Lions/Tigers in Sindh

[Ali_Syed]

Indian State of Gujarat is just across the border from Sindh, I was wondering if Lions/Tigers exist in parts of Sindh?

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[mahool]

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@muqawwee123 is our Lion… :hehe:

[muqawwee123]

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Ali, you might missed a recent debate in Sindh assembly, where Mehtab Akbar Rashidi said 'some decades ago, Sindh’s forests got lions, tigers, etc and now you can’t find sparrows and parrots.

Jokes galore as game hunting discussed in Sindh Assembly | Pakistan | Dunya News

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[Ali_Syed]

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@muqawwee123

Ali, you might missed a recent debate in Sindh assembly, where Mehtab Akbar Rashidi said 'some decades ago, Sindh’s forests got lions, tigers, etc and now you can’t find sparrows and parrots.

Jokes galore as game hunting discussed in Sindh Assembly | Pakistan | Dunya News

Thanks for sharing. I had missed it. I was wondering as in India I believe both states bordering Sindh (Gujarat and Rajhastan) have lions, therefore it did not make sense for Sindh not to have them.

[queer]

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Sindh is separated from Gujarat by swamplands, and then it is desert for a while. Lions live in forested grasslands, Tigers are from rainforests and have never lived in Sindh. Both need a lot of herbivorous wildlife to live off. Top order predators are not the easiest to sustain, unless everything else in the ecosystem is healthy.

Historical extend of asiatic lion

Historic range of tigers

Sindh and Punjab were famous for its large gainda population not so long ago. Babarnama mentions them. i doubt there are any left now.

Historic range of Rhinos

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[Ali_Syed]

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@queer

Sindh is separated from Gujarat by swamplands, and then it is desert for a while. Lions live in forested grasslands, Tigers are from rainforests and have never lived in Sindh. Both need a lot of herbivorous wildlife to live off. Top order predators are not the easiest to sustain, unless everything else in the ecosystem is healthy.

Historical extend of asiatic lion

Historic range of tigers

Sindh and Punjab were famous for its large gainda population not so long ago. Babarnama mentions them. i doubt there are any left now.

Historic range of Rhinos

no gaindas in the areas forming Pakistan.

[muqawwee123]

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@queer

Sindh is separated from Gujarat by swamplands, and then it is desert for a while.** Lions live in forested grasslands, Tigers are from rainforests and have never lived in Sindh.** Both need a lot of herbivorous wildlife to live off. Top order predators are not the easiest to sustain, unless everything else in the ecosystem is healthy.

Historical extend of asiatic lion

Historic range of tigers

Sindh and Punjab were famous for its large gainda population not so long ago. Babarnama mentions them. i doubt there are any left now.

Historic range of Rhinos

I doubt the bold line considering folklore and language of Sindh which got specific words for Lion ‘Sheehan’ and Tiger ‘Wagha’. Indus river is famously known as Sheehn Darya (lion river in Sindh). May be areas of Sindh near Rajashtan didn’t have lions, but there were forests on banks of river Indus, so we can’t deny existence of these animals in Sindh.

Fauna of Sindh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Some unusual sightings of Asian Cheetah occurred in 2003 near the Balochistan Border in the Kirthar mountains. The pirrang (large tiger cat or fishing cat) of the eastern desert region is also disappearing. Deer are found in the lower rocky plains and in the eastern region, as well as the striped hyena (charakh), jackal, fox, porcupine, common gray mongoose and hedgehog. The mysterious Sindh krait of the Thar region, which is supposed to suck the victim’s breath in his sleep is widely found in the Tharparkar District of Southern Sindh.

@Ali_Syed

A walk on the wild side - The Express Tribune

[Ali_Syed]

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@muqawwee123

I doubt the bold line considering folklore and language of Sindh which got specific words for Lion ‘Sheehan’ and Tiger ‘Wagha’. Indus river is famously known as Sheehn Darya (lion river in Sindh). May be areas of Sindh near Rajashtan didn’t have lions, but there were forests on banks of river Indus, so we can’t deny existence of these animals in Sindh.

Fauna of Sindh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

@Ali_Syed

A walk on the wild side - The Express Tribune

thanks for sharing, interesting article

[queer]

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@muqawwee123

I doubt the bold line considering folklore and language of Sindh which got specific words for Lion ‘Sheehan’ and Tiger ‘Wagha’. Indus river is famously known as Sheehn Darya (lion river in Sindh). May be areas of Sindh near Rajashtan didn’t have lions, but there were forests on banks of river Indus, so we can’t deny existence of these animals in Sindh.

Fauna of Sindh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

@Ali_Syed

A walk on the wild side - The Express Tribune

pretty much all languages in asia have words for both lion and tiger, even if not native, lions and tigers are majestic enough to be famous as trophies for kings and folklore since forever. there are no lions anywhere in kerala, our forests are dense rainforests where tigers and leopards thrive, but lions need open grasslands and sparse forests. yet there are like 3-4 words just for lions in malayalam and are often in local fables.

[muqawwee123]

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@queer

pretty much all languages in asia have words for both lion and tiger, even if not native, lions and tigers are majestic enough to be famous as trophies for kings and folklore since forever. there are no lions anywhere in kerala, our forests are dense rainforests where tigers and leopards thrive, but lions need open grasslands and sparse forests. yet there are like 3-4 words just for lions in malayalam and are often in local fables.

The article I posted above says that last lion of Sindh was killed near Kot Deji, Sindh in 1860s. (Though there are many kuttas claiming themselves Sher e Sindh now, but thats another topic )

Now this Kot Deji and Kirthar Range are adjacent areas. Another article says that wild cats (including Leopards) are still found in Kirthar range.

Wild Cats of Pakistan

The Leopards in Pakistan are mainly found in the highlands of Baluchistan and Sind, and the mountain forests of Punjab, N.W.F.P and Azad Kashmir. The leopard is found in the Kirthar Mountain Range of Sind and the Toba Kakar, the Mekran and the Sulaiman Range of Baluchistan. In the northern mountanious region it is found in the Murree Hills, Swat Kohistan, Dir, Chitral, Abbotabad and Lower Gilgit. It is also found in the Kaghan valley and the Margalla Hills. In Azad Kaashmir it is found around the hill ranges of Muzaffarabad and the Neelum Valley. Its survival in the Salt Range in Punjab is not clear, though they still do exist in very small numbers. The leopard sparsely inhabits the Kala Chita hills as well.

[Ali_Syed]

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@muqawwee123

The article I posted above says that last lion of Sindh was killed near Kot Deji, Sindh in 1860s. (Though there are many kuttas claiming themselves Sher e Sindh now, but thats another topic )

Now this Kot Deji and Kirthar Range are adjacent areas. Another article says that wild cats (including Leopards) are still found in Kirthar range.

Wild Cats of Pakistan

There are only two Lions that I know of in Punjab…the last of the lot

[muqawwee123]

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@Ali_Syed

There are only two Lions that I know of in Punjab…the last of the lot

Where are they? Zoo or Parliament house?

[Ali_Syed]

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@muqawwee123

Where are they? Zoo or Parliament house?

I want this forum free from advertisements… Parliament house…

[muqawwee123]

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I want this forum free from advertisements... Parliament house... :)

You missed the third one from Saraiki belt ;)

Khar.... Budha Sher

[Ali_Syed]

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You missed the third one from Saraiki belt ;)

Khar.... Budha Sher

oh I forgot him...he was a dangerous animal when he was younger,I dont think Punjab has seen a crueler ruler.

[Ali_Syed]

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I am impressed by how the ruler of chattisgarh knew of the importance of preserving the native animals in early 1900's, our rulers still dont under stand this.