It’s been always a Taboo, in my home anyway, for guys to have long hair.
I always considered it to be something inherited by the military history of my family but it turns out that it has religious grounds.
Anyway, I just wanted to open up a topic here to see if it has any cultural significance. And if so, then where did this notion come from?
Ahmad, in almost all cultures hair are associated wid wild nature, aggressive sexuality, man's virility and a wild state of mind...hairiness is a prominent feature of animals. And animals lives in a wild state outside society, which also explains why long hair is found on intellectuals, hippies, or others who live in a state of mind outside or in rebellion against a controlling or social regime. And short hair(military cut) or shaved head are used to express the idea of subordination, idea of living in a society in subordination to a disciplinary regime....
There is beautiful book named "Medusa's Hair" written by Gananath Obeyesekere in which he flirted wid Past, Present, panhuman psychological and psychobiological theories and symbolism attatched wid head hair in order to understand the meaning of long matted hair of srilankan female ecstaics....
And you will find it amazing that the most of the theories and symbolism(* past n present*) he dealt wid in this book is somehow linked wid man's sexuality......in most of the cultures the symbolic notions associated wid head hair, the human head is likened to a penis, head hair are likened to semen, long hair are expressive of sexualality unharnessed, short or tightly bound hair is expressive of sexual restraint and shaving of head on ritual occasions expresses the idea of celibacy or castration......:)
so next time when u go for a hair cut keep all that in mind that wid your hair style wot kind of personal statment u r conveying to others:--)
Ciao
Naik
ps> queer n Roman, SHUT UP!
Naik jee...To huseeno-n ke lambe lambe baloo-n ka mutlub... chhooriye... jaane dijiye...
Hume to loot liya mil ke husn waloo-n nay
gore gore galoo-n ne, kaale kaale baloon ne
Teri zulfoon say reha-ee to nahi maangee thee
Quaid maangee thee Khud-ee to nahi maange thee
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Naik,
If long hair are considered a symbol or rebellion or sexual aggressiveness what are your thoughts on having no hair at all? Not shaving it as a choice but not having it as of in baldness. I mean, how do bald men are suppose to show their rebellion or aggressiveness, if they may chose to do so?
Is the notion the opposite for the women? Having short hair, for a woman, is in some ways a symbol?
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Ahmad, in almost all cultures hair are associated wid wild nature, aggressive sexuality, man’s virility and a wild state of mind…hairiness is a prominent feature of animals. And animals lives in a wild state outside society, which also explains why long hair is found on intellectuals, hippies, or others who live in a state of mind outside or in rebellion against a controlling or social regime. And short hair(military cut) or shaved head are used to express the idea of subordination, idea of living in a society in subordination to a disciplinary regime…
Naik
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Never belive an Indian Hindu(or sri Lankan) writing about Greek mythology Godess Medusa.let them stick to kamshutra
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Kamashutra is the 3rd grade porNographic book which would never sell in the west had it not been for over populated 1 bn indians.
When Freud the father of all psychologist & oedipus Complex is suspect in his theory ,this Gananath ,never heard of some guy from back road of indiaor Sri Lanka, got some book printed ,may be spending his own money becomes naiks GURU .
Naik shorter post plz.
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Tanhaa bhaijaan, shair bi kabhi kabhi khoob baat ker jate hein…like a shair says…
“She knows her man, and when you rant and swear
Can draw u to her wid a single hair”
or…
“Fair tresses man’s imperial race insnare,
and beauty draws us wid a single hair”
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I mean, how do bald men are suppose to show their rebellion or aggressiveness, if they may chose to do so?
Ahmad, in “Much Ado About Nothing” Beatrice says, “He that hath a beard is more than a youth, and he that hath no beard is less than
a man”
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and about the symbolism associated wid female hair, yes there is a slight difference…in female hair has been a ultimate token of femininity…woman’s crowning glory…the strength of her femininity…like in the quotes above the poet is telling us about the fraility of a single hair and yet its power to move males’ desire n luv:–)
and af for as short hair are concerned, that is a very recent concept…a byproduct of feminism, women challanaging men by cutting their hair short…
in some parts of the world it is accompanied wid the idea of homosexuality and sign of female masculinity but in most cases it has been a statement of egalitarianism wid men…
Munnay bhaijaan, if i am not wrong, with one of your nicks you claimed somewhere to be a humanities student. I am not sure if it was this nick or some other but its quiet surprising that u r not familiar wid this book. This book is used as a text not only
in courses like anthro of body but also in anthro of religion…and i am sure some other humanitarian diciplines must be using it as their text too…
anyways aap jaao galli mein gulli danda khelo ya kamasutra parho ya dekho…wesay kamasutra is used as a text in anthro of sexuality:–P
Wah Wah Naik behn , bohut khoob.
in my college days, I was always fond of English prose and Urdu poetry. But yes there were exceptions. Here is something that comes to my mind..
"Thy hue, dear pledge, is pure and bright
As in that well - remember'd night
When first thy mystic braid was wove,
And first my Agnes whisper'd love."
-----Sir Walter Scott
Then there is a poem on Amarantha's hair by Lovelace
Amarantha sweet and fair
Ah braid no more that shining hair
As my curious hand or eye
hoveing round thee, let it fly
.... etc.
This is fun. Thanks
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Ahmad, in almost all cultures hair are associated wid wild nature, aggressive sexuality, man’s virility and a wild state of mind…hairiness is a prominent feature of animals. And animals lives in a wild state outside society, which also explains why long hair is found on intellectuals, hippies, or others who live in a state of mind outside or in rebellion against a controlling or social regime. And short hair(military cut) or shaved head are used to express the idea of subordination, idea of living in a society in subordination to a disciplinary regime…
There is beautiful book named “Medusa’s Hair” written by Gananath Obeyesekere in which he flirted wid Past, Present, panhuman psychological and psychobiological theories and symbolism attatched wid head hair in order to understand the meaning of long matted hair of srilankan female ecstaics…
And you will find it amazing that the most of the theories and symbolism(* past n present*) he dealt wid in this book is somehow linked wid man’s sexuality…in most of the cultures the symbolic notions associated wid head hair, the human head is likened to a penis, head hair are likened to semen, long hair are expressive of sexualality unharnessed, short or tightly bound hair is expressive of sexual restraint and shaving of head on ritual occasions expresses the idea of celibacy or castration…
so next time when u go for a hair cut keep all that in mind that wid your hair style wot kind of personal statment u r conveying to others:–)
Ciao
Naik
ps> queer n Roman, SHUT UP!
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Not so (inNocent)Naik LArki(britney)
‘Qasam paida karne walon ke’
Tum to bolly wood ke heroine ke tarah hum larkon ko pehle daante ho ,phir pyar karte ho
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Madame,baat chote se hote aur aap “lecture” pe utter aate haine ‘sexuality’
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…in most of the cultures the symbolic notions associated wid head hair, the human head is likened to a penis, head hair are likened to semen, long hair are expressive of sexualality unharnessed, short or tightly bound hair is expressive of sexual restraint and shaving of head on ritual occasions expresses the idea of celibacy or castration…
Allah,baat kahan se kahan tak pahunch gaye ..
Khamoshi mere mane khaiz thi magar
Jis ne chaha jaisa afsana bana dala
Naiko .tumhe bukhar to nahi hai?
I just read your post onCulture --You are recommending me not to “lecture” ..
You are lecturing to include 'galli ’ in literature of all languages.
but madame 'galli ek alag apna hi 'literature hai kyon ke zaban koi bhi ho ,galli EK hi hote hai
And why should i listen to a moron indian Gananath ,who seems to be a cheat & plagarist himself like most copy cat indians (i know hyderabad is india)
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If you talk about female sexuality learn from URDU poetry
Chaudvin ka chaand ho ya aaftab ho …
aa.nchal me.n sajaa lenaa kaliyaa.N, zulfo.n me.n sitaare bhar lenaa
So rethink all that
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notions associated wid head hair, the human head is likened to a penis, head hair are likened to semen, long hair are expressive of sexualality unharnessed, short or tightly bound hair is expressive of sexual restraint and shaving of head on ritual occasions expresses the idea of celibacy or castration…
FYI some of the mopst desired men Tom Cruise in top gun,Brad Pitt in Fight Club, & me sport very sharp cut hair !
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I mean, how do bald men are suppose to show their rebellion or aggressiveness, if they may chose to do so?<<<
They use a wig jinab.
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It can be of different types - a useful one is money wig that makes the ‘some’ others to completely forget about the baldness. Some young actors/actresses marrying three times old people than their age is an example of this kind of wig.
thoRa difference yeh hai kay yeh wig unkay sur kay bajaye aqal par hoti hai
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"Thy hue, dear pledge, is pure and bright
As in that well - remember'd night
When first thy mystic braid was wove,
And first my Agnes whisper'd love."
-----Sir Walter Scott
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Thanks for quoting Sir Walter Scott. mujhay abhi tak khood yeh nahiN maloom kay yeh sahib shair thay ya sailor or both. I am saying that because there is a boat dedicated to his name in Loch Katrine that takes people around the lake.
Naik,
Thank you for you input. So if I get this right, those with long rebellious hair and a beard are the ones who are most masculine?
Usually the above feature match the Alabama football team fans, half of them are Road Runners or Red Necks.
Anyway, do you have any other ideas about what symbolism there is for a woman to be rebellious? If short hairs not necessarily do the trick!
Oh and what about the Africans who can't have long silky hair?! If they keep 'em long it will be more so of a bee hide then something masculine? Should they stick to beard, if they can grow some?
Khan Bhai,
I would day Wig is a cheap way of showing one’s youthfulness. Its kinda like those who do plastic surgery and get the skin from you know where, and put it on their face!
Based on personal experience I have to admit that balding guys are not necessarily any less virile…I mean rebellious…than those with long tresses.
Naik, aap nay text book khatam bhi kar dali kiya?
Naik ji, kitay eh sara kujh tusiN saada dil rakhan lai te nai keh rahe?
Naik ji, kitay eh sara kujh tusiN saada dil rakhan lai te nai keh rahe?
aho, jay aiho jaee gal tay aj tooN shave tay haircutting band. Total rebellious.
PS. Chann horaaN nooN waisay aidee koi mainat naee karni painee.
FYI. Please abide by the guidelines of this BB. There is a place called the Cornor Room, where you may discuss topics that are more mature in theme. Thanks.
is likened to a penis, head hair are likened to semen, long hair are expressive of sexualality unharnessed, short or tightly bound hair is expressive of sexual restraint and shaving of head on ritual occasions expresses the idea of celibacy or castration......:)
is likened to a penis, head hair are likened to semen, long hair are expressive of sexualality unharnessed, short or tightly bound hair is expressive of sexual restraint and shaving of head on ritual occasions expresses the idea of celibacy or castration......:)
is likened to a penis, head hair are likened to semen, long hair are expressive of sexualality unharnessed, short or tightly bound hair is expressive of sexual restraint and shaving of head on ritual occasions expresses the idea of celibacy or castration......:)
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…and I was sure it was a CAT on heat…hmmmm
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Abh yeh kiya ho giya?! Cat-Woman and Naik —> same?!!
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“kaisay na karta usko main pyar, uski haseen main sukh thay hazaar, bichar gayay hum dukh ki hay baat”
Ahmad bhaijaan, thro dust on this cross-cultural symbolism associated with haid hair...stick wid desi n islamic one......grow your beard n hair coz its sunnat-e-rasool....
and women's rebellion is not allowed in islam....make ur women cover their head completely so they can't tempt masoom men n shairs with their fine tresses....ho sake tou un ki tindein hi kara du....yea sar ke baal fasaad ki jaR heiN....
FYI bhaijaan, **aghhhhhhh wot a moron* aap ko yea batana ke aap kitne baRe idiot ho, khud apne hi sar ko deewar se bang kerne ke matraadaf hei....is liay mein aap ko aisa kuch nai bataoon gi....bus yeh bata dijiay...jaan choRne ke pesay lein ge ya free mein hi mughrooN ull jayein ge?
Roman, mein ne wo book tou khatam ker ke nai bi shiroo ker li, aap abhi tak ussi pe bethay hein? baRe slow reader hein ji aap....
Chan Ji, tuhadi khushi sanoon jaan toon pyaari ay....bus tussi khush rovo....kissay tarah vi sai:--)
Tanhaa bhai jaan, 16th aur 17th century ke shairoon ne buht kuch likha hei apni mehboobaoon ki fine tresses pe...per chaliye poetry mein poetry discuss kerte hein....
Not so Naik .
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There is Not a single word in your post that you have not used about me before.But that is nothing .You dont know me except as light hearted quiet minding his own business.Many girls like you deken hai meine ne Bangal se leker South tak Punjab (not potwari west but indian)se maharashtra & gujju tak
You amateur ,kuwein ke medak aakhir kuwein ke medak hi ho
Your post is there till you delete proof of every word that i have talked about .If you want to sell your good name & then blame me ,im not going to take it .For once take responsibility for your own behaviour
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May be Roman,Queer,& others can tolerate you but not me .Yes i give lecture & im not going to stop just b/c you have read few indian hindus 2nd hand plagarised unoriginal ideas book.
You are going from frying pan to fire.
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There is nothing i want you do ,but i find your behaviour un asian & i m not even caring whether you are gujju or tamil or oriya .So dont feel that im adressing you as muslim .
If you dont care for beard or mulah moulvi you dont have to be muslim Dont you know koran says “there is no compulsion in religion”
You make it appear we are hurt by your behaviour ,no not me ,
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you make your own future & there is nothing i gain by what you do for yourself or for your society.You called me idiot ,i smiled
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,you called me other names moron
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Did i ever call you anything before you started behaving bizerk???I just quoted your stupid amateur attempt sexual psychology & quakery in the name of science
Woh afsaana jise anjaam tak, laana na ho mumkin
Use ek KHoobsoorat moR dekar, chhoRna achha
Bhaijaan, thank you very much for the imaan afrooz, heart warming and enlightening sermon you delivered. It not only touched the very inner core of my heart, but also opened my un-asian eyes and filled them with
tears...(can i have ur hanky to wipe these tears off?)...
Now go work on the next sermon and make sure to write it in a more readable and understandable language....have some mercy on this jahil soul...I in the mean time will go read the next few chapters of my text book written by this lowlife palgarist hindu so i cud enlighten my masses too....
Ciao
Aap ki Naik
ps> and please have some mercy on ur poor head and stop worry too much about my ethnicity, race, religionn nationality ....i am not gujju, oriyan, hydro, keralite, punjabi n blah blah...i am actually a japaani model(200%) in disguise....