Op, I am not in favor of a five year old in Hijab. It’s simply not necessary at that point. With that being said, one of my friends daughters took on hijab recently. On her own, her parents never forced her and she has even been keeping it on during pool parties all the while wearing shorts and a tshirt lol. Why you may ask? Because she sees everyone around her doing it. All of their immidetae friends and family don hijabs and she goes to school with all of her little friends who for the most part are told they have to wear it. Her best friend is somewhat forced to wear it by one of her parents and she decided to take it on because she must have felt different than the rest. Her reasons have nothing to do with a religious decision but because she’s a growing little girl learning to observe others around her. No one forced her and she was even taught that she has no obligation for it however they did tell her that if decides to wear it she will have to commit to it and explained the importance of sticking with her choice. Now it’s difficult to make her take it off even when it’s all girls around because it’s her choice and for the time being she is set with keeping it on.
It shouldn’t be hard to believe that not all parents force their children, little girls are very impressionable. Some like to dance to Shiela which I have also seen and is also really cute and some want to take on hijab simply because of their environments.
In our society we are “forced” to get up ans go school ," forced" to wear a horrible uniform, forced to get good school grades forced to do things that we usually may not want to do. But whenever someone" forces" religious knowledge the “liberal” Muslims all go mad and kiss arse the western counterparts.we are so pathetic ad apologetic to practicing our faith.
Especially when religion is what will.get you a.good place after death not school grades.
And its funny how a 4 year old.wearing tiny shorts and crop top is.OK.but hijab isn’t.
p.s my phone is crap guys excuse the punctuation marks everywhere
Ah, brilliant. So the school is tolerant and welcoming enough to respect the choices of little. I guess there’s nothing much to discuss and condemn then. May the little girls never become the victims of any hate crime.
You are no one to pity anyone’s innocent children and judge anyone’s parenting. If you have the guts, for your own peace of mind, you can go up to children’s parents and ask them if their daughters are ‘forced’ to wear the head scarves or not. There’s something abhorrently disturbing about seeing little children being judged. What kind of world are we living in? Unfortunately, the problem with Islam is that every blooming Tom, Dick, Harry thinks he knows more, his version of Islam is better therefore it is his God right duty to go around correcting people’s Islam and enforce his version of Islam. Everyone likes to get some thrills out of thinking he/she is the sole thakedaar of the religion. The fact you are hell-bent on using the word ‘force’ and showing no regard for any various other factors clearly suggest that all you are really fishing for is someone to say yes to your yes.
It’s a simple rule of thumb, people who preach Muslims on internet left, right and centre about not judging anyone and not enforcing their opinions and lifestyles should return the same courtesy. Hence, my earlier point still remains, likes of you would never tolerate those Hijabi parents questioning other’s little girls wearing shorts, so why on earth would some predatory eyes of strangers on the streets make their little girls object of public scrutiny and condemnation? Islamophobia maybe trendy in some parts of the world and in some heats and minds, but for sake of humanity, leave Muslims who have personally done you no wrong, alone! Mind your own life. Live and let live.
Btw, children are lot smarter and independent than some of the adults like to give them credit for. Maybe you can provide the list of all the ‘choices’ 4-5 year olds have.
Thanks for putting it in the writing. As if your posts weren’t obvious enough.
Since my name came up (and this has occurred before also), let me add - this unnecessary aggression is unhealthy. Just calm down. (Or not).
You can learn a thing or two from KKF re being polite. (So can I). KKF chooses to not respond in kind , not because he cant. And is in fact following his faith better than those here who are aggressive.
(The post below was to set the record straight wrt my position on hijab. I am in favor of to each his own. Meaning, in this case, if the girl chose to wear a hijab or her parents chose for her, not my business)
Just saw this. My post SUPPORTED the little girls wearing the hijab if they or their parents chose for them to do so. I don’t see how that was anti islamic.
In case it is still not clear, my post “to each his own” simply means preserve the individuals right to do as they choose. That means, I support a lady’s right to wear a Niqab if she chooses. And am against France denying them this right.
Looks like you have a problem with that simply because I said so. Carry on. I am out.
Generally speaking I don’t think little girls dancing provocatively is seen as a positive thing.. There was a series about gypsies here in the UK not long ago and in their culture it’s seen as harmless and fun for the little girls to dress up in very skimply clothes and dance like that.. I remember there being quite an outcry when that aired and a lot of people complained of it being inappropriate.. The positive comments were definitely in the minority..
Honestly, let the parents decide. It could either make them so used to the clothes they’ll never think anything else is the option or it’ll backfire and as soon as their parents backs are towards them they’ll change into different clothes.
I do think people should understand that kids will be kids and need to play. Like there were two or three girls in my school whose parents wouldn’t allow them to swim in segregated swimming pools. No one said put your kids in bikinis but there are other suitable swimwear available.
Seems to be a bit of a theme on here to undermine kids and their ability to make decisions or be smart enough to choose certain things. Still don’t see the problem with “shauq”. So what if they start off as emulating their parents and then decide its what they want for themselves? I decided not to go down the hijab route whilst my sister did.
Yes it is possible that kids are influenced by their parents and again i see nothing wrong with that, but as i said if it’s imposed then there is obviously a problem and thats a different issue altogether and even then in your case, how do you know they are being forced just because the girl was agitated by a scarf on a hot day? It’s just a huge presumption.
OP how do you feel about Little girls in miniskirts and thiny tops thumka lagao’ing on some weird desi song? Do you feel society/parents also forces them or that’s just very cute and just doing what they see around them?
I think many people on here underestimate children. They’re more clever than we often give them credit for. They’re incredibly perceptive, although they don’t always express it, and are not as easily “brainwashed” as people seem to think. Wearing hijab at an early age will not give them a skewed perception as they can reason to some degree and will eventually grow up to make their own decisions.
Personally, I think this is a storm in a teacup. Even if parents insist that their daughters wear hijab at an early age, it is hardly different from the manner in which parents choose their children’s clothing when they’re small. When children are quite young, their parents make most of their decisions anyway. Is that “oppressive?”
OP if you want to see real oppression and the issues faced by women as a result of some people’s skewed interpretation of religion, feel free to visit my country.
^I think people who don’t mind that sort of thing watch it on Youtube in the first place.. those who don’t approve of it won’t watch in the first place as it’s clear from the title what’s in the clips..
How terribly politically incorrect you are. Bad Ethan.
(That said, I’m not certain what they prefer to be called though as I’ve heard them refer to themselves as different things on the show Deeba is talking about.)
Why do people get so touchy about a hijab? Its a piece of cloth over someone’s head. That’s it. Parents choose to have their kids wear it then its noone’s problem.
This thread was never about whether the hijab should be worn or not but rather if parents should decide that choice, especially at a young age. As you have pointed out, there are some little girls who don’t have a choice in not wearing it. Several users have also said that some little girls are “trained” into wearing it so they don’t have to make the choice when the time comes because it was already made for them very early on. If you see nothing wrong with that, that’s fine but I simply believe that hijab should be an informed choice at an appropriate age and not something parents coerce their daughters into doing. Apparently having that opinion is “extreme”.
The “piece of cloth over someone’s head” carries a lot of significance for many Muslims. You can’t claim it to be a choice and then ignore the instances where it is forced.
They can make an informed choice when they grow up. As far as I know, people are allowed to change their minds regarding hijab. They can choose to continue wearing it or not.
When children are young, parents often dress them, especially daughters, in the manner that they like but that the child is not so keen on. When the child grows up, they stop dressing that way if they don’t like it. Women can do that in the case of hijab as well. With all of the truly terribly oppressive things women face in some parts of the world today, is this that much of an issue?
