Since the JI thugs were responsible for the emergence of the MQM as a major political group, it would be best to let them wipe each other out for good which is precisely what they are doing right now, killing each others leaders or plotting assasination attempts. JI has been responsible for brewing religious hatred amongst the people, and the MQM has had their own bloody agenda for so long. Since they are up against each other, let them just kill each other, and we will get rid of these bas@##ds for good! The Government should just sit back and enjoy the show.
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what about the innocent ppl caught in the crossfire. Its easy for us to say sitting here but for someone living there it becomes a huge issue if city wide terror casmpaigns are being run by such groups. I still recall the days when the diff factions of MQM were duking it out.
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I agree Mr. f, but if you look at the recent attempts, they are solely aimed at these big shot political leaders from both parties. Its a little different from how the MQM would go on killing spree like they used to in the 90s, and how the JI normally uses mob violence to kill people.
These assasination attempts from both sides will continue, unless the Government mediates and chalks something out b/w the two.
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If they wipe each other out, something worse might come in to take their place! Better they work together somehow then against each other.. No?
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I find it strange that JI actually has a lot of Mohajir members, who are really quite anti MQM.
In Karachi its seems more like a battle between Religous Mohajirs of JI, and non Religous Mohajirs of MQM...
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PP, the MQM has always failed when it comes to alliances. They have failed alliances with both the PPP and PML, at the time the latter were at their peaks. Even though the JI is better in this regards, they have a history of failure too. Its best if the leadership of the two parties just crumbles, sort of what happened to the PML[N].
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Lets see... But its gonna cause a lot more trouble in the process, specially on those college campuses. Better to have something to fill the vacuum first.
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spock
I am againsy vigilante "justice", political killings, etc first on priniple, second, people get caught in cross fire and are impacted personally and directly, and third even if people are not in the cross fire directly, the instability, atmosphere of fear and general impact on the psyche of the population is not good and it reflects in people's ability to live lives as they would want to.
getting rid of such goons is not the job of other goons, no matter how we may wish for it, it is teh job of the law enforcement to contain these elements.
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First of all to assume JI is responsible for the creation of mqm is incorrect. Secondly, killing each other does not solve anything, it only deepens the fissures, hatred and polarize the political environment.
Only solution is democracy, respecting the majority mandate and then creating a popular political setup.
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sadly our version of democracy is dummy-cracy with our same set of names fooling one segment of the population and forcing another one to vote for them. and then democracy is not just howa person gets into office but whatthe person does when in office.
I am all for democracy, a real democracy in pakistan, where people stop voting merely on slogans and platforms such as "shaheed (aka bhutto) kay khoon ka badla" type of crap
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^ No..that is wrong wrong wrong..it is not just a matter of a person getting into office. It is about the ability of people to select that person and then having the ability to remove him/her if they don't live up to expectations. That is what pakistan needs.
Just because you get a bad leader doesn't mean the army has to come to save the people. Give th epeople some credit...they will believe in democracy if they get a change to experience it without interference from the military.
In my opinion, Pakistanis want things to be handed to them. They are not willing to take the risks of establishing institutions that can have lasting and redeeming positive imprint on the country. The economy grows in fits and stops, there is no real long term sector that can propel growth. The military owns the largest share of th epublic an dprivate economies through spvs. Military gets bought out by foreign interests on a constant cyclical basis. Economic growth is a function of high cost of capital. etc..etc..etc..
tell me, if this is the prevailing paradigm, why shouldn't pakistanis want a regime change?
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not just the ability of the people to select and remove, but ability of people to do so freely without someone coercing them, and by making educated decisions.
anyways the topic is about JI and MQM wars, so back to JI and MQm.
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^ that comes with experience Fraudiya. Democracy has a tendency to make people smarter through options.
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P Diddy..I don't think the people want everything handed to them..but Pakistan unlike India has a ruling class which believes that democracy is intrinsically bad and discredits political groups and personalities at every opportunity..when Fraudz mentioned how he remembers the MQM factions were duking it out..he is probably not aware of how that second faction was "manufactured".
As far as the JI and MQM turf war is concerned, it seems pretty obvious who will win, the MQM does represent the Karachi populace despite the inroads the MMA has made.. also the MQM has been anointed by Mush..as fas as both parties destroying themselves go..I doubt that, both groups have extremely dedicated workers (in the long run it seems the MQMs graph is in decline though...)
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what about the innocent ppl caught in the crossfire. QUOTE]
Its called collateral damage
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true