Load shedding

Summers are setting on and so is the difference between the demand and supply, loadshedding to the tune of 16-20 hours taking place in Punjab and I am sure it would be similar in other provinces too. When will we get rid of this menace?

I remember a time when I visited some country of Africa with my parents and they had loadshedding for hours and hours, and that was something alien for me. I am sure the situation of that country would have improved by now where as we have regressed from stability over the years.

Rioting is taking place these days in different cities of Punjab like Lahore, Faisalabad and Gujranwala etc.

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According to the details, in Daroghawala and Shalimar areas, a large number of people gathered and blocked the road by setting tires on fire. The protesters also forcibly got the shops closed during the protest.A guard at the petrol pump fired upon the mob in a bid to stop them from damaging the facility. One protesters was killed while the other sustained serious injuries. The protesters got further infuriated and set the pump on fire.It may be pertinent to mention that the country a is going through long power cuts owing to short fall of about 5500 MW.

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Don't worry, PPPP has spent 4 years day and night on this problem and will be fixed.

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^ loadshedding I dont know the people have surely been 'fixed' for voting them in.

"democrazy" is the best revenge!

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previous Governments took the better revenge and now the present Govt is taking the BEST revenge. Lets see who is going to win in this war of taking revenge.

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"jiaaaay Bhutooooooooooooooooooo"

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From what I understand, there is no issue with power generation and supply. The PPP govt is simply using this as a weapon against other parties, specially PML-N in punjab. They hold back oil payments to PSO, thus causing oil supply to stop to power plants, and power generation to go down.They stop power supply, and gradually make it worse. When people come out on the streets, they make the payments to PSO, and then have 2 arguments, 1 to belittle PML-N, and 2 to put PPP on a high pedestal.
1. Provinces have been given the right to generate their own power. And PML-N has done nothing to increase power generation in Punjab, hence its a failure.
2. PPP has come to the rescue by giving Punjab additional power from the center.

If you remember, after a horrific months worth of load shedding, Zardari yesterday ordered the resolution of power supply in 48 hours, after people were heavily out on the streets. If you remember, this drama also took place a couple of months back, in the exact same fashion.

This is how the PPP works. Their mantra is, roti, kapra aur makaan. And their principle is to keep these things away from the public, so that they can continue to use them as their slogan in each election.

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The situation is worsening every passing hour. It is a shame that the country is actually speeding downhill. People have been forced to riot. It is a disgraceful act by the security guard to have shot the person. Acting the hero and killing a protestant. The petrol pump was set ablaze nonetheless.

I seriously doubt democracy is the real savior of this country. It is actually a means to loot it further. The elected people see it as a chance to gather all that is possible. I think only a fool would still vote in favor of PPP.

The slogan is a fake roti, kapra aur makaan. There is no sense in it only a way to lure people in believing them their heroes.

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Lies lies and only lies
only establishment
ahhh bloody civilians
the killers kill rental power plants
Raja Pervaiz Ashrafdeserves tamgha-e-isteqlal
others did not let him complete his term
others are also corrupt
worlds dirtiest politician

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If people's party believes that they will only damage PMLN with these tactics they are mistaken, as this will further alienate people with both bigger parties. As far as I know the generation companies are still with federal government, when they stop supply of fuel to them we have loadshedding and when their dues are cleared it goes away. What does this all tell us with the much touted BB's era of IPP's? We have the generation capacity but cannot run the power plants due to non affordability of fuel.

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So that’s why Pathetic Peoples Party asking for next 5 years too
Phir “nah rahay ga baans nah bajay gi bansurai” :cobra:

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Fuel affordability should not be an issue, after the increase in electricity tarrif for the umpteenth time since coming to power. Gas tarrifs are up enormously as well. They always tout the international price of oil as a factor, but Im in the commodities market myself, and know first hand what the commodities prices are, and how they impact countries.....and I can safely say that the current oil prices are not a factor at all. It is simply a political weapon that PPP is using, apart from bleeding the cash resources of the petroleum industry, because they have to make their 10% (or whatever Zardari's current going rate is, seems more like 100%) from somewhere.

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During the past two years alone the electricity prices have gone over 50 % but still no electricity available for the public. From my own experience the cost of electricity in Pakistan at the moment is higher as compared to first world ‘rich’ countries.

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

**Electricity prices have registered more than 50 percent increase in the last two years in comparison with the global rates, said business community of Lahore and urged the government to withdraw oil price hike decision as the ‘oil shock’ is bound to hit economy and masses alike.
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**Lahore Chamber of Commerce and Industry (LCCI) President Irfan Qaiser Sheikh said that petroleum prices were already at the highest level and any further increase would prove the last straw that breaks the camel’s back. The LCCI president said that a comparison between the international oil prices and local prices is enough to make the point that the local prices have registered more than 50 percent increase in the last two years in comparison with the global rates. Therefore, he said, that the government has no justification to make any increase in POL prices.

****Sheikh said that the increase would hit all the sectors of the economy that would jack up inflation and mark-up rates and disturb the entire economic cycle. **He said that to keep the economic cycle well on track, the government would have to shelve the decision to increase oil prices.

The LCCI president said that there was no denying the fact that oil prices were on the rise in the international market but instead of passing on this surge to masses, the government should cut the number of taxes on petroleum products as the fuel is the engine of growth. If the fuel would be heavily taxed the entire economy would suffer and the same happened in Pakistan as the repeated increases in the POL prices had ruined the industrial and economic activities.

He said that only because of high cost of doing business in Pakistan, a large number of industrial units had already shifted their operations to other countries and the recent decision would force more industrialists to follow suit.

The LCCI president said that the entire industrial sector was already facing multiple internal and external challenges and any new increase in POL prices would further aggravate the economic situation.

Pakistan agriculture sector is the engine of growth. The increase in petroleum prices would increase the input cost of agriculture production as high speed diesel is being used in tractors, tube-wells, harvesters, thrashers and other agricultural machinery. He said that the cost of thermal generation by private sector will go up. The LCCI president said that not only the transportation cost of goods would multiply but fares of public transport would also increase manifold.

He said that the government is producing huge amount of electricity through thermal means and after increase in petroleum prices, prices of electricity would touch new highs.

Sheikh said that the LCCI had for the last many months been calling on the concerned government circles to take measures for the promotion of alternate fuels as trade deficit was fast widening due to heavy imports under the head of petroleum products.

He was of the view that the timeline for the increase in the prices of petroleum products was also raising questions because at a time when the whole industry was suffering due to energy crisis and high cost of doing business, the raise in POL prices is bound to give a further blow to the industry. “It seems that it is an attempt to create trouble for the government.”

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The electricity rates in Pakistan are already very high and the ‘awami’ government wants to jack them up further by a whopping Rs 6 per unit.
Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

Power tariff bomb for consumers
Citizens, businessmen, industrialists reject power tariff hike

** Consumers ready for protests against Rs 6.39 per unit hike from May

By Shabbir Sarwar*

LAHORE: While rejecting the single largest increase in power tariff in the history of the country citizens, business community and industrialists have expressed very serious concern over National Electric Power Regulatory Authority’s (NEPRA) decision to increase electricity tariff by Rs 6.39 per unit for months of May, June, July and August in the name of monthly fuel adjustment.

They have termed it as a conspiracy against the government, people and the industry stating they would never accept this decision.

Unfortunately this decision has been taken at a time when the State Bank of Pakistan has already admitted that climate in Pakistan is not conducive for investment due to high input rates. The government is making the operations of even existing industries impossible by jacking up the input cost further, said Lahore Chamber of Commerce and Industry (LCCI) President Irfan Qaiser.

Consumer Rights Council activist Ghulam Murtaza said that electricity consumers were already in a very miserable condition due to scheduled and unscheduled massive load shedding in the city. Under such circumstances unprecedented increase in the power tariff in the history of the country is impossible to bear. There would be massive protests in the country and no one from lower and middle class would accept this decision.

Other consumers including Azhar Mustafa, Saleem Ahmed, Nadeem Ahmed, Arshad Manzoor, Khalid Mirza and Khurram Khawaja also condemned the government for this decision and urged the high-ups to take this decision back.

**It is noteworthy that NEPRA has also approved power tariff increase by Rs 2.22 per unit for October, Rs 1.27 for November, 98 paisas for December and Rs 1.96 for January. The new rates will be applicable from May.

The LCCI president has said that only because of the ongoing energy crisis the country had lost three percent of its gross domestic product (GDP) while it is facing a serious lack of investment from both internal and external fronts for the last four years.** The LCCI president said that the government decision to raise electricity prices is bound to hit investments, manufacturing, exports and trade besides increasing the incidence of electricity pilferage that already is 25 percent of the 22 percent line losses and eating up Rs 50-75 billion.

The LCCI president said that how the industry would remain competitive at such a high price of electricity, which is one of the basic industrial raw materials. We already have the highest tariff in our region as in India, the electricity tariff for industry is 10.5 cents, Bangladesh 10.75 cents and Sri Lanka 10.75 cent whereas in Pakistan tariff is already 15 cents meaning that 45 percent higher as compared to the region. With this proposed massive and unprecedented increase, we will have double the tariff of electricity what the regional countries are offering to their trade and industries leaving Pakistan totally uncompetitive and unviable in the international market place.

Pakistan Industrial and Traders Associations Front (PIAF) Wednesday took a strong exception to the huge increase in electricity tariff and urged the government to withdraw this raise without any further delay. PIAF Chairman Engineer Sohail Lashari termed the NEPRA decision a conspiracy against the government. He said that the unprecedented raise in the electricity rates had put a question mark on the ability of the government to run the affairs of the country.

The PIAF chairman said that at a time when the businesses were in bad shape due to shortage of electricity, a hike in its tariff would push the entire economy to the wall. **He said that it was beyond the understanding of the private sector that for how long the government would continue to rely on expensive thermal power when the country has a huge hydel power potential for decades to come. **He said that the government had failed to make a decision on Kalabagh Dam during the last four years of its tenure and it is very unfortunate for the national economy. The PIAF chairman said that the government should concentrate on building water reservoirs in the country otherwise there would be no buyer of Pakistani merchandise in the international market because of their high price.

Engineer Lashari said that the government should take cue from other regional players to provide an enabling business atmosphere to the business doing people.

The LCCI president said, “The country had already lost a number of international markets to China, Bangladesh and India due to high cost of doing business and the decision to increase power tariff would make the Pakistani goods more uncompetitive.”

He said that the business community was unable to understand that instead of taking measures to control line losses and enhance cheap power generation up to capacity, the policies are being evolved to add to the miseries of the business doing people.

Sheikh said that negative growth witnessed by the large-scale manufacturing sector was indeed an eye opener and a wake up call to the government. He said that the industry needs cheaper electricity to keep the units operational and to complete the export orders well within the given timeframe but only because of the shortage of electricity the exports are not up to the mark.

It is pertinent to mention here that the State Bank of Pakistan in its quarterly report has noted that there has been almost no improvement in the investment component, despite the reduction in the cost of borrowing. The national economy has been facing serious lack of investment from both internal and external front for the last four years. The slashing of the policy interest rate by 2 percent to 12 percent has failed to trigger borrowings from the private sector for expansion.

“The low demand for fixed investment loans is largely due to persistent energy shortages, unfavourable law and order situation and excess capacity in the industrial sector.”

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I know that the loadshedding can finish if the government reduces some shares (from the 10 %) as when they pay the fuel bill the electricity production begins. Thermal production in the long run is not feasible for us as we have to import oil from the international market which is very expensive. For the middle east the most feasible way of generation is oil but for us it would by hydel, and a mix of other commodities which are available from the market. Sadly no planning from the government to end this problem during the past 4 years.

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Dont you dare forget the brilliant rental power plant plan :snooty:

phir kehte ho k inho ne kuch nahi kiya!

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IPP's afford nahin hotay, RPP's laganay challay...

shows the calibre and interest of the awami government to solve the problems the "poor" awam are facing.

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Prime minister orders ending load shedding in 24 hours. This is quite a common thing in our politics now. After a few months load shedding starts, rioting starts, PMLN tries to hijack the riots and then the PM announces ending the load shedding and for the next few days the crisis subsides and after a few days the load shedding starts again.

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nice fantasy but no its not like that.
couple of reasons why this problem will not solve until 2025, technical & non-technical reasons are as such:

technical:

  1. Insufficient installed generating capacity
  2. Transmission system unable to transmit the greater load now imposed upon it
    3 Grid Stations and related equipment unable to carry the load imposed.
  3. Distribution System was built to carry a smaller power and hence unable to cater to existing demands

non technical:

  1. Population, industrial growth & war on terror.
  2. Revolving debt crises which is reaching over 400 bn (Mashallah sey)
  3. over 50% of energy being produced by oil & gas. did you ever bother to look at the oil prices in last three years? no.3 directly related to no.2.
  4. Line loses (24% highest in the world) & electricity theft (17%)? no.4 is also directly related to no.2.
  5. Failure to forecast and plan for the future, when Pakistan economy was growing at the rate of over 7% from 2000 to 2007
  6. No new Transmission/Distribution networks & grid stations setup in first half of last decade.
  7. Unexpectedly rapid growth of load (just look at the figures of electric stuff installation in Pakistan, you will be blown away) - Pakistan electronics market grown annually by 13.3% from last 10 years.

solutions:

  1. wind energy - plants are being built by private sector over 1500 MW of wind energy in the pipelines but they will be online by 2020.
  2. solar energy - a medium term solution, setup small solar power plants near villages where still over 50% of population reside to fulfil there needs, it will require proper planning and quite a lot of funds .. we are talking about 5 to 10 years.
  3. In the long term ..we have to move away from oil/gas towards coal, US (56%) & China (81%) producing from coal respectivily and Pakistan is at pitiful number of 0.79% - we can raise this to 30% if we can found 30$ billion investments in next 15 years.
  4. In next 10 years three huge dams will become part of hydro-generation system . .but then our population & apetite for energy will also two fold.

conclusion, even Pakistan get on the right track today.. the load shedding will not over by 2025 or 2030.

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According to the World bank report (during 2010) the generation of electricity through various means was as follows:

Hydro 29 %
Gas 29 %
Oil 39 %
Nuclear 3 %

Oil and gas caters to about 68 % generation of electricity in Pakistan. The situation now is that we have shortage of gas on the one hand, and the biggest source of generation of electricity in Pakistan is oil which we cant afford (circular debt ).


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correction..

Pathetic Plunderer’s Party…