Lets do something for our country

Society Pakistan & World Affairs
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We always complain about problems with pakistan and criticize the social and cultural issues with no end. But as being educated and responsible citizens it our duty to do something about it, not just whine and complain about all these problems.

Lets be part of the solution and not just a spectator. :slight_smile:

To begin with I am going to list down most important areas which need improvement. And then we can suggest ways to improve the situation.

1. Iiteracy
2. Health care
3. Population planning
4. police (general behaviour, law and order)

(there are other areas too and if you consider them more important then please add them, if you have sollution)

Please bear in mind the limitation faced in pakistan, and do consider them when presenting a solution.

  1. Scarce Resources

Pakistan is a poor country. And govt has limited budget for everything. 40% of the population lives bellow poverty line (avg daily income is lees then $1).So do consider it in any sollution.

  1. Corruption

It is an unavoidable reality, though it can be minimized by proper management and innovative ideas. But it is there to stay for some time.

Important consideration

Not everyone in govt. and administration is corrupt, as it is popular belief. Honest people are in large numbers but they dont make to news or headlines because they are not doing any thing unusual.
So dont start your argument as Everyone is corrupt in Pakistan which is a myth and far from reality.

I will present my detailed idea for betterment in some area soon. :slight_smile:

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hmmm

i think charity begins at home...

if each of us resolved to be better citizens, better Muslims, all problems would themselves decrease...

opening a school or hospital..thats also great...but thats not the first step...the first step is to improve ourselves as human beings and ppl...and be a productive part of society...play our role in society properly..

like if you are a postman or a policeman, if u do ur job with dyanatdaari thats a lot there already that u r giving to society

help our family, friends, neighbors, servants..

when we become parents to make sure we give the right tarbeeyat to our kids...

i'm still at that stage and thats why i dont involve myself with higher things right now even tho i consider doing that many times..but i feel like that might be too ambitious and i might spread myself too thin..? dont know...

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Ok we can be good and law abiding citizen, moraly uptight. But that is not going to affect the pathatic situation of literacy and ever exploding bomb of population.

It is easier to criticize the evils in society while enjoying the comfort of our homes. We all do it all the time.

I believe that I should never criticize state of people or an issue, if I can not provide a workable solution.

For example it must be someone’s idea to start lending small amount of money to poor people in Bangladesh and make them self-reliant. And today Gramin Bank is helping millions of people to make respectable living.

And someone must have thought about pakistan’s problem of ililteracy and studied its casuse. So he came with an idea *(http://www.zindagitrust.org/index.htm)

So we should be thinking of posible solutions and how workable they are in our current envirnment.

The basic idea is not to start an NGO. They are doing lot of good work, but how can govt increase its efficiency with already developed infrastructure and funds going down the drain.*

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True a lot of NGO's are doing great work in Pakistan. But a great need is still to motivate people to help themselves.. I have always been interested in working for capacity building in organizations working for helping have-nots in our society.. While in USA I was always trying to get an opportunity back home to get m a job in such an organization..recently I joined a organization (semi-Govt and gerts funding from World Bank) in Lahore and my job is institutional development and a great chunk of our activities is targeted owards social mobilization.. while reamining in govt. ...structure there is a prvision called Citizen Community Boards in new Local Govt setups where govt provided 80 % funding for wide ranging projects if community as a group contributes 20 % share.. but almost all funds are wasted due to lack of awareness.. we r developing projects to make community aware of these things ... If u need any help I am here.. if u have any ideas do let me know. i can try individually and thru my organization..

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Let's do something for Islaam.

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ok.. lets tart with this as its against Islamic prnciples!

http://www.gupistan.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=157082

or start respecting minorities.. great Islamic virtue..

plus all the above issues mentioned by Code_Red come into the fold of Haqooq-ul_ibad and thats more important that Haqooq-Ullah.. so trying for social justice is the best service one can do for Islam..

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Trying for Social Justice is the best thing one can do for Islaam?

According to who?

Peace be upon those who seek the Guidance.

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Degas - Thanks for responding. Yes this local bodies system is new in pakistan and people dont have a clue about it. Also it is qutie complecated to start with.

Earlier there used to be one counselor for one constituency. People select him and they know where he lives. Mostly he is easily aproachable for people. He used to be responsible for helping in small issues like water, sewerage, telephone connections and mostly people go to him for their disputes etc. Either he does some work for ppl and get elected for next term or else bye bye.

Now it is very complicated. More then a dozen ppl are under Nazim and Naib nazim for a small constituency. And people have no clue who is doing what and where to go for their problems.

May be this system is better but we dont know how it works. I dont know what is a labour counselor or lady counselor or other dozens of counselor for.

At-Tawheed As said before, Haqooq-ul-ibaad has more importance in Islam. And Allah can forgive Haqooq-Allah, but not Haqooq-ul-ibaad.

Should I remind you the saying of prophet(saw) about chosing the same thing for your brother, as you chose for your self ?

(If you have any doubt in these saying, then please say so, I shall gladly provide the reference)

If Allah has bestowed his blessing on me and gave me a prosperous life, then it is my duty to think and practically do something about the ways to improve living condition of my brothers and sisters.

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Ok for next few days we shall discuss..

How to improve performance and attitude of Police in Pakistan

Please share, your suggestions and ideas.

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Code Red, I commend you for looking for solutions instead of just posting siht on the problems. IF there are more folks like you, the chqallenges won't seem that grand.

The only problem I see is that you guys are still looking at prqactices from 1500 years ago, in anther part of the world as a model for bettering the situation. In my opinion, this is the root cause of the problem.

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here's a suggestion..

get together.. form some kind of a public task force and uprising and get rid of this damn army.. yeh toaq gardan say utray gaa toa azaadee milay gee..

and then there'll be enough money to go around for all these projects.. no need for trying to collect anna do anna.. when the lukh hazaars are being squandered in GHQ.

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No need to get all emotional * Jazbaati * !

Have a coke or sikanjabeen, be cool, yaani thand programe :cool:

We have big problems, to find a solution we need a cool mind.

Lets do it systematically.

First see if there is some thing good in current police system. As it is more difficult, than finding bad..
Let me think…

… thinking…

Yes there are :ahaa:

Good things

  1. Police knows where the crime is going to take place beforehand :hehe:
    Jokes aside, in reality police does have lots of information about criminal and their gangs. And they can identify them easily.

  2. Police does control most difficult processions and mob realy good Example (Moharram ).

  3. If authorized by higher authorties( agencies) , police can control law and order situation effectively.

  4. Police officers or jawan never compromise on terrorism. i.e they can take bribe for all other crime even for murder but not on terrorism. ( again if agencies are not involved)

  5. In emergenies, police is mostly efficient.

These are some good points which we easily ignore. And never give credit to police for it. Please bring forward any other point about which i am unaware of..

Next we will disscuss the negative points and problems faced by police officers in the line of duty, and their possible solutions. :slight_smile:

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wow ! me important ho gaya :roman:

Thank you :dhimpak: :jhanda:

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[QUOTE]
Originally posted by At-Tawheed: *
Trying for Social Justice is the best thing one can do for *Islaam?

According to who?

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Its according to Quran,

57:25 We sent aforetime our apostles with Clear Signs and sent down with them the Book and the Balance (of Right and Wrong), that men may stand forth in justice..

If its the sole reason for all the messengers and books then I think its the best one can do if he tries to establish justice.

But let not get sidetracked, the role of Police in Pakistan is not that of the one which provides protection and safety to its citizen rather is mere tool of the administration to implement/force its policies on the general masses. If we just start with the grievances people have against police, you will end up opening another forum. But the main question is if the plight of police is so obvious what the administrations have done to correct it? Where are the reforms in Police department?

A far as I know the Police in Pakistan has no proper Federal or Provincial Act under which it works. Its widely known that the Police works under "copy" of some British police Act, established in 30's. The last reforms, which were tried, were in early 50'. The current administration is trying hard to come up with some reforms for the last two years, but nothing can be seen on ground.

I think the most important thing is the perception of police in public. It’s a general believe in Pakistan that to get justice, police is not a good source. Or if you want to get justice, you have to buy the police to work for you. So the police in Pakistan needs more than reform and Acts, it requires overhaul.

More later..

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[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by MiniMe: *

Its according to Quran,

But let not get sidetracked, the role of Police in Pakistan is not that of the one which provides protection and safety to its citizen rather is mere tool of the administration to implement/force its policies on the general masses. If we just start with the grievances people have against police, you will end up opening another forum. But the main question is if the plight of police is so obvious what the administrations have done to correct it? Where are the reforms in Police department?

A far as I know the Police in Pakistan has no proper Federal or Provincial Act under which it works. Its widely known that the Police works under "copy" of some British police Act, established in 30's. The last reforms, which were tried, were in early 50'. ** The current administration is trying hard to come up with some reforms for the last two years, but nothing can be seen on ground. **
I think the most important thing is the perception of police in public. It’s a general believe in Pakistan that to get justice, police is not a good source. Or if you want to get justice, you have to buy the police to work for you. So the police in Pakistan needs more than reform and Acts, it requires overhaul.

More later..
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The current administration might not have some genius like us. :)
They need our help.

Please do point out the gray area and suggest viable and practical solution.

You have rightly pointed out that perception of police is bad and should improve. please elaborate the steps govt should take to rectify this problem

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Firstly, I apologise if I offended anyone.

: )

The reason why the Messengers were sent is for Tawheed. Their message was Believe in Allaah and avoid the Taaghoot.

You want Social Justice?

You need Sharee’ah. That is the only way.

Get rid of the False Gods in our lands and apply the Laws of Tawheed.

And, the reason why I said do something for Islaam is because as an Ummah we are ONE, as stated by the Messenger of Allaah – sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam.

How will you establish Social Justice with man made laws which are ruling the country of Pakistan and its army and police officers are judging by these laws.

Anyways the ’Ayah you mentioned:

Indeed We have sent Our Messengers with clear proofs, and revealed with them the Scripture and the Mizan (balance) that mankind may keep up justice. And We brought forth iron wherein is mighty power (in matters of war), as well as many benefits for mankind, that Allâh may test who it is that will help Him (His religion), and His Messengers in the unseen. Verily, Allaah is All-Strong, All-Mighty. (Al-Hadeed :25)

See? The way to get Justice is by Tawheed. We have to Judge by the Book of Allaah.

And the Muffassireen said about “..that mankind may keep up justice”

It means “truth and fairness that is found in the obedience of the Messengers, in all that they conveyed from their Lord, and following all they commanded. Surely, what the Prophets brought forth is the truth, beyond which there is no truth.”

So, like I said, Sharee’ah is the only way.

Peace be upon those who seek the Guidance.

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reading this thread i'm sure we'll find the "real" problems facing the country.. and surprisingly enough they may be none of the ones pointed out by Code.

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At-Tawheed No need to apologise :flower2:.

You are saying it 100% right. All problems will automatically solve with correct implementation of shariah. But our 70 % population is illiterate and don’t have a clue how to go about it. So we first need to learn how to read and write, and then read and understand what quran and prophet (pbuh) told about the way of life. Only than we will be able to try implementing shariah.

Are you following what I am saying. ? :slight_smile: See for example if I want to drive a car, I have to learn it first. Without that I will be dangerous for myself and lot of innocent people on the road. In that case I will also destroy an excellent and perfect car ** and I will be responsible**

So if I have made myself clear, please share your thoughts how to make people literate so that we shall be able to implement shariah. :flower1:

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oho itna rola kyun dala hoa hae logo

just make me the prime minister, mein mulk ka boht bhala karoon gi

mulk ka naheen to apna to kar hi loon gi :p

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Ok. Getting back to topic.

Good things about police are listed. I dont think we need to list down the problems with police. This will make a long list. now I want to do a comparison.

** Jawaan of police Vs Jawaan of Army**

(jawan = non-commitioned officer, constable , sipahi etc)

Why there is difference of attitude, level of corruption, sense of duty between the two ?