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Murtaza Ali Shah @MurtazaGeoNews 23s
Unbelievable scenes - Imran Khan and Qadri are finally together on one Container, brothers and cousins on the same page
Murtaza Ali Shah @MurtazaGeoNews 4m
Sheikh Rashhed will attend the NA session 2mrm 2 announce that he will NOT resign - he knows resigning will be the Qurbani he had predicted
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Seems my impression from what they say is different than yours. Ho sakta hay, I also have Akhrot brain like Achakzai and Fazlu. Let see what you perceived and what I:
I do not think both use religion as much as any Muslim uses religion. Obviously, TUQ uses religion more than IK. I believe they take strength from religion (what we all do), and that is all.
As for pro poor agenda as façade to fool people. All person when talk about politics or show desire of political change, they do with pro-poor agenda in mind (some lie and some may have true feeling about that.
As for statement, that pro-poor agenda as façade to fool people … I can only say this for those who had the opportunity to do something for poor (PPP, PMLQ, and PMLN leadership). In my view, PMLN had opportunity since 1979 to serve poor of Punjab, but they miserably failed, because they lie and fool people. They also ruled Pakistan for around 6 years, but did nothing other than making themselves mega rich by looting and plundering Pakistan, and created discord in Pakistan due to nepotism and provincialism.
Same can be said about PPP, who could have changed the life of poor in Sindh, as they are directly or indirectly ruling Sindh since 1972. PPP ruled Pakistan longest, could be around 15 years, but other than looting and plundering, did nothing.
I think PMLQ got 5 years and I believe they did something, though could have done more.
As for IK and TUQ, they never ruled Pakistan or province for any mentionable period of time, so to say that they fool people is claiming too much. On the other hand, even when they did not ruled Pakistan, on individual basis, they did much more for people of Pakistan using their own incentive (not state money) than both Bhuttos and Shareefs.
That to me is lie, as they continuously say that they respect Pakistan and Pakistani constitution.
On the other hand, I can give many reasons to say that both PPP leadership (especially Bhuttos and Zardaris) and PMLN leadership (Shareef brothers) do not respect Pakistan or Pakistani constitution.
Again, I think that is lie. There is no evidence that they are violent. TUQ took out peaceful procession in 2013 and also this time his men were peaceful, but we all saw how government became aggressive and that also illegally. Same can be said about PTI (IK), that till now they showed that they are non-violent.
Same cannot be said about both PPP and PMLN. Bhutto always used violence in his rule, subduing Baluchistan by declaring Governor rule in 1973 and then bombing Baluchistan using Pakistan forces. BeNazir Bhutto did lot of extra-judicial killing through police to subdue Karachi (Karachi operation) and also used police to kill many in Hyderabad.
Shareef brothers are worse. They think they are Gullu of Pakistan. Shareefs always used violence of state to subdue opponents and oppositions. Bara Tind extra-judicial killing in Karachi is more than several thousand while Chota Tind using police to do extra-judicial killing is numerous in Punjab. They even try to challenge and weaken Pakistan armed forces as if Pakistan armed forces are of another country. These two thugs when in government think that state has become their personal property, and citizen of state their slaves.
In my religious teaching and understanding, lies are something that one utters to deceive, harm and misguide others. Lies are not what a person says metaphorically (Quran is full of metaphorical phrases, that if taken literally than it would be lie), or says to cover up own fault (fault that does not effects other).
Now with above in mind, I could not pin point any lies from IK or TUQ.
On the other hand, I can pin point many from PMLN leadership, including Shareef brothers, as well as their supporters, who lie, and lie as habit. Nawaz Shareef is such a blatant liar that he lies in public on things that are obvious. He is such a thug that he even lies in parliament. In UK, leave Prime Minister, even if a parliamentarian lie in parliament, he is thrown out of his membership and would be sent to prison … as by doing that, this liar abuse parliament sanctity.
There might be some truth here (though I would not say that they use their followers as sacrificial animals intentionally). But then that is true with all Pakistani political and religious parties, and also true with all political and religious parties since humans are on earth … and all depends on how one looks at those sacrifices.
Bhai Sahib itni lumbi kahani likh dali..
I was telling you about similarities between TTP and TUK when you said Fazlullah and TUK were different. Aap PTI ko lay aaye beech main. Now read my post again.. It means TUK and TTP are similar..
Dobara kahani lekhein.. Shabash..!!!
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I will add here that I agree with crux of why Imran is saying, but I don't agree the way he has adopted for getting it implemented. He needs to calm down his time as well when addressing his opponents. Maybe he can take a cue from aitzaz?
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Kaptaan ne game up kr di hai phr say
Thats why he is the leader
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^ we will see. Key is free and fair elections which do not suit the two bigger parties.
What really infuriates me is that literally all those that made disgusted speeches in the parliament have filed enough rigging cases (60 odd for both PPP and Nawaz League), yet none of them ever got together to pass a resolution to condemn rigging and allow free and fair investigation. Did they bother telling Lord Nawaz Sharif that please in the interest of the system and for grater public trust, open up those four consistencies to avoid the crises?
Are you bloody telling me that Moulana Fazlu is your new hero and champion of the system?
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**Umar **@Umar_Khan10](https://twitter.com/Umar_Khan10) 21s
Remember that story about the 92 WC when the manager was like, IK let’s book return flights. And IK was like: “Heh. No yet, son. NOT YET”
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What really infuriates me is that literally all those dastards that made speeches in the parliament have filed enough rigging cases (60 odd for both PPP and Nawaz League), yet none of them ever got together to pass a resolution on rigging, and told Nawaz Sharif to open up those four consistencies to avoid this crises?
Are you bloody telling me that scumbag Moulana Fazlu is your new hero and champion of the system?
Yes unfortunately we deserve bigots like NS and Fazlur Rehman for our country not Imran khan
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I think you did not read my post, or did you?
I did compared PAT with TTP. If you just want to argue for the sake of argument than it is fine … just be adamant … and say ‘may na mano kahayain’ at every occasion … and I would know what you mean, that is … may nahi sunna, na parhan, bus jo samjhna wohi sahi. But if you are serious, than please read my post than reply … and be logically in your reply.
If you want my reply specifically on this issue than read my post:#6915](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/pakistan-affairs/645516-live-updates-of-azadi-march-385.html#post10129757)
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I think we need to have a debate on this.
Why Imran Khan haters have turned cult into such a dirty word? Movement needs leaders, leaders represent ideas! Javed Hashmi who is now become a prophet for Nawaz Sharif die hard has admitted that Imran is a massive hope for the youth of Pakistan and he must not fail! PTI is the third force to counter that filthy dynastic system and oligarchic regime, if it is failed, then what do you have?
It took PTI 18 long years to gain this status as a third party option, if their haters want them to fail because supporting status quo parties protects their interest and corruption the benefits them. But PTI is dead and burried, tell me who's next line to present a solution? Does your 'system' allows new parties to emerge and gain hold?
There's nothing to debate.
We all HATE the system and would like to get rid off it. ONE DOESN'T BECOME THE SYSTEM. Imran did exactly that.
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Politics are not cricket match and cricket analogies do not apply here.
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Bhai Sahib
After losing the match he just wants the umpire to declare him man of the match.. That’s all.. He has done some serious damage to team PTI.. He is just a self praising individualist..
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Are you bloody telling me that scumbag Moulana Fazlu is your new hero and champion of the system?
Diesel is a clown, I fear Imran following suit. Irresponsible statements like threatening storming the parliament, civil disobedience, hundi, giving deadlines for the umpire's finger are damaging his credibility. What's the difference now between Imran and say Shahbaz?
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#6915](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/pakistan-affairs/645516-live-updates-of-azadi-march-385.html#post10129757)
Two leaders (Fazlu and Achakzai) in their speech on floor of house (parliament) showed that they have big bodies but Akhrot brain. It was surprising that they compared TUQ and IK protest with Sufi Mohammed (TTP).
Here are differences between TUQ and IK compared to Sufi Mohammaed (that Akhrot brain of Mahmmod Achakzai and Fazl-ur-Rahman could not understand):
(TUQ and IK) and their men in protest are not armed with firearms, neither killing anyone, nor saying that they do not believe on parliament and constitution.
Both lied that these two or any one of them every said that they do not believe on parliament and constitution.
These two are saying that present parliament consists of people who are their due to rigging, and thus do not deserve to be there. They are also saying that government is not implementing constitution in words and sprite, and these two want that constitution should be implemented in words and sprite.
They are both saying that apart of army, most in present government are political induction, and thus they are not state machinery, so they should be taken differently (and in my opinion, they are right too).
Now coming to Sufi Mohammed: This terrorist do not literally believe on parliament and constitution. This terrorist has taken up arms against the state (not government, but state) and have killed many civilians as well as army men. This terrorist not only killed, but killed brutally causing terror around him. Still, Pakistan army gave him Swat to torment innocent people living in Swat (what state should not have done), but this terrorist did not stayed there, rather he started moving to other areas and started challenging Pakistan state and armed forces outside Swat too.
Sudi Mohammed is not terrorist because he was demanding something. He is terrorist because he with his men was not demanding anything, he was fighting the state, armed forces and ordinary civilians with firearms, killing brutally whoever did not agreed with him. But then someone with Akhrot brain could not understand that.
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Now separate TUK with PTI.. PTI is not like TTP but TUK is.. Ab dobara kahani lekhein defending TUK only..
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Murtaza Ali Shah @MurtazaGeoNews 1m
Imran Khan doesnt have the required numbers of workers in his dherna n Dr Qadri doesn’t have the DJ Butt sound system. Alliance 4 Pakistan!
Bissmah Mehmud @bissmahmehmud 4m
The awkward moment when pti](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=PTI) fans cant decide whether to continue supporting cool Immy bhai or bash him for inviting not so cool Qadri baba.
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Now separate TUK with PTI.. PTI is not like TTP but TUK is.. Ab dobara kahani lekhein defending TUK only..
Take PTI out of my above post and consider that as TUK ... than see yourself and you would find the difference between TUK and TTP (because in most of my above post, i discussed TUK ... not PTI ... only used PTI as passing addition).
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Take PTI out of my above post and consider that as TUK ... than see yourself and you would find the difference between TUK and TTP (because in most of my above post, i discussed TUK ... not PTI ... only used PTI as passing addition).
Not valid.. Write a new story.. There is a fundamental difference between TUK and PTI.. PTI is a stake holder in electoral system.. While TTP and TUK want inqalab..
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Someone please put some sense in this single cell brain of IK.. Time to get rid of this TUK guy.. He has already done enough damage to your party..