Usual tactics of Pak army to divert the attention from its wrong doings in Pakistan.
First they call TuQ to destablize the govt, then they get CJ to sack PM and to divert the attention from its kartoots they started this skirmish at the border. Afterall nothing takes away the attention more than a clash with India.
Timing is perfect, it happened right before India was going to give visa on arrival for pakistanis and pakistani players were going to play in india. They knew india will kick them out, keeping the hate alive and hence they stay in business.
Poor hina khar, she dont know what is going on yet she has to cover the real perpetrators.
also explain, why this theory does not apply to Indian army?
arent they happy with status of being one ot the largest army of the world?
^ Indians back to their old ways, they know this is the best time for them as the country is embroiled in ethnic, sectarian insurgencies and political problems. Way to go!
Buddy,
If you are trying to tell me that India is the weaker country (ethnically, politically, militarily) then buddy, I am not sure how to answer you.
I can only request you to log on to ANY neutral website, check any neutral book, and compare for yourself.
India is among the Top Countries economically, trust me, the last thing we want is a troubling country on the border hurting our stride to the top.
India has no reason to fire at Pakistani posts. India does not push jihadis into Pakistan. Pakistani Army and ISI supports, trains, arms the jihadi goats against India. Pak Fauj provides all possible supports including cover firing at Indian positions to push these jihadi goats across Loc.
India Army has no option to fire at these jihadi goats and Pakistani army that provides them cover fire.
There is no scope for peace until Pakistani Army gives up training, arming and supporting *jihadi goats. *End of story.
Peace? What peace? Love? What love? Neighbours? What Neighbours? Business? What business? To hell with everything!!!
Just one incident and someone see this thread how those who were singing peace songs till a few days ago, have taken positiions and started to spew venom against each other once again.
This shows how immature and impulsive people are on both sides of the border.
70 year old grandmother does not cross border carrying AK47, RPG’s. Loc is porous, India will keep on firing on armed illegal intruders from Pakistan. And Pakistan will keep on pushing these goats into india.
Why doesnt Pakistan have barbed wire on their side or border? Why does Indian side have barbed wire??
Becoz India does not push third rate paijama chaap jihadis into your country.
Forget peace till you mend your army and your paltu proxy army/jihadis.
**The question one needs to ask is : "What would India earn by firing at Pakistan"..?
Is India trying to win some Pakistan land and increase it's territory..? To slow Pakistan's economic growth..? What could be the reason..? NONE at all.
Now, Pakistan has more reasons than one to fire at India. Simple as that.
Everyone wants peace, but we also appreciate when someone takes responsibility. Pakistan refused to take responsibity that it's soldiers beheaded the Indian Jawan, that is lame. If you've done it, accept it.. **
Peace? What peace? Love? What love? Neighbours? What Neighbours? Business? What business? To hell with everything!!!
Just one incident and someone see this thread how those who were singing peace songs till a few days ago, have taken positiions and started to spew venom against each other once again.
This shows how immature and impulsive people are on both sides of the border.
Brother,
How do we have peace when someone Beheads a man guarding the Country....?
Fatalities at the Border is nothing new, it is the manner in which you treat each other. I am sure the issue would not have escalated to this point had the Jawans not been treated the way they were. On top of that, nobody takes responsibility. That is like stabbing in the back during a peace process.
How can we expect peace when the Jawans are being beheaded on LOC..? I am sure you'd agree that "Killing" and "Beheading" are two different things altogether.**
**The question one needs to ask is : "What would India earn by firing at Pakistan"..?
Is India trying to win some Pakistan land and increase it's territory..? To slow Pakistan's economic growth..? What could be the reason..? NONE at all.
Now, Pakistan has more reasons than one to fire at India. Simple as that.
Everyone wants peace, but we also appreciate when someone takes responsibility. Pakistan refused to take responsibity that it's soldiers beheaded the Indian Jawan, that is lame. If you've done it, accept it.. **
I think what they gain by firing across the LOC is an ego boost. Your soldiers posted in Kashmir, may not like Pakistanis, and would happily shoot one if they could get away with it. its possible that on that particular day, they offending officer was particularly pissed off, and so decided to fire across the line.
Two of your own news papers have claimed the Indians started the whole thing. Why not admit your fault and move on?
Better yet, if you truly believe that India is legitimately the aggrieved party, then why are you not allowing an independent investigation into the whole thing? A third party would have no stake in either party and if the Pakistani are guilty, it will be found out.
And sure you would believe you own soldiers... But why? What proof have they provided you that they were not the ones who started it all? You believe them only because they are Indian Army? Perhaps this blind faith in the goodness of your Army is your biggest fault.
Brother,
How do we have peace when someone Beheads a man guarding the Country....?
Fatalities at the Border is nothing new, it is the manner in which you treat each other. I am sure the issue would not have escalated to this point had the Jawans not been treated the way they were. On top of that, nobody takes responsibility. That is like stabbing in the back during a peace process.
How can we expect peace when the Jawans are being beheaded on LOC..? I am sure you'd agree that "Killing" and "Beheading" are two different things altogether.**
I agree... But lets have everything made crystal clear. Lets have a non biased third party investigate this issue. What is the harm in that? If Pakistanis are guilty then they will be exposed. You obviously dont trust the Pakistanis, but honestly, do you really think the Pakistanis trust you?
If indeed the Pakistani are guilty, then punish them. Until then, if there is no concrete proof you cant comment on any off this. All your doing is drawing conclusions from your own biased assumptions.
70 year old grandmother does not cross border carrying AK47, RPG's. Loc is porous, India will keep on firing on armed illegal intruders from Pakistan. And Pakistan will keep on pushing these goats into india.
Why doesnt Pakistan have barbed wire on their side or border? Why does Indian side have barbed wire??
Becoz India does not push third rate paijama chaap jihadis into your country.
Forget peace till you mend your army and your paltu proxy army/jihadis.
That makes absolutely no sense. India wants to prevent pakistani Jihadis from getting into Indian occupied Kashmir, so they DONT build a fence?!?!
And then you imply the 70 year old woman got across BECAUSE she wasn't carrying and AK47 RPG? Perhaps the Jihadis should disguise themselves as unarmed 70 year olds to get into Indian occupied Kashmir? And apparently, the threat of a 70 year old woman getting across was great enough that one of your commanders decided to build another post to prevent other grandmother from following her, even if it violated the cease fire.
And I dont think anyone believes there can ever be peace until te Kashmir issue is resolved. Dont pin the issue on Pakistan here. Its India that is occupying Kashmir, and its your Army that has the state under siege. You cant occupy a territory and then claim to be the victim.
I think what they gain by firing across the LOC is an ego boost. Your soldiers posted in Kashmir, may not like Pakistanis, and would happily shoot one if they could get away with it. its possible that on that particular day, they offending officer was particularly pissed off, and so decided to fire across the line.
Two of your own news papers have claimed the Indians started the whole thing. Why not admit your fault and move on?
Better yet, if you truly believe that India is legitimately the aggrieved party, then why are you not allowing an independent investigation into the whole thing? A third party would have no stake in either party and if the Pakistani are guilty, it will be found out.
And sure you would believe you own soldiers... But why? What proof have they provided you that they were not the ones who started it all? You believe them only because they are Indian Army? Perhaps this blind faith in the goodness of your Army is your biggest fault.
As I have mentioned before, I do believe that India initiated the firing this time..
Same as Pakistan did many times before. Firing along the LOC is not news. News is the beheading.
The reason you give for India to initiate the fight is amusing. Come on, this is not school fight. Indian Army wanted an ego boost so they fired along the border. There must have been another reason. I am not sure if you know but there are MANY Terrorist camps along the border in POK.. Are you aware of that..? **
That makes absolutely no sense. India wants to prevent pakistani Jihadis from getting into Indian occupied Kashmir, so they DONT build a fence?!?!
And then you imply the 70 year old woman got across BECAUSE she wasn't carrying and AK47 RPG? Perhaps the Jihadis should disguise themselves as unarmed 70 year olds to get into Indian occupied Kashmir? And apparently, the threat of a 70 year old woman getting across was great enough that one of your commanders decided to build another post to prevent other grandmother from following her, even if it violated the cease fire.
And I dont think anyone believes there can ever be peace until te Kashmir issue is resolved. Dont pin the issue on Pakistan here. Its India that is occupying Kashmir, and its your Army that has the state under siege. You cant occupy a territory and then claim to be the victim.
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India has a signed document from the King of Kashmir willing to be a part of India.
What more do you want as a proof...? **
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India has a signed document from the King of Kashmir willing to be a part of India.
What more do you want as a proof...? **
You really wanted to go down that route? You know number states, I believe Hyderabad was one of them, that joined Pakistan, but India invaded them. You want to vacate those stats that joined Pakistan in 1947?
As I have mentioned before, I do believe that India initiated the firing this time..
Same as Pakistan did many times before. Firing along the LOC is not news. News is the beheading.
The reason you give for India to initiate the fight is amusing. Come on, this is not school fight. Indian Army wanted an ego boost so they fired along the border. There must have been another reason. I am not sure if you know but there are MANY Terrorist camps along the border in POK.. Are you aware of that..? **
Terrorist camps along the border in PK.. I think you are living in the last decade when officially in Pakistan they were called freedom fighters. There are no more training camps along the border. In fact Pakistan is acting as a buffer between terrorist and India presently. Otherwise the number of jihadis who want to explode in India is at least 100 times more than Pakistan. If our security agencies really want to destabilize India.. all they have to do is provide these jihadis with a safe route to India which is not all that difficult for agencies here. We are fighting this menace inside our borders and our forces are losing precious lives on daily basis. I don't think it is in the interest of India to start these silly skirmishes with Pakistan.
There are certain non state entities who do not want to see India Pakistan relationship getting normalized. Whenever such efforts start bearing fruits.. they try to sabotage these initiatives. When Indian policy makers start reacting like this.. they fall right in the trap of these entities. Fear that moment when this terrorism we are facing will spillover the borders.. the situation in Pakistan vis-a-vis terrorism is nothing what India can become. I hope Indian media and policy makers do have brains which are a little more matured than toddlers.. to access the real situation. India has no other alternate to strengthen Pakistan which is the biggest casualty of terrorism in the world to fight this menace.. to avoid becoming a bigger casualty themselves.
India has no reason to fire at Pakistani posts. India does not push jihadis into Pakistan. Pakistani Army and ISI supports, trains, arms the jihadi goats against India. Pak Fauj provides all possible supports including cover firing at Indian positions to push these jihadi goats across Loc.
India Army has no option to fire at these jihadi goats and Pakistani army that provides them cover fire.
There is no scope for peace until Pakistani Army gives up training, arming and supporting *jihadi goats. *End of story.
Proof my friend.. Where is your proof that there were Jihadis trying to infiltrate Occupied kASHMIR and thus forced the Indians to fire? There havent been such incidences for a very long time, yet here you are claiming that is exactly what happened without evwn a shred of evidence to back it up.
Its insane how you give blind support to your army. What other then the fact that they wear Indian uniforms, makes you so certain they were NOT the ones to instigated the entire thing? Until facts are ascertained, your claim is nothing more then the rantings of a blind nationalist.
Well as far as this “beheading” goes, lets have an inquiry from a non biased source. Your govt refuses to allow any third party to investigate what actually went on there. If Pakistan is found guilty, then lets continue the conversation then. until then, you have nothing to argue. The Indian govt has effectively turned this into an entirely speculative debate.
This is the same Army accused of vast human rights vilations in Kashmir aswell..
So do i believe there are incidents of indiscipline among indian ranks?!?! Yes..
I dont know about the current status of the “MANY” Terrorist camps in Azad Kashmir, but the fact is that there has hardly been a militant attack in Occupied kashmir since i dont know when. So how many of the Camps are operational? I dont know, and quite frankly i DONT think you do either beyond speculation and baseless assumption.
Until you can show me on the a map where these camps are, i cannot believe you. Given the drop of in violence in Indian occupied kaSHMIR, there is no logical reason to believe there are MANY camps, other then the ones in your imagination.
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India has a signed document from the King of Kashmir willing to be a part of India.
What more do you want as a proof...? **
Nehru saab said that the acceptance of ruler of Kashmirs accession to india would ultimately hinge on whether or not the people of Kashmir accepted joining India through some sort of referendum. That referendum never took place. The people of Kashmir were forced to accept India.
India also undermined its own credibility on the issue when it decided to capture by force, Hyderabad Deccan, a hindu majority state whos ruler was muslim. The Nawab, unlike the ruler of Kashmir, decided he would not join India, but was not given the same rights accorded to the Ruler of Kashmir to determine the fate of his territory. Hyderabad among a other smaller states were captured by India, despite these states rulers not wanting to join India.
So ultimately, the wishes of the rulers of the states was not a criteria for whether a state would join Pakistan or India.
So,
There seem to be self made history books going around in Pakistan bro.
History means what actually happened brother.. Not what Pakistan wants people to know..
