Log in How Pakistan Lost Its Sovereignty-Time Line

A nice summary of what brought us to where we are.

How Pakistan Lost Its Sovereignty | pkpolitics.com

By M. Ziauddin

Pakistan lost economic sovereignty bit by bit over a period of 62 years.
Pakistan lost it:

-When immediately after independence, in September 1947, Quaid-e-Azam sought $2 billion economic assistance from United States.

-When Prime Minister liaquat Ali Khan and Prime Minister Khawaja Nazim uddin renewed the request,- particularly when the letter by Liaquat Ali was delivered to the State Department two days after his assassination.

-When, in 1952, Pakistan imported one million tons of wheat from the United States and transported it from the port on camel carts, with “Thank you America” hanging from the necks of the camels.
(India had earlier imported two million tons of wheat, at much better terms but made no such show of American philanthropy.)

-When Foreign Minister Zafar ullah Khan led Pakistan into SEATO without cabinet approval and Prime Minister Mohammad Ali Bogra complained to the Secretary of State, Foster Dulles that the amount of aid offered was not commensurate with the risk taken by Pakistan.
“I thought that Pakistan was joining for ideological reasons and not for certain amount of US dollars,” Dulles curtly told the Prime Minister of Pakistan.

-When as Commander-in-Chief, General Mohammad Ayub Khan discreetly negotiated leasing of Badbair base near Peshawar to the US and even the Air Chief Asghar Khan was not taken into confidence.
No agreement was signed, no exchange of notes took place.
“I have the honor to propose that this note and Your Excellency’s note in reply ( sent the same day) to that effect shall constitute an agreement between two governments,” Foreign Minister Manzoor Qadir said in a letter to the US ambassador, dated July 29, 1959 conveying Pakistan government’s consent to provide ten years lease of the facility. (See annexure)

  • When few years later Ayub sought to renegotiate the basing facility triggering a crisis whose magnitude has remained hidden from the people of the “ostrich state,” till to-date.

-When at the height of tension on the Badbair facility, the U.S. Ambassador William McConaughy wrote to President Johnson:” I give not one fig for Pakistan except as its interests are ours.”

-When Ayub told McConaughy that: ”Pakistan would be willing if necessary to be a U.S. satellite if it protects Pakistan from India but would never agree to be an Indian satellite.”

-When Pakistan sought a loan from the United States and the U.S. National Security Advisor forwarded it to President Johnson with remarks: “Here is another gimme. What Can I do if I am responsible for half the beggars in the world?”

-When in 1978, Citi Bank refused to accept Pakistan government’s sovereign guarantee for $300 million loan and advised that government of Iran should underwrite it.

-When Zia-ul-haq set up Zakat fund, with seed money of $200 million from Saudi Arabia and United Arab Emirate (UAE).
-When in 1979, Chief of President Carter’s nuclear task force Gerard Smith told Agha Shahi: ”You are entering the valley of death,” but at the first prospect of resumption of the US aid after the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, Zia asked the U.S. National Security Advisor, Peter McPherson” Why do n’t you ask for bases in Pakistan?”

-When in 1982 the US doled $3.02 billion to Pakistan over the next five years by way of economic and military aid in return for our help in its war against the USSR in Afghanistan.

-When in 1989, U.S. Senator John Glenn called for linking USAID to Pakistan’s nuclear program and said:” Where in the region do we have the greatest influence?….Pakistan is world’s third largest recipient of United States economic and military aid, which strengthens our potential diplomatic leverage should we decide to exercise it. Our direct bilateral aid to India is token by comparison.”

-When Pakistan was humiliated by world economic sanctions first because of Kargil to be followed by nuclear testing and then the October 1999 military takeover. In fact by the end of the decade of 1990s Pakistan had become the most sanctioned country after Libya.

  • When it begged and received nine debt relief agreements—two soon after Bhutto took over, then once soon after General Zia came to power to be followed by another one soon after his death. And twice during the decade of 1990s before the sanctions were imposed. And twice during Musharraf’s regime—once in 2000 ( a very stingy one) and next in late 2002 ( a most generous one to date).

-When Finance Minister Shaukat Aziz told the head of a donor country’s delegation at the Paris Club meeting in 2002 that he would not be able to go back if Pakistan did not get the debt relief.

  • When Musharraf begged and received at least about $12 billion in hard cash from the US of which he spent $8 billion on purchasing armament for defense against India. Of the rest $4 billion nobody knows what happened.

-When the US recently agreed to dole out to Pakistan $1.5 billion in economic assistance annually over the next five years. This is in addition to about a billion dollar it is expected to get annually by way of military assistance as well as by way of compensation for fighting America’s proxy war against Taliban.
It was in the military regime of General Zia that 1987 the current expenditure exceeded total domestic revenue ( in 1987-88) and a part of the current expenditure was also financed by borrowing.
Again it was at the end of 11 –years of military rule that for the time (1989-90)t in Pakistan’s history debt repayment came first in the federal budget relegating defense and development to the second and third positions.)
It came to the lot of Zia’s military government to negotiate Pakistan’s first standby loan and request a medium-term package. IMF procrastinated and it was only in 1982 after the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan that Pakistan was granted a medium-term package, which was abandoned after the first tranche because by that time Pakistan had started getting the unencumbered US five-year aid package.

The subsequent three packages were concluded with IMF during 1988-99 but it can not be a coincidence that all three packages were negotiated by unelected governments while their implementation became the lot of the elected governments.

The first package was negotiated by caretaker Finance Minister late Dr. Mahboob-ul-haq but signed by Benazir government on December 28, 1988.

The second package was negotiated by the caretaker government of Moin Qureshi but signed by second Benazir Bhutto government in April 1994.
Shahid Javed Burki, caretaker Finance Minister in Meraj Khalid government negotiated the third package, signed by second Nawaz government in 1997.
When the medium-term Extended Fund Facility (EFF) was negotiated in October 1997, several finance ministry officials were aghast at some of the IMF conditions agreed by Pakistan. It was said jokingly that the Pakistani team had negotiated with Pakistan, on behalf of IMF rather than vice versa.

The package was disrupted when in May 1998 Pakistan carried out nuclear tests and an embargo on aid was imposed.

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So is the point now that partition was a blunder I guess?

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I think we'd be as corrupt as united India as living in a separate country. :)

Meaning something is genetically or culturally wrong with people of pakistan?

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Its possible, specially culturally. We haven't governed ourselves for centuries... Maybe forgot how to do that.

That's the easy way out. Other countries avoided these pitfalls post-colonisation. India, South Korea, Malaysia, Indonesia, etc.

Interestingly, the article in the opening post offers lots of criticism, but doesn't once say what should have been done instead and what the consequences of that would have been.

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India, South Korea, Malaysia, Indonesia etc were all 'nations' when they became independent. We still need to become one. Long way to go.

I think the message in the article was that it was dependence on USA from the day of independence from UK that has brought us here. Maybe we should not have done so or should have taken care of 'national interests' more than our individual interests when negotiating with USA. Was there another way?

I dont know.... I am confused.

The article also doesn't state specifically how national interest were harmed by the relationship with the USA. It keeps hinting that Pakistan was being indebted to the USA but then doesn't bring out a single example of a situation where Pakistan acted in such a way that there was no benefit to Pakistan, solely at the behest of the USA.

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My guess is the article is written by a frustrated jamati upset that the right wing religious agenda has been exposed as a fraud by pakistanis. So naturally something must be wrong with pakistan.

Dare I say that PK politics posts some of the most dimwit articles about Pakistan. And this one by Ziauddin is no different.

Off course some people will continue making the "main na maanoo" parrot like statements.

But for those who still want to learn, here is the REAL history.

Back in 1947, the world had two major clubs aka American Club, and Commie club. And the countries in our neighborhood joined one of these clubs.

----Pakistan joined the American club (the most consistent member)
----India joined the Commie club (Did a shameless about turn when commie-ism died)
----Afghanis joined Commie club (most of their history and got jootas from both americans and Commies)
----Chinese joined the commie club (did a shameless turn, then had their show-shawlims, and then became shameless "allies" of American especially after commie-ism died)
----Iranians joined American club (did an about turn after the revolution)

----Pakistan got billions of $$ for joining the Americans
----India got billions of rubles for joining commies.
----China got billions of rubles
----Afghanistan got jootas
----Iran got $$$ during Shah and then got jootas.

Time has clearly proven that Pakistani leaders did the correct thing in the 1940s and 1950s, while Indian, Chinese, and Afghanis goofed up big time.

Before some of you crap the thread by saying India had demo-Krazy, just stop there.

This thread is about Pakistani, Indian, Chinese, Afghanis, and Iranian leadership making decisions about joining American club or Commie club. So focus on this topic ONLY.

Thanks to the decisions by Pak leadership "under the given circumstances", Pakistani awam came out MILES ahead economically compared to India, Afghanistan, Iran, and China.

Anyone who has an iota of thinking power left can go on Pak borders and see for himself/herself a simple questions.

  1. Are the Indians living across the Sindh border, 1000 times better. (don't give crap about Bangalore. Just focus on areas ACROSS Pak-India border).

  2. Are the Indians living across the Punjab border have bigger mansions, better schools/colleges, better roads and airports?

  3. Are Chinese living across Pak-China border are 1000,000 better than their Pakistani counterparts.

  4. Are Iranian Balochis living 1,000,000,000 times better than their Pakistani cousins?

  5. And last but not least, Are Afghanis living better than Pakistanis? In Afghano ki to maan hi mer gaeey hai (Allah Maaf keray).

Mind you that in 1947 Indians, Iranians, Chinese had mostly better living conditions than those in Pakistan. These countries had better schools, factories, and ports. So all these countries except Afghanistan had a head-start on Pak. Not only that Pakistan was subjected to utter destruction in the form of millions of refugees.

So if these criticizing apes had a tiny-bit of brain, they would have figured out that Pakistani leadership "under the given circumstances" made the best possible decisions compared to every Tom, Dick, Harry, Khan, Kumar, and Ayatuallh.

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Pkpolitics is Terik-e-Insaaf site , Immi childish propaganda m/c , Immi needs 50 years more to learn about politics !

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I agree with you Burqaposhx... joining the US club was a good idea but to buckle to every American demand is another.

What do you think Pakistan should have done when Russia invaded Afghanistan?

Thank you.

That's sort of false accusation. Had Taliban kept their necks covered and not destroyed Pakistani areas, they would be safe and sound in Pakistan. This would be "regardless" of any demands by the US.

Taliban and Islamists are being hammered by the Pak army BECAUSE they killed our soldiers.

Please don't go with Islamists propaganda on Pak-US relations. Pakistan has stood its ground on many issues even when USA asked Pakistan for help/assistance/listening.

  1. GW-I, Pakistan had 1 brigade of army posted in Saudi. Paks called them back instead of helping USA and its allies. This is all the while when Commie-club members like Syria sent in troops in support of the USA.

  2. Paks didn't take action against Arabs in Pak after 9/11 and held our promises to provide safety and healthcare to the Talibans and Islamists. It was Islamists tribals who broke every treaty, every agreement with Pak government.

  3. Nuclear issue. We have not handed over the ghaddar AQ Khan who brought so much shame to Pakistan.

  4. Paks went under "military sanctions" (and not economic sanctions) over nuclear program.

  5. Paks went under both miltary and economic sanctions on nuclear explosions.

So anyone who says Pak buckles on every whim form the USA is utterly wrong and simply trying to create anti-government feelings and anarchy in Pakistan.

It was good decision to kick the commies. no doubt in it. We should have prepared ourselves for the "after-commie-@rse-is-kicked".

Sad to say this commentator you quoted ......did not mention Pakistan's biggest loss of sovreignity.......................East Pakistan....:(

And on another note........India's total currency at one time in 70's was owned by USA and USA simply wrote it off! and let India start afresh with clean Cashkoal...........:D

***Good analysis All.........but I would not go to extreme of calling AQ Khan Ghaddar.........

if it was not for his efforts.........

we would be speaking Hindi and that extremist Hindu Leader whose ashes were being saved to throw into River Indus...........would have taken place!***

  1. Are the Indians living across the Sindh border, 1000 times better. (don't give crap about Bangalore. Just focus on areas ACROSS Pak-India border).

otherside of sindh border in india is Thar Desert and very less inhabited, you can't compare it
2. Are the Indians living across the Punjab border have bigger mansions, better schools/colleges, better roads and airports?

Punjab has the highest per capita income in india, better than Bangalore

  1. Are Chinese living across Pak-China border are 1000,000 better than their Pakistani counterparts.

  2. Are Iranian Balochis living 1,000,000,000 times better than their Pakistani cousins?

  3. And last but not least, Are Afghanis living better than Pakistanis? In Afghano ki to maan hi mer gaeey hai (Allah Maaf keray).

yes it is true to some degree.

However you can't forcibly keep someone attached who is "unattached" 1000's of miles anyway.

We should have let them go in the 1940s with possibly some kind of "common wealth" arrangements.

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And on another note........India's total currency at one time in 70's was owned by USA and USA simply wrote it off! and let India start afresh with clean Cashkoal...........:D
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Sources???????????

The credit of our nukee bum goes to many scientists who were "real nuclear engineers" and not some nukie-wanna-be-metallurgist.

Let's not make emotional statements just to support one tiny tot. Defense against Hindus takes much more than scaring them with a name like AQK.

Hindus probably pray for AQK 5 times a day, that Mr. K made sure Pakistan becomes a pariah state.

Thanks.

Thats factually incorrect. India was one of the founding members of the Non-Aligned Movement i.e. neither aligned with US nor Russia. However, Russia still supported India since Pak was aligned with US.

Most of what you have written is based on this assumption and is rubbish.

:konfused: Can you substantiate that ?

hahaha.

An Indian + Punjabi jumps on spreading disinformation. and why not! Bharat Matha's false pride is on the line.

Oh bhai, NAM was a front for commie countries.

Indian Phoren policies and Indian military was all stuck with Commies. Billions of rubels were pumped into India by the now-dead commie Soviet union .

Say it ain't so brother!

Not too long ago, Rediff and other Indian newspapers published accounts of Ruski KGB officers who practically owned Dilli.

Why don't you accept the reality that India aligned with Commies until they went to Swarg?

NAM NAM was just a big Sham. Give us some concrete evidence and India supported the cause to kick out Commies from Afghanistan?

The example you provided are from the time we had civilian governments. Can I say that the military governments in Pakistan buckle to American demands? Or, Civilian governments which do not buckle are replaced with more 'favorable' generals?

And do you support Islamists and Jihad if it against commies and not when it is against US?