Let us come up with constructive ides for fighting terrorism

See if you know the reasons, then administration must be knowing that too, in fact we all know what you mentioned. Then why no one is doing anything about it?

90% of the root cause of any terrorism stemms from a weak and corrupt internal administration. Why do you think that world is worried because Pakistan is a nuclear power? It’s not because world thinks that one day Pakistan would officially declare a nuclear war against some nation. It’s because they think that because of weak and corrupt administration, some terrorist group can get hold of a nuclear weapon.

Another recent example is killing of Osama inside Pakistan by U.S.forces. why do you think U.S.did not share intelligence with our agencies, or did not ask them to conduct the operation? It’s not because of logistics, it’s because of lack of confidence.

Our govt needs to fix herself, terrorism will go away. It went away in Indian Punjab, it’s gone in North Ireland, Tamil tigers are gone I think, KKK is almost gone. Why? We need to figure it out ourselves.

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bana lo jitnay laws bananay hayn, sab "banana" ho jayen gai jab "enforce" nahi hon gai.

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The problem with NS & military is that they don't really see religious based terrorism as a major threat to the country. The entire security establishment that exist today & every member of NS cabinet came out Zia's era. They all live insulated in a bubble.

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^ extending the same argument, NS is even in electoral alliance with the same terrorist organizations we are discussing here. There are reports that he used to give monthly stipend to LeJ terrorist, Malik Ishaq. His CJ even let go Malik Ishaq go scottfree.

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  1. shun the policy of strategic assets, the differentiation between good and bad taleban needs to go. Consider all terrorists as enemies of the state and act against them indiscriminately.

  2. any political and religious parties having soft corners (those who create confusions) for terrorists should be banned from participating in politics.

  3. formation of anti terror force.

  4. A centralised mechansim is required for better coordination between provincial and national intelligence agencies. I believe this organisation is called NACTA in Pakistan and is being activated.

  5. revamping the curriculum of madrasahs.

  6. improvement of relations with our neighbours particularly Afghanistan and India.

  7. halting the money trail (which in most cases is through gulf countries) towards the extremists

  8. changes in the evidence laws (forensic evidence needs to be included in investigations), and protection for witnesses and judges. I think we could go towards hearing of cases behind closed doors (in jails). It’s important to punish the murderers who have the blood of thousands of people on their hands. Not even one murderer has been punished during the past 10 years.

  9. changes in constitution to being all areas of the country under the constitution. There’s no room of having different rules in FATA (FCR). Similarly the reasons for alienation of settled areas (like Balochistan) need to be addressed. All areas of the country should have the confidence that they are equal stake holders in the country.

  10. rapid development in impoverished areas. I think industrial zones should be created there to bring those areas at par with other developed areas.

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Can we email it to him in forms of letter/open letter, etc?

Here is a rough draft I started it out..lets come up with more ideas.

[quote]
Dear Mr. Prime Minster,
We the citizen of this country and expatriates Pakistanis from around the world has seen our country torn apart by religious and sectarian terrorists over the last decade. What is even sadder is that state’s total failure to control terrorisms or effective strategy to deal with terrorists. Today, terrorists can strike and kill (as they do every week) at will, and state seems helpless to deal with them. Recently Dawn reported that you want a counter terrorism strategy drafted by August 13, 2013. We have compiled list of suggestions that may be useful to you.

1) Anyone charged with terrorism cannot be released on bail by any court
2) Anyone charged with terrorism must be tried in a security court (s) under uniform code of military justice
3) Anyone knowingly helping terrorists must also be tried in security courts.
4) Pressuring Arab countries to stop funding terrorism in Pakistan
5) Coming up with tangible plan to control movement of people on Afghan border & possibly mining and fencing the border where possible
6) Controlling madrassas & enforcing strict govt approved curriculum in religious schools.
7) Going after banned groups without mercy.
8) Mandatory death penalty for terrorism related cases.
10) Going after terrorists hiding in the tribal belt.
11) Revamping the police force. Start with raising the bar for people who get selected as police officers, and make police an independent and respected institution
12) Make anti-terror forces in each province.
13) Secure the jails!
1) Declare them non-muslims: Those who take the responsibility of killing people in the holy months when bloodshed is haram, kill people in mosques, funerals etc., call many groups of Muslims and even our soldiers as kaafirs, should be declared non-Muslims by our parliament.

2) Revoke the citizenship: Those who condone these acts, justify them or refuse to condemn them should have their citizenship revoked and kicked out of this country. Their property confiscated and distributed among the affected.

3) Upgrade Police training: It has been almost a decade since we started facing the terrorist activities like suicide bombings in regular succession. Police force seemed to have learned no lesson whatsoever. They are ill-trained to face the menace. I get infuriated when i see them standing in herds (many policemen standing together) without taking proper position and without any strategy to apprehend the attacker and minimize losses.

4) There should be a shadow police force whose members are chosen with strict scrutiny with their background and affiliations. This force remain invisible to the general public and work silently towards their goal of fighting terrorists

5) Sentences to the convicted terrorists should be dished out swiftly so that they don't feel like 'untouchables' anymore.

6) Cut funding to organizations and madrisas from Saudi and any other state known for funding terrorists

7) In any incident of terrorism, there are usually points of security lapse. These should not be overlooked and properly, timely investigated and culprits should be apprehended.

8) Use of materials, chemicals commonly employed in making bombs should be limited and strictly scrutinized

9) People using mosques, madrisas etc for spreading hatred against other groups, communities should be put behind bars.

10) Intelligence agencies are still working well but their work is not properly followed up by police and other institutions. Intelligence reports should be taken seriously and effective preemptive measures taken.

Sincerely,

Concerned Citizens
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Thats more of a GHQ's policy. Its the military that see Taliban and other jihadi groups as strategic assets & I'm not sure if any civilian leader can do much about it.

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This is the biggest reason for confusion among the people. How can some groups be good and other similar groups be bad? Whats the guarantee that the good groups today wont turn their guns towards the state tomorrow? These groups (strategic asssets) will never let Pakistans relationship improved in the region.

One such group (LeJ) might be in the don't care list at the moment as they are not attacking the army but we know their adventures to stoke sectarian conflict. I think it's about time the government give the military a shut up call to mind their business and do what they are paid for.

In any case what ever we are facing today is the blow back of using strategic assets to achieve our foreign policy objectives. Without reversing this policy how do we expect to curb this menace?

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I believe this thread is appropriate for this article, as the areas where operations have been fought need to be rebuilt to ensure that they do not fall into the laps of extremists again.

Bitter fruit: A post-operation Swat - DAWN.COM

Despite the 2009 military operation in Swat that was seen by many as a success story against extremist militancy, getting their lives back together has been an ordeal for Swatis like Khairullah Khan. Swat is a deeply enriched region which proves profitable for fruit farmers like Khairullah, who specialise in growing apples. However, in the past four years, his revenue has decreased dramatically.

This adversity has been seen as the consequence of the long-term conflict between the Pakistan Army and Taliban militants that the valley has been witness to. To add to this, the resulting security measures taken by the army have also proved to be a deterrent in transporting the fruit produce.

Speaking to Dawn.com, Khairullah explains that the aftermath of this conflict is responsible for disrupting the entire cycle of fruit production. As is to be expected, a confrontation on that scale would, and did alter the shape of infrastructure in the region. This has led to broken roads and destroyed bridges which previously linked the farmers to marketplaces.

Experts had forewarned that neglecting the socio-economic development of the region, despite the success of the military operation, would conclude in the reversal of gains made by the military to restore the region back to normalcy. According to Khan, one of the greatest factors contributing to this decrease in fruit production is that due to this clash, farmers were not given total autonomy over their land for a single complete season. Additionally, due to security reasons, the army troops had chopped down many orchards in the Matta area of the valley.

“After the military operation started we left Swat and this led to our orchards being unattended for many months. The army also removed many orchards for security reasons.”
Admittedly, in the recent past, some international NGOs and the army did initiate rebuilding projects in the region, however, it was not enough to help increase the supply of fruit to bring down the cost.

“It (the construction of roads) has not been done on the same scale as required,” says Khairullah Khan.

Swat’s economy is almost completely dependent on fruit production, “out of Swat’s population of 2 million, at least 1.4 million people are associated with agriculture and around 60 per cent of the agriculturists are associated with the production of fruit,” said Fazle Maula Zahid of the Aryana Institute of Agriculture Research (AIAR), an NGO based in Swat.

In simple math, the reduction in supply will lead to an increase in prices if demand remains the same or increases. This is what was seen in Islamabad where Swat-grown peaches are being sold at Rs. 150-200 per kilogram. The month of Ramadan also added heavily to the cost. In 2002, the recorded price for Swati peaches was noted to be between Rs. 60-90 per kilogram in Islamabad and Rawalpindi.

“In 2013, Swat saw a production output of 250,000 tons of peaches which is a drastic increase from the 40,000-50,000 tons in 2002,” says Fazle Maula. The increase in production of peaches is due to the fact that farmers opted to grow peaches instead of apples. This meant that in 2002 farmers were, in retrospect, getting a better price per carton of produce compared with recent times.

“In 2002, a farmer was getting Rs. 200-250 per carton of peaches, which was a very good price, keeping in view the constant depreciation of the rupee in the local and international markets. Retrospectively, 2009 was the worst year for Swati farmers as they got Rs. 150-200 for each carton,” said Fazle Maula.

According to him, due to the fall in value of the rupee and the freight charges to different parts of the country due to tumultuous transportation, ‘even Rs. 500 is not enough’ to cover the cost for the producer.

According to Matiullah Khan, a horticulture expert associated with Swat Horticulture Institute, “there was a strategic reason behind the militants destroying all the roads and bridges during the conflict. And the post-operation Swat continues to suffer from the effects of this; farmers in particular, are finding it impossible to transport their produce to the market.”

And if, the Taliban had not already done enough damage, heavy floods devastated the Kohistan, Swat region three years ago, washing away most link bridges over the Swat River.

“Prior to the conflict, a truck used to charge Rs. 30,000 for transporting fruit from Matta to Rawalpindi, now, the same truck charges around Rs. 50,000,” added Matiullah Khan.

Another crisis in the fruit production cycle of the Swat valley, generated by the operation against militancy, is that most of the skilled labour associated with fruit production in Swat has migrated to various cities, where they had settled during the operation and are now not willing to come back to resume their old jobs.

“After the conflict, the expert labour force has migrated to cities in the lower part of the country where they are getting better salaries. They have shifted to Karachi, Peshawar, Lahore, Islamabad and all over Punjab” said Matiullah Khan.

He explains that there are numerous technical tasks in the fruit production cycle which an unskilled labourer cannot perform, “for instance, fruit picking is a technical job which an ordinary labourer cannot perform as fruits can get damaged during the picking process. Similarly, packaging and grading are technical jobs as well,” said Matiullah Khan.

Matiullah Khan told Dawn.com that a large portion of the labour force of Swat has seen a southward migration and the few who are still available in the valley are charging high labour fees.

All this has introduced a new trend in the marketing patterns for the Swat fruit industry, stated Matiullah Khan.

“Many farmers now have little choice but to send out their family members to the lower parts of the country to sell their fruit, thus eliminating the role of the middle man to try and make a profit.”

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That should be the only suggestion to PM to curb terrorism in Pakistan. Rest are just white wash will not stop terrorism in Pakistan. All recommendations will be useless, waste of time and money in absence of above.