Let's not go overboard

[deedawar]

So, PML (Q) lost and others won.

So what.

Lets not run after those who lost the battle or ran from the field. Good people do not do that.

1-Lets look forward and see what winners will do for the country.

2- There are many good things the losers of this election left behind including many open media channels, a great financial staibility and its a pleasure to mention the clear and open election the result is accepted openly and was made possible by open minded administration.

Lets not forget that the nation is eating the fruit of open media… a legacy of previous administration. No one had done that before.

3- Lets become the example for others by looking forward and moving forward to make the country stronger in all fronts.

[teggy]

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^Very well said. I think it's the perfect time and environment to show the world that Pakistan is a capable nation of mature politicians who can behave. Moreover, set an example that assures the "big cheese" that peace and stability will prevail now that the democratic forces have won the election again.

[PyariCgudia]

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Pakistanis don't like to think this way. They want mirch masala, unfortunately, and so getting together on one agenda will be hard as it is.

Pakistani society is very divided, and not because its all Mush's fault as people love to say, but because it just is. Pakistanis wont ever get on the same page - you'll have some who want sharia law imposed and they see burqa'ed women and no work on Friday's as the only true manifestation of a sharia. You'll have traditionalists who have and always will continue to fight AGAINST women's rights, children's rights. You'll always have the gunday who the justice system (jive jive Mr. Chief Justice) can't put behind bars where they belong who are hell bent on tearing the moral and social fabric of society with drugs, guns, and trafficked women. And you'll always have the Pakistanis who just sit on their behind and watch quietly, because they're too afriad for their life to do anything to stop injustice when they see it.

[ehtasab]

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^ what has your above ranting to do with the thread?

[deedawar]

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Elections are done.
People participated.
People elected their representatives.
More people voted than in some of so called democratic country citizens around the world.
Pakistan has national holiday on election day compared to other countries.
Pakistan has elected minorities in the past on power including a woman.
Administration was impartial during election.
Those who did not participate are left behind. No one else but their own fault.
Process must go on.
Winners need to be and are for the most part humble.
Losers in the race are gracious.

Let the country go on.

[PyariCgudia]

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dee, its wonderful to see such youthful optimism.

However, as much as its hard to swallow - these are the facts. People will NOT progress in that society until the people of Pakistan practice TRUE democracy, which would mean getting rid of the people that enslave them and oppress them whether it be the newly fashionable ninja extremist or the age-old crack-smoking wadera.

Until then, these words are just hope. Hope with no action.

[Captain1]

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@PyariCgudia

However, as much as its hard to swallow - these are the facts. People will NOT progress in that society until the people of Pakistan practice TRUE democracy, which would mean getting rid of the people that enslave them and oppress them whether it be the newly fashionable ninja extremist or the age-old crack-smoking wadera.

You cannot start practicing "TRUE democracy" from day 1, people learn using their vote power with time (Remember, people get to vote every 5 years - usually). Let the process grow, be patient, support the good and criticize the bad, Inshallah Pakistan will be a great country!

[PyariCgudia]

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In 5 years, the "democratic parties" of Pakistan that our ghareeb voted in will undo all the progress made in 5 years.

The only viable option is that they'll make a deal with Musharraf, and what was once PML-Q will now be replaced by PPP and PML-N. Mere puppets to show the world "we're not a military dictatorship", and in exchange if they shutup and sit quiet they can pocket a crapload of cash in the process.

5 years will go by, and Pakistan might still be around, but it wont have gotten any better.

[deedawar]

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@PyariCgudia

dee, its wonderful to see such youthful optimism.

However, as much as its hard to swallow - these are the facts. People will NOT progress in that society until the people of Pakistan practice TRUE democracy, which would mean getting rid of the people that enslave them and oppress them whether it be the newly fashionable ninja extremist or the age-old crack-smoking wadera.

Until then, these words are just hope. Hope with no action.

Again you come up with irrelevant and negative thoughts you call 'facts'.

What is true democracy? 20% or less people voting in an 'examplary' democratic country electing a key government official while 80% people just tired of old tactics and staying home or just working since it is still a working day?

I see your stubborn attitude having no boundaries.

Do I care for your thoughts? Hell no. It just gives me more reason to play with you.

I say let the country go on the positive path shown by recent event.

[Captain1]

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@PyariCgudia

In 5 years, the "democratic parties" of Pakistan that our ghareeb voted in will undo all the progress made in 5 years.

Which progress are you referring to? As I said earlier, democracy CANNOT guarantee best results in 1-2 election cycles. It needs a decade or two to get our masses educated on what a VOTE really is.

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The only viable option is that they'll make a deal with Musharraf, and what was once PML-Q will now be replaced by PPP and PML-N. Mere puppets to show the world "we're not a military dictatorship", and in exchange if they shutup and sit quiet they can pocket a crapload of cash in the process.
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And how is that going to help democracy again?

[zobia]

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@deedawar

So, PML (Q) lost and others won.

So what.

Lets not run after those who lost the battle or ran from the field. Good people do not do that.

1-Lets look forward and see what winners will do for the country.

well i guess so far they are having fun :rolleyes:

*A large number of political supporters stored up liquor and served it when the election results were announced. A supporter of a PML-Q candidate liquor was served to entertain guests regardless of election result.

Similarly, a PPP supporter said he had purchased genuine liquor, which was used to celebrate victory of their candidate. “We have purchased as many bottles as were available,” he said. He said many bootleggers sold refilled bottles of tainted liquor.*

-is quoam kia haal hoga

2- There are many good things the losers of this election left behind including many open media channels, a great financial staibility and its a pleasure to mention the clear and open election the result is accepted openly and was made possible by open minded administration.

ya you are right, except for financial stability part because as far as i know pakistan was called the most dangerous place on earth, so i really cant imagine any stable economic figures, whereas asking for “healthy figures” is out of the question.

3- Lets become the example for others by looking forward and moving forward to make the country stronger in all fronts.

Ameen

[Dr.LuLworth]

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@zobia

well i guess so far they are having fun :rolleyes:

Similarly, a PPP supporter said he had purchased genuine liquor, which was used to celebrate victory of their candidate. “We have purchased as many bottles as were available,” he said. He said many bootleggers sold refilled bottles of tainted liquor.

-is quoam kia haal hoga

That is interesting. Q league won in a handful of places. Not enough to raise demand of liquor 20 percent over night. This would mean, N league and ppp were celebrating their tails off. lol…funny news though.

Secondly, it shouldn’t be your concern whether they drink or not. And if it is your concern, then why support them? You have cleverly assumed, and with a wild imagination, that the parties that have lost are the main culprits of this.

@zobia

ya you are right, except for financial stability part because as far as i know pakistan was called the most dangerous place on earth, so i really cant imagine any stable economic figures, whereas asking for “healthy figures” is out of the question.

you should google that. You’d be surprised.

[Aalsi]

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@deedawar

So, PML (Q) lost and others won.

So what.

Lets not run after those who lost the battle or ran from the field. Good people do not do that.

1-Lets look forward and see what winners will do for the country.

2- There are many good things the losers of this election left behind including many open media channels, a great financial staibility and its a pleasure to mention the clear and open election the result is accepted openly and was made possible by open minded administration.

Lets not forget that the nation is eating the fruit of open media… a legacy of previous administration. No one had done that before.

3- Lets become the example for others by looking forward and moving forward to make the country stronger in all fronts.

God Bless you deedawar bhaijan.

[Sa1eem]

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**Deedawar: **Aaap kiya batayain kartay hou dost. The points you have put here is good but some are bad too. For instance:

@deedawar

So, PML (Q) lost and others won. So what.

So what? Well, it is big thing. It has never happened in Pakistan that army is behind a party and still party lost :)

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Lets not run after those who lost the battle or ran from the field. Good people do not do that.
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Good people ... well, you should know who you are addressing. You are not asking this from good people, you are addressing to characterless liars, murderers, thugs, corrupts, parasites, looters, plunderers, and their similar supporters.

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1-Lets look forward and see what winners will do for the country.
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What winners intend to do is written on the wall. Winners are planning to loot and plunder again but the biggest problem on their way are Presidential guards who under President are ready to hold twist the ears of corrupts if they show their shady characters, so these thugs are now thinking how to overcome this obstacle for their future looting and plundering plans.

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2- There are many good things the losers of this election left behind including many open media channels, a great financial staibility and its a pleasure to mention the clear and open election the result is accepted openly and was made possible by open minded administration.
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Well, some juicy things losers left behind is 17 billion dollars foreign exchange reserves, potential to borrow a lot of money as debt to GDP ratio that was 110 percent in 1999 has come down to around 50 percent, booming 75 billion dollars worth Stock Market, tax revenue that increased from 300 billion in 1999 to over 1000 billion rupees, and strong economy that increased from 62 billion dollars in 1999 to 160 billion dollars and thus has plenty for looting and plundering.

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Lets not forget that the nation is eating the fruit of open media............ a legacy of previous administration. No one had done that before.
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Well, this open media is bad for wealth of any corrupt. Problem is not that media could harm them but problem is that media would be another hungry mouth to feed so that they keep quite. So, such media is bad thing as it would cost corrupts to keep them quite, unless hard techniques are used as Bhutto Senior used to use, but for that a task force like FSF is needed.

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3- Lets become the example for others by looking forward and moving forward to make the country stronger in all fronts.
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Stronger in all fronts? What you want? Shooting own foot? Don't you know that nangi, bhooki, jahil awaam is good for democratic monarchy ... err, I mean Demon-crazy.

[teggy]

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[quote=“Sa1eem, post:17, topic:178808”]

**Deedawar: **Aaap kiya batayain kartay hou dost. The points you have put here is good but some are bad too. For instance:

So what? Well, it is big thing. It has never happened in Pakistan that army is behind a party and still party lost
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Really? Is it? I thought Musharraf wasn’t COAS anymore? **

Good people … well, you should know who you are addressing. You are not asking this from good people, you are addressing to characterless liars, murderers, thugs, corrupts, parasites, looters, plunderers, and their similar supporters.

Calling others name only diminished your own credibility. You’re just bitter because all your predictions and flawed commentary didn’t prove to be right at ALL. Cool down.

What winners intend to do is written on the wall. Winners are planning to loot and plunder again but the biggest problem on their way are Presidential guards who under President are ready to hold twist the ears of corrupts if they show their shady characters, so these thugs are now thinking how to overcome this obstacle for their future looting and plundering plans.
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Again, here you go with ur pseudo-analysis and predictions. Assuming makes an a outta you and me. So lets not assume.***

Well, some juicy things losers left behind is 17 billion dollars foreign exchange reserves, potential to borrow a lot of money as debt to GDP ratio that was 110 percent in 1999 has come down to around 50 percent, booming 75 billion dollars worth Stock Market, tax revenue that increased from 300 billion in 1999 to over 1000 billion rupees, and strong economy that increased from 62 billion dollars in 1999 to 160 billion dollars and thus has plenty for looting and plundering.

I have nothing to say about that.

Well, this open media is bad for wealth of any corrupt. Problem is not that media could harm them but problem is that media would be another hungry mouth to feed so that they keep quite. So, such media is bad thing as it would cost corrupts to keep them quite, unless hard techniques are used as Bhutto Senior used to use, but for that a task force like FSF is needed.

Media would cost the Govt. money…aaaaaaaaaaaahahahahhahahahaha good one! USA/UK could learn from you. I should forward all your past and future posts to World Economic Forum.

Stronger in all fronts? What you want? Shooting own foot? Don’t you know that nangi, bhooki, jahil awaam is good for democratic monarchy … err, I mean Demon-crazy.

[Sa1eem]

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[quote=“teggy, post:2, topic:178833”]

@Sa1eem

**Deedawar: **Aaap kiya batayain kartay hou dost. The points you have put here is good but some are bad too. For instance:

So what? Well, it is big thing. It has never happened in Pakistan that army is behind a party and still party lost

***Really? Is it? I thought Musharraf wasn’t COAS anymore?

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Well, when you do not know something than why not first find it out? Let me tell you … in Pakistan, President is head of Army and whatever President does, it does with the backing of army. Otherwise President has no power.

Good people … well, you should know who you are addressing. You are not asking this from good people, you are addressing to characterless liars, murderers, thugs, corrupts, parasites, looters, plunderers, and their similar supporters.

***Calling others name only diminished your own credibility. You’re just bitter because all your predictions and flawed commentary didn’t prove to be right at ALL. Cool down.

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Well, did no one told you that: ‘calling spade a spade does not diminish anyone’s credibility, rather enhance credibility?’ I am only calling Spade a Spade, calling corrupts and thugs what they are. Those I am calling corrupts and thugs (aka NS and Zardari), they are internationally renowned corrupts and thugs.

What winners intend to do is written on the wall. Winners are planning to loot and plunder again but the biggest problem on their way are Presidential guards who under President are ready to hold twist the ears of corrupts if they show their shady characters, so these thugs are now thinking how to overcome this obstacle for their future looting and plundering plans.

*Again, here you go with ur pseudo-analysis and predictions. Assuming makes an a outta you and me. So lets not assume.

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Does truth hurts so much that you are calling it a* :)?*

Well, some juicy things losers left behind is 17 billion dollars foreign exchange reserves, potential to borrow a lot of money as debt to GDP ratio that was 110 percent in 1999 has come down to around 50 percent, booming 75 billion dollars worth Stock Market, tax revenue that increased from 300 billion in 1999 to over 1000 billion rupees, and strong economy that increased from 62 billion dollars in 1999 to 160 billion dollars and thus has plenty for looting and plundering.

I have nothing to say about that.

Yea, it is still too early to say. As long as President’s guards are guarding them, it would be difficult if not impossible to get hands on them

Well, this open media is bad for wealth of any corrupt. Problem is not that media could harm them but problem is that media would be another hungry mouth to feed so that they keep quite. So, such media is bad thing as it would cost corrupts to keep them quite, unless hard techniques are used as Bhutto Senior used to use, but for that a task force like FSF is needed.

*** Media would cost the Govt. money…aaaaaaaaaaaahahahahhahahahaha good one! USA/UK could learn from you. I should forward all your past and future posts to World Economic Forum.

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Yar, kuch tou samjha karo I did not write that it would cost the government. What I wrote is that, it would cost corrupts who would pay media to keep them quite about their loot and plunder. Obviously, you understood that corrupts would be in the government and that is why you wrote that … Media would cost the government … but that is different matter

Stronger in all fronts? What you want? Shooting own foot? Don’t you know that nangi, bhooki, jahil awaam is good for democratic monarchy … err, I mean Demon-crazy.

No comment? hmmm … long live Democratic Monarchy, long live Heir to the throne of Pakistani Democratic Monarchy, Prince Bilawal, future King of Nangay, Bhukay, Jahil Awaam

[Ali_R]

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@PyariCgudia

In 5 years, the "democratic parties" of Pakistan that our ghareeb voted in will undo all the progress made in 5 years.

The only viable option is that they'll make a deal with Musharraf, and what was once PML-Q will now be replaced by PPP and PML-N. Mere puppets to show the world "we're not a military dictatorship", and in exchange if they shutup and sit quiet they can pocket a crapload of cash in the process.

5 years will go by, and Pakistan might still be around, but it wont have gotten any better.

Wait a second? Are you crying over this? How come. You have been so supportive of the previous government now PML-N and PPP take the lead and you start whining? Thats not fair Is It?

[deedawar]

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@zobia

well i guess so far they are having fun :rolleyes:

A large number of political supporters stored up liquor and served it when the election results were announced. A supporter of a PML-Q candidate liquor was served to entertain guests regardless of election result.

Similarly, a PPP supporter said he had purchased genuine liquor, which was used to celebrate victory of their candidate. “We have purchased as many bottles as were available,” he said. He said many bootleggers sold refilled bottles of tainted liquor.

-is quoam kia haal hoga

ya you are right, except for financial stability part because as far as i know pakistan was called the most dangerous place on earth, so i really cant imagine any stable economic figures, whereas asking for “healthy figures” is out of the question.

Ameen

Do you really care what people call Pakistan as most dangerous place on earth? Its a lie.
There are certainly many many more dangerous places on earth unfortunately these days. Please keep your record straight. Thanks.

[deedawar]

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My friends its time to say Kudos to those who participated in election and feel bad and sad for those who chose to be left behind.

The process must go forward. People gave their verdict. Good or bad......at least the system train is on tracks again.

I have a feeling that outsiders who do not like Pakistan or Pakistani will do everything in their power to try to derail the train. People need to be vigilant and work together to keep Pakistan and Pakistani safe. Pakistani people are honorable and no one should have any doubt about it.

[zobia]

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@deedawar

Do you really care what people call Pakistan as most dangerous place on earth? Its a lie. There are certainly many many more dangerous places on earth unfortunately these days. Please keep your record straight. Thanks.

and why would i care about other place when i have no business or anything in those dangerous places.

so yes i really really care about why, when, how someone concluded Pakistan as most dangerous place on earth!

but since you said its a lie, do you have any solid reasoning to backup your claim?