In Islamic country; If a man and woman do not believe in any religion and want to live togather without doing any nikaah. Under Islamic Law what will be the penality, and why?
Because this is not a rape this is consentual relationship, why the Islamic society has to bother about them?
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There is a widely held misconception in many muslims these days that consentual relationship is not a sin. The reason is the terminology in the English Language. Rape is the crime but is adultery a crime?
Islam defines both as two different punishable sins (both in the judiciary system of world as well as in the hereafter)..
Zina Bil Jabar: is what we call in english as Rape and requires **ONLY **the offender to be punished. That is the reason, Hudood ordinance in Pakistan is regarded as totally unislamic (by all scholars I met) that equates Zina Bil Jabar with the other type of Zina.
Zina Bil Raza: is what is termed as Adultery or Fornication in English. Quran has prescribed punishment for both who commit such a crime.
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^I am talking only about Zina Bil Raza; The two people involved are not hurting the society, God will punish them at the end anyway. Why the state has to involve itself with them.
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24:2] The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment.
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Anwaar Bhai, the two individuals are not Muslims since they don’t believe in any religion. I don’t think it can be called Zina Bil Raza. They should simply fall under the category of Non-Muslims who have to pay a tax in return for the protection provided by the Muslim State - i.e. they are simply zimmies. If they are not taking their acts in the public, then the society shouldn’t care what they do in their personal and “private” lives. Do you think my understanding is correct?
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I missed that particular point. Yes, your argument seems very correct; however, I would like to know myself the take of Islamic Rulings in such case, for I am not aware of it. I will appreciate if you can back up your understanding with Quran and/or ahaadeeth or any of the traditions of Sahaba Ridhwanullahay Aleyehe Ajma’een.
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oh woah this is messed up! If the two are not muslim its okay? Thats an incentive not to be a muslim! and what about justice? Isnt justice the same for all? Dont muslims living in west have to abide by wests rules? Then why people in an Islamic country are free from prosecution? very VERY flawed justice.
My personal opinion is that gunnah (sin) and evil that do not harm the community should not be prosecuted by the state law enforcement. The state laws exist for the SAFETY of the people, not for their morallity.
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What a pathetic joke! I have buddies from Turkey who where living their girlfriends while in Turkey. I have some desi muslim friends here who lived together with their gori girlfriends before going home to get married.
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Dont miss the point Mulz. What Im saying is that the state laws designed for the peoples safety apply to everyone that is geographically located within the borders of that community, and are not limited only to people of certain religion.
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^ you are right. I agree with you. Like liquor.. I guess Pakistani muslims can't have in their country but are free to have in the west where liquor flows freely. On the other hand, non-muslims are allowed to have liquor in Pakistan albiet inside.. one land should have one law for its ppl- visitors and inhabitants alike.
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Salam folks,
I wont go into details but Allah orders believers to live and let live the non believers in harmoney.
That makes the answer yes one can live together in such country. Provided you respect the local laws of the community you live in.
cheers!
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Because there is an age old principle of forbidding what is wrong in public. Fornication has been deemed a criminal offense, and that's that.
Allowing it for a minority is traditionally what would have been done (seperate set of laws and all), but I'm for a uniform set of laws.
If the minorities don't like it, tough.
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Allowing it for a minority is traditionally what would have been done (seperate set of laws and all), but I'm for a uniform set of laws.
If the minorities don't like it, tough.
Please tell me then was the hijab issue for female students in France valid?
No right to give Adhan on speakers, causing disturbance to the peace? (Although I am all for it the adhan should be done on speakers)
Tough isn't it?