Looters Civil & 12 pass bureaucracy , billions & Billions

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Bechara nasamajh tha

Agar … hota to bachay US hotay aur paisay chhapar
** Pakistani politicians ko badnam kartay hain**

Balochistan ka mamooli secretary , Zara asli taqatwar civil & Military bureaucracy kay baray main sochain

NAB recovers Rs 630 million in raid at Balochistan Secretary Finance’s house

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Read it with
The sordid saga of FC corruption

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This video shows how much money is this! And this is a small fish in a poor country

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This man is a mental case like many Pakistanis including top leaders.

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A civil servant, Jamat Ali Shah, he after his retirement bought land in Canada almost the Size of Pakistan( as they say it Canada)...

And many other HAZIR civil servants, they have their kids studying in top and expensive Universities of west...only ti come back and loot more...

If anyone, the Commission under CJ should be formed to investigate all the civil servants and i can bet my life that with the money we recover from then alone would enough for our 5 years needs.

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paisay kaheen se bhi niklayn aur sawal uthay “12-jamat pass”, :rotfl:

EDIT: oh wait, all educated ones are 12-jamat pass, probably politicians are 20-jamat pass :hmmm:… and

Sharjeel Memon was 12-jamat pass? :hmmm:

Ayyan was transferring 12-jamat pass money?

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there's a lot of people "on leave" settled in the west, while still collecting salaries and benefits from their govt jobs in pakistan as they're on "long leave", no wonder Pak is in bad shape

we got all the corrupts, all the cheaters and biggest frauds and unfaithful and insincere people/politicians/leaders in Pak, and unfortunately nothing can be done about it, nobody can get rid of them.

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That was ‘Bahria Town’ money and 12 pass are more involved than civilians

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This die hard pee pee fan is only trying to make halal the money received from the haramkhors for supporting them.
He conveniently ignores all examples of pee pee corruption and instead picks one which he thinks is relayed to the army’s corruption.
He thinks that since Riaz’s company is called “Bahria Town” therefore it must be related to Navy.
Actually, that assumption is false. Navy has sued for wrongfully using its name even though Bahria Town is no longer related to Bahria anymore.

Here is from last year when Riazpeepee lost the case in one court.

Malik Riaz loses right to ‘Bahria’ brand name - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

A local in Rawalpindi, handing down a verdict in the over a decade old case between the naval subsidiary Foundation and Malik azd the former’s petition – originally filed in 2002 – to restrain the magnate from using the name ‘Bahria’ for his housing society.

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Just to refresh your prejudice mind

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/04/business/04shelf.html?_r=0

Economic Growth, Clad in Military Garb

By STEPHEN KOTKINNOV. 4, 2007

PAKISTAN’S recently re-elected leader, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, has indicated that he might finally heed the calls for him to step down as head of the army. But even if the general becomes a civilian president, that will not take the uniform off Pakistan’s economy.

A strategic country with nuclear weapons and suicide bombers, Pakistan also merits attention for economic lessons. From 1950 to 2000, its per capita income tripled, making it something of a middle-income country. But social indicators like infant mortality and literacy remain at the world’s lower end. A few hundred intertwined families, many rooted in the military, maintain an anti-development chokehold on the country’s wealth and political system.

“Why some militaries become key players in a country’s power politics is an issue that has puzzled many,” writes the Pakistani analyst Ayesha Siddiqa in “Military Inc.” (Pluto, $35). Her answer is that the brass is protecting its gold.

A military industrial complex can form a part of a regular economy, as in the United States or Britain, she says, but in some places, like Indonesia or Pakistan, military business operates in the shadows, broadly distorting values. Ms. Siddiqa uses the term “Milbus” to refer to “military capital that is used for the personal benefit of the military fraternity, especially the officer cadre, but is neither recorded nor part of the defense budget.”

Her book, while dense and full of jargon, offers a detailed and powerful case study of a global phenomenon: hollow economic growth.

Ms. Siddiqa’s empirical riches on Milbus were not easy to come by. Some were extracted by Pakistan’s parliamentary opposition after 2002; some she culled from official reports. (President Musharraf, she writes, has disclosed more than $10 million in real estate assets.) She also conducted interviews and has relied on Pakistani journalists’ muckraking.

Even if her “rough figure” for the overall scale of Milbus (about £10 billion, or $20.7 billion) and her accounts of specific examples prove in need of revision, Ms. Siddiqa has dared to illuminate Pakistan’s military as an oppressive holding company possessing not just security-related businesses, but also hotels, shopping malls, insurance companies, banks, farms and an airline.

How did Pakistan’s armed forces end up dominating the economy? Awarding land grants to soldiers dates back to the aftermath of the 1857 mutiny against British colonial rule. After 1947, when Britain departed and Pakistan separated bloodily from India, the perceived external threat from India, and the dispute over the province of Kashmir (left unresolved by the British), kept the military front and center in Pakistan.

Distrustful military men sought to ensure their institution’s financial autonomy, Ms. Siddiqa argues; then they sought direct control over policy making. In the bargain, they enriched themselves.

Post-independence expansion of Milbus occurred most prominently via welfare foundations, under the guise of providing for the needs of the troops and their families, whether with bakeries or beauty parlors. In addition, land grants, pensions five times the civilian level and post-retirement jobs — “the most significant group involved in Milbus are retired personnel” — were designed to make service attractive. But Ms. Siddiqa writes that “out of the 46 housing schemes directly built by the armed forces, none is for ordinary soldiers.” Milbus acts like an upward funnel.

Milbus justifies its commercial empire by disparaging civilians as incompetent and corrupt and insisting that the military alone promote national development. Just such a developmental apology for Pakistan’s military rule was echoed in American academic and policy circles throughout the cold war.

To refute these claims, which endure among Pakistan’s officer corps, Ms. Siddiqa tallies the bailouts for military-run businesses. When Milbus earns profits, Ms. Siddiqa writes, they often derive from insider access to resources and contracts. A number of top military companies, she shows, were granted outright monopolies, which wiped out competitive civilian companies. Milbus displays all the inefficiencies of crony capitalism, worsened by the military hierarchy.

Economic predation by the Pakistani military, she writes, finds an enabler in the nation’s alliance with Washington, lately in the name of the war on terror. But she directs her deepest ire at Pakistan’s civilian politicians, many of whom, she writes, have colluded in Milbus, profiting politically and commercially.

She writes about what she views as appeasement of Milbus in actions of two rival civilian prime ministers. Later, they were exiled. One, Nawaz Sharif, was recently deported when he tried to return to Pakistan, and the other, Benazir Bhutto, was just allowed back in a tenuous deal.

By way of possible remedy, Ms. Siddiqa calls for the unity of Pakistan’s opposition parties, long a chimerical pursuit, and for a mass mobilization to democratize the political system. In fact, she writes that the military might be viewed as Pakistan’s largest political party, an all-volunteer force recruited primarily from the lower middle class. And she also notes that in China from the late 1990s, it was not democratic mobilization, but the autocratic Communist Party leadership that compelled the Chinese military to divest much of its vast economic holdings.

Mohammad Ali Jinnah, the leader of the Muslim League in British India, helped establish Pakistan as a separate state for Muslims (not an Islamic state). He insisted that “the future of our state will and must depend greatly on the type of education we give to our children.” He was right. But education in Pakistan turned out to be elitist to an extreme, and steeped in national security demonologies, which helped deliver the nation into military hands. The upshot has been not just political instability, but also economic growth without development.

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Here are some numbers to ponder:

USD 60 Million Zardari's Swiss account
PKR 900 Million of Nawaz Sharif family...

Now Govt officials and Army Men
Sec. Finance, Balochistan: PKR 640 Million
BRIGADIER Asad Shehzada PKR 13 Billion
Lt COL Haider PKR 1 Billion

Now wait till things about General Ijaz and about senior civil servant comes to light.

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This post only shows your own racist prejudiced mind.
Even if all army, all pmln, all pti, are corrupt, that still does not make Bahria Town a navy subsidiary.
Hence that paypay activist claim that Ayyan's case was related to Navy is false.
And no matter how much paypayers growl or howl or cuss, that truth still can not be changed.

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If this amount can be calculated .....
If we assess it may be 100 billion
Loss reaching to economy can not be less than a 1000 billions
**Remember
Our - Federal **Budget 2015-16 of Paksitan with an outlay of Rs 4313 billion

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General Kiani's brother PKR 16 Billion
Core Commander Lahore or Karachi PKR 45 Billion
Some other Brigadier returned PKR 900 Million after 20 odd years.
General Shuja Pasha got plazas in Rawalpindi
Many ex army men and civil servants own properties worth billions in Dubai alone...

The civil servants and there lavish life style... Billions if not trillions being looted by them as we speak...

FBR, have major share in it, they alone eat up something like PKR 2000 billion or more annually.

If there is intention to curb corruption, just ask military and civil servants how they manage all this with their income... And don't take that it is gift from wife or inlaws...(and iam not referring to Imran Khan here)

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And this all not new I personally know one Colonel Muqqarab who face trail in same offense at Baluchistan some more than 20 years ago
Now he lives in a lavish DHA 2 Islamanabd bangallowi
receiving pension & .......

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lol... jumping from 13billion to 100 then suddenly 1000 billions. wah wah.

But on other hand Pakistan secured billions of loans, no project started/finished, money transferred to Swiss, but that is okay... lets say the loan was $50 billion then in eyes of PPP it is negligible.

If civilians can start punishing each other for crimes and corruption honestly I don't see how army will get away with crimes and corruption.

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and I know politicians personally who never worked any job but have millions in worth, who will stop who?

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Inexperienced pakrra gya. Experienced hamakhor like zardari and nawaz etc are free.

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I think he was part of a network who were sending money outside, just like ayyan ali was doing. dont think all of it belonged to that guy alone.

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I have little hope but let see if some big fish is caught as result of further investigations.

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Hazoor e wa’la
Malik Riaz ki dastan likhtay likhtay umer ho gai
Na siraf jana balkeh bhugta bhi
Before Raheel and Ch Nisar he was the real boss

The King maker - Malik Riaz