This is what every1 knew but not willing to accept.
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Decades of British and American intervention in the oil-rich Middle East motivated the London bombers, Ken Livingstone has suggested.
The London mayor told BBC News he had no sympathy with the bombers and he opposed all violence.
But he argued that the attacks would not have happened had Western powers left Arab nations free to decide their own affairs after World War I. Instead, they had often supported unsavoury governments in the region.
everyone knows the policies of the US and UK is all about money and greed and they did'nt think of the consequences as bush said few weeks ago its a price worth paying, we will see how long he will keep with that line!
Personally it is good that this issue has been highlighted now everybody is focusing on the foriegn policies of amerikka and Britain as the roots cause of these problems.
How come all of our UK and US goras and coconuts absent from this thread? Is it something in the words of Livingstone that some of us msulims have been saying for years and goras do not want to accept that as a reality? Come on guys give us your point of view. At least do what Michael Savage did " Livingstone is a commi, he hates briton, I hope they slit his throat". "All muslism must be interned starting now".
No, Michael Savage can kiss my arse too. But I'm not buying into any theory that attempts to justify terror attacks. Because we can then have advocates for over 100 different countries that could have some beef from the past and start blowing up pizza parlors all over the world.
Really seminole so you will rather believe the crap "they hate our freedom and way of life" then to try to pinpoint the reasons that fuel the anger? Nice going, yep we should keep on meddling in other nation's internal affairs and should accept the people to take it just because it came from us. Come on now, I know you are much smarter than that. Every action US takes related to foreign policy it has consequences, if you keep on doing the same thing over and over again (in the meantime, keep the average american clueless as to what is being done in their name) you will see people willing to give up their lives to hurt you. You see one of the reasons these terrorist are able to recruit people is to show them that world does not care abou them, they can cite examples of US behavior, foreign policy, helping and supporting dictators (Saudi, Pak) when convinient and clamoring freedom and liberation to the world. It simply does not work, and will never work unless the west (in general) learn to think before meddling in internal affairs of other countries.
Kaleem, I was totally against the invasion of Iraq, the election of this president and the re-election of this president. Back in 2000 I was very scared where the international policies of a potential Baby Bush president would take us. My worst fears have been realized. But when in the history of the world has a lesser power (as there have always been wars and there has always been powerful, influential nations exerting their influence) started blowing up innocent civilians to strike terror within a population to get governments to change policy? Is that sunnah? Well if it is, it's not warfare - it's terrorism and that will NEVER be an accpetable method of influencing foreign policy. If this type of activity is legitmized, there would be suicide bombers going off in every town, in every western nation, everyday, by someone who had a beef with their foreign policy, past or present.
Kaleem I think we agree with you but Livingstone seems to simplify past polices and use use them as the cause of these attacks, i don't think it's that simple nor a fair.
A post of mine taken from an older thread...
Defeating terrorism takes a multi-prong approach, military force is only one of those prongs. Why these terror organizations have support must to be examined. As Prism pointed out in another thread the hatred of Israel is used by many Islamic terror organizations as a recruiting tool so a policy to eliminate that hatred is necessary, ie: supporting the creation of a Palestine state and thus helping remove the Israel hatred recruitment tool. While these terror organizations use such tools that might be of (semi)popular thought the core foundation of these groups can not be dealt with diplomatically as they stand for means by violence, hence there use of terror. Remove the broad recruitment tools and these terror organizations based on violence and hate will dissipate and weaken.
^ no as this guy Ken Kivingstone pointed out amerikka created the frankeinstien monster called Al CIAda they created it, funded it and nurturted it into a killing machine when the russians where whupped this frankenstien has now turned on its creator!
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Yeah, and the people who blame US for having bases in Saudi Arabia for Islamists slamming jumbo jets into skyscrapers can kiss my arse too.
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Seminole, no one is going to kiss your arse, but you are one really sensitive, and from what I have read quite a bigoted soul as well.
Well then I will take that as a compliment since every thing else you post is pretty much opposite to my thinking and totally wrong, there’s no reason to think this view isn’t as well.
Will the West explotive foriegn policies change will they hell, the arrogance of the west is so blatant that even after such events they continue to occupy and exploit lands like iraq, and choose to blame others instead of looking at their actions including illegally occupying iraq in the first place and now looking at the chaos in Iraq anyone can see what a complete mess they have made of it!
Interesting that the guy would go all the way back to WWI. Ever wonder what the Middle East would look like today if western democracies had not interceded to bring stability to the area after the fall of the Ottoman Empire? Livingston may have a point. The Arabs might still be traveling on camels wondering why they can’t get clean by bathing in their vast resources of black water. They might be trying to get their black water out of the ground by having their slaves suck it out with plastic tubes. Syria, Lebanon and Jordan would likely not be independent countries that we’d have to worry about at all. The islamic fundamentalists probably wouldn’t know what an airplane was much less figure out how to highjack and fly one.
