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Originally posted by CM:
I am relatively new to gupshup, but i have caused a stir in the political section.
I am going on vacation in around a weeks time but come August i will be full time praticipating on this board.
And by that time logical i will have studied my religion into great depth by then and will be a huge pain in the ass when it comes to you and islam.
So logical and Rani i will not stand for crap on islam come August.
Till them have a good summer vacation.
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u should thank logical and rani since, without them, u would have never studied religion.
happy studying religion, also do a umra before coming back.
What was that? A threat?
I know one can often lose control in an argument and pass personal comments, but does that also validate person-bashing threads?
CM, your crash-course in religion is of no use because the results are pre-determined. You have pre-supposed the truth of the religion of your parents, and have destined your religious studies to make you a pain in the ass. This renders your religious studies useless and unneeded.
Nobody is afraid of the Stir you have caused in the political section. Do what you will. Nobody's scared of your threat.
Dear Rani and Logical,
I would humbly request both of you to practice restraint. Please don't retaliate. Ignore this thread and this person. He doesn't deserve attention.
And CM, other than a deep study in religion, you also need a deep study in English Grammer.
.....So they turned away from him and said, '' A man tutored, possessed! ''
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Paagal Insaan!
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Sir,
First of all, it was not me who called you a pain in the ass. You yourself did that:
CM
Senior Member
Posts: 182 posted June 25, 2000 02:17 PM
And by that time logical i will have studied my religion into great depth by then and will be a huge pain in the ass when it comes to you and islam.
And after that I would throw your question back at you:
one question are you freaking crazy????
As for the second portion of you message, I certainly have no intention of disregarding you faulty assumptions.
Look every pre-supposes that their
religion is the true. That is the bloody
meaning of faith.
Thank you for making a clear debatable statement. I will hereby negate your opinion through the Koran, and show you that pre-supposition is infact against the faith.
--- Presupposition of the truth of the Parents' religion is against the faith in Allah and Koran:
When it is said to them: "Follow what Allah hath revealed" they say: "Nay! we shall follow the ways of our fathers." What! even though their fathers were void of wisdom and guidance?
(Chapter 2, The Cow, verse 170)
When they are told to follow the (revelation) that Allah has sent down they say: "Nay we shall follow the ways that we found our fathers (following)."
(Chapter 31, Lokman, verse 21)
--- Presupposition of the truth of the Parents' religion causes shameful deeds:
When they do aught that is shameful they say: "We found our fathers doing so"; and "Allah commanded us thus": say: "Nay Allah never commands what is shameful: do ye say of Allah what ye know not?"
(Chapter 7, The Battlements, verse 28)
--- Presupposition of the truth of the Parents' religion caused the denial of Prophet Mohammad:
When it is said to them: "Come to what Allah hath revealed; come to the Apostle": they say: "Enough for us are the ways we found our fathers following." What! even though their fathers were void of knowledge and guidance?
(Chapter 5, The table, verse 104)
Nay! they say: "We found Our fathers following a certain religion and We do guide ourselves by their footsteps."
(Chapter 43, Ornaments, verse 22)
--- Presupposition of the truth of the Parents' religion caused the denial of Prophet Hood:
They said: "Comest thou to us that we may worship Allah alone and give up the cult of our fathers?
(Chapter 7, The Battlements, verse 70)
--- Presupposition of the truth of the Parents' religion caused the denial of Prophet Moses:
They said: "Hast thou come to us to turn us a way from the ways We found our fathers following in order that thou and thy brother may have greatness in the land?
(Chapter 10, Jonah, verse 78)
--- Presupposition of the truth of the Parents' religion caused the denial of Prophet Salih:
They said: "O Salih! thou hast been of us! a center of our hopes hitherto! Dost thou (now) forbid us the worship of what our fathers worshipped?
(Chapter 11, Hood, verse 62)
--- Presupposition of the truth of the Parents' religion caused the denial of Prophet Shuaib:
They said: "Oh Shuaib! does thy (religion of) prayer command thee that we leave off the worship which our fathers practiced
(Chapter 11, Hood, verse 87)
--- Presupposition of the truth of the Parents' religion caused the denial of Prophet Abraham:
They said: "Nay but we found our fathers doing thus (what we do)."
(Chapter 26, Poets, verse 74)
--- Presupposition of the truth of the Parents' religion caused the denial of all Prophets:
They said: "Ah! ye are no more than human like ourselves! Ye wish to turn us away from the (gods) our fathers used to worship:
(Chapter 14, Abraham, verse 10)
When Our Clear Signs are rehearsed to them they say "This is only a man who wishes to hinder you from the (worship) which your fathers practiced."
(Chapter 34, Sheba, verse 43)
Just in the same way whenever We sent a Warner before thee to any people the wealthy ones among them said: "We found Our fathers following a certain religion and We will certainly follow in their footsteps."
(Chapter 43, Ornaments, verse 23)
--- Those who presuppose the truth of their Parents' religion will end up in Hell:
Then shall their return be to the (Blazing) Fire. Truly they found their fathers on the wrong Path; So they (too) were rushed down on their footsteps!
(Chapter 37, The Rangers, verses 68, 69, 70)
Dear, CM, the koran has reminded us over and over again that those who presuppose the truth of their parents' religion, without personal research, are always in error.
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that i have lived in 5 countries over the 18 years i have been alive and visited more than 55<<<
CM - is your dad with PIA or something? Stop giving yourself so much importance, there are folks here who do 55 countries in a day. You should know that most here don’t take you seriously and make fun of you, which you don’t understand. But there is hope.
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Instead of laughing at my joke, you are giving me a lecture? CM, this is exactly where your problem lies. Learn to take snotty remarks with bravismo and add a little more spice to them to give back.
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CM yar, girl liking you is no joke.. that is serious stuff man… I will explain my joke to you tomorrow.. its time to get going… see you tomorrow.. and where is my buddy malik? I kinda miss him.. honest.
Yara NYA,
Perfect answer. Exactly what i would advise this fellow.
ps1.we hafta meet the next time i'm in the states or u r in europe.
ps2. malik here too.
Well first time for everyting! I’m here and alive - I missed you too Ahmadi bhai? About CM - he may be a nut? a crackpot? or deranged? BUT he is no lier! - if he says he’s been to 50 countries, then he has - you can usually tell from the huge knowledge he has off world politics (and plus I know him a little better)
I’ve shied away from this forum before, not because of lack of knowledge but from being uneasy at somehow criticising other faiths. - I think one should be able to discuss one’s own faith without constantly crticising others?
But I’m willing to learn?
This is cool…
Pathwari Bhrawa, I am planning to come visit you for a weekend in Sept.. Is Malik in NL also? If he is then I will be happy to have a few with him. Let me know when you plan to come to NY. All you guys can come and stay with me. We have an extra bedroom, and also a basement. I can put upto 3 people at home. CM, are you coming to NY. You must let me know, we will hook up.
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