11th century i mentioned, he says 11th century AD since, the people started worshipping, according to the history.
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i did not understand there were no females. it was the army of apes.. with hanuman bali sugreve as leader..
well even he was incarnation but he was not to produce miracles. at later stage u will also know that It was ravan's brother who told how ravan can be killed. in his life ram did not do any miracles..it was fight against evil and against the mighty so his incarnation was to kill the evil and give the common people boost .. he did not possess any magical powers even as incarnation but a human soul who lived like a man.. and he was to produce examples of committment pran jaye par vachan na jaye... it was to infuse people to fight the evil by their means.. hope u understand my words .. it was vishnu ji who knows all not his incarnation RAM .it was his acts and the life and revealtion by sage narad thru valmikii..which make him god.. as person we can say that it was plot ( maya jal) to kill ravan otherwise it had been no reason ram who was without army can attack ravana.. it was predetermined acts to move thru........