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^ common sense, maybe. Sometimes it supercedes things in scripture. And it is your misfortune and lack of understanding what Riba means. I can gruarantee you I can find RIba hard at work at your company. In fact I will put money on it. Wanna play?
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Islamic scholars acknowledge that in the modern economic climate, it is impossible to completely avoid riba. Therefore, companies are generally certified as Islam compliant so long as the criteria they meet include minimal involvement with riba (as opposed to no involvement) amomgst other issues. Riba should not play a significant role in their business activities., as opposed to have no role.
Of course, different scholars have different opinions on what constitutes minimal involvement. This thread probably isn't the best place to discuss this, but here's an example of controversy. Take Microsoft. Because their primary business line is exclusively software, Citigroup's Islamic scholars ruled that Microsoft is shariah compliant. Saudi American Bank's Islamic scholars rules that Microsoft is not Shariah compliant, because it generate significant income from the interest on its cash reserves etc.
^ hahaha..so mullahs have been Feng Shui experts now? 
Is a little bit Riba like little bit pregnant? You should be ashamed of yourself for compromising your high moral standards for a quick buck. 
It is funny that those certify haven’t a clue about finance. 
LOL… you never give up, do you 
Madsci: I have been saying for years now that parts of the quran are outdated. I am not assailing the message, I am assailing the thought process that suggests that whatever worked in the 7thg century will work in the 22nd century.
The message int he quran re: Riba is the right message, it is about shunning usury. But the practicality is that Interest is confused with usury, even back then the literalists think that an instrument of financing is haraam while they should be instead concetrating on stopping usury.
So when you tell me that some islamic finance scholars consider citibabnk haraam while csome consider microsoft halaal, I cannot but chuckle..they are using anachronistic guidelines to measure corporate responsibility. The key is IRR. it will tell you how leveraged your finances are.
The internal rate of return is most certainly a key financial measure, but it provides no measure of how acceptable one's investment is to God :)
God is wrong in this case..plain and simple. I said it somewhere before...god needs a refresher in finance and economics. Because of her outdated thinking you cannot maximize return.
Actually it is more than IRR, God cannot read a balance sheet nor do EVA analysis. And god shouldn't. That is why he has given us a brain.
Re: letting culture rule...retaining moral high ground vs getting what you want?
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these days i was faced with a decision to break a cultural barrier and try to achieve something i really really wanted. i flirted with fire and went through phases whether to give in to what i wanted because islamically there was nothing wrong with it.
my decision making power really really sucks. in the end i decided to let go of what i could have had, and just stick to my high moral ground...it was the tougher route for me, perhaps that is why i chose it. some people told me its my stubbbornness and i like making my life difficult. i dont know.
a want is something worldly and giving up a want is after all just self denial. even if i suffer, i will suffer, i am prepared to suffer. i would rather suffer than degrade myself or compromise on morals. and afterall....you haven't lost anything if you haven't lost your dignity...thats what matters most...
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Tell some friends of mine that this is something that Seedha Saada naam not disclosing for the sake of higher moral grounds has not written, they wud not believe it. If any friend of mine has the chance to read what u have written here irem, he/she wud believe its me......
There is something strange in me that I find similar to ur bent of mind.
I for my sake have never compromised on morals. Not disclosing what dilemmas I had faced as it wud be revealing personal matters, I have ot say irem that such atitude has caused me almost ruin my happiness. There is no one who can understand me...everyother person wud taunt me, hey....come out, u cant be living in utopian world for ever!
On number of occasions I, like u, had tried to break the barriers with a resolution that I will but the moment I had to act, mere pairon par jaise kisee ne pathar baandh diye hote hain!
^ Awww life of a victim I tell ya. :(
Well, the initial post is more focused towards culture however religious debate wasn’t bad either. I would like to know what cultural things cause friction between being on a higher moral ground vs. getting what you want. Examples please.
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Seedha Saadha I think you and maybe fantastic are the only one then who understands my true state of mind. I’m so confused I don’t even know what to think, believe, do anymore.
~Sehar~ I thought it was Islamically right. But, and Allah swt is witness to the reason I am saying this, many times I am even confused about what message religion is giving us in a certain issue. I read ayaat and I am confused. Wallahi. Maybe I am one of those people Allah said who will have curtains on their eyes? I think at the end of the day one really has to rely on personal judgment. I did then but I had doubts later, after a few signs, if I had taken the correct decision or not. Since the issue was not so black and white I decided to just drop it.
Mehnaz yeah maybe thats what I wanted to say, but the reason I wrote this post was not to brag, or maybe it was? Behind every action I have a million purposes of all types. I think I wrote this because I felt like I had lost something big and wanted sympathy? I don’t know. Please shoot me someone. A person as confused as me shouldn’t be walking on this planet.
Fayz …I for some reason have in my mind equated ethics to convention. What I want to do is not unethical when I analyse it objectively, but unconventional it sure is. And my mind keeps reverting back to telling me that if it is unconventional then it is also unethical.
Does that make sense? 
mad scientist, go for the job if it pays well. dont make the mistakes i am making.
Matsui Quran is not outdated. But you may be right, interpretations can vary. I believe one should just take the Quran in her/his hands and read it. And do what they think it tells them to do. But clarity of thought is what I am missing.
Humsa… i wish…sometimes i really really do wish…
fantastic…thank you 
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Mehnaz yeah maybe thats what I wanted to say, but the reason I wrote this post was not to brag, or maybe it was? Behind every action I have a million purposes of all types. I think I wrote this because I felt like I had lost something big and wanted sympathy? I don't know. Please shoot me someone. A person as confused as me shouldn't be walking on this planet.
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Irem, I was not mocking you. Seriously. I thought that is what you were saying. I was just summarizing it for Chandbeti.
What are you so confused about? What specifically about the culture is making you question yourself? Maybe if you provided some specific examples we can be more helpful. :)
Hmmm. I can’t write the problem here…but appreciate your desire to help