I watched a documentry on tv a few weeks ago on heera mandi. They told the history and interviewed various singers, dancers and prostitutes there one of them (old lady ,a prostitue in the past )while answering a question said
"Allah ka shukar hai, larkeyaan time lagati hain… do waqt ki izzat ki roti asaani se mil jaati hai, Rab ka shukar hia kisi ke agey haath nahi phelana parta "
(We are grateful to God, girls earn respectable income, we dont have to beg )
So my question how do you judge a lesser evil, if you have only two options ? Islamically !
Codey: you tell us what do u want to read as our response :)?
u asked for how do we see the difference b/w two evils... I quoted from Quran that everyone shall see the consequences regardless of intensity and severity..
then again you have compared everything to Theft as if Theft is the only bigger evil... in fact you compared many bigger evils like RIBA, Robbery and Zina to theft... is theft bigger than begging or less if you think that theft is lesser...?
The fact is that islamic laws close down all ways of doing things that are haraam. It is very unfortunate that people who call themselves muslims do these haraam acts because islamic laws are not implemented properly.
To eliminate poverty islam has zakaat and sadaqah. Zakaat is obligatory and is to be given to only the eight types of people specified in the Quran and these categories include fuqaraa and masakeen.
And generally speaking the main reason when haraam becomes halaal is when one has to choose between doing something haraam and death.
There’s an example in the time of Umar radiAllahuanhu when a man was caught stealing bread but his hands were not cut because the area was inflicted with a famine. I think there’s a hadeeth which backs up the decision by Umar but I am not 100% sure. The fact is that the man was compelled to steal because of the famine, and the punishment for stealing was not handed out to him.
So Islamic laws take into account all of these things.
I think I’ve read this somewhere that if a Muslim woman is being raped then she is allowed to commit suicide because she is preventing herself from being involved in something haraam, and she wouldn’t be committing suicide because she is sick of her life.
Anyways, Islam does not allow the practise of doing something haraam just because there isn’t money in the pocket. Because Allah tells us in the Quran in Surah Bani Israel, that our children and our wealth are a test for us. So he can test us by lots of wealth and/or children or by keeping wealth and/or children from us.
It is better to keep Islamic law out of reference, when ‘you think’, you have heard , you watched , you read…
There is no such thing in Islam. And frankly it would be quite an insult to common sense to even suggest so, better advice would be to kill the monster (rapist ) if she can :k:
u asked for how do we see the difference b/w two evils... I quoted from Quran that everyone shall see the consequences regardless of intensity and severity..
then again you have compared everything to Theft as if Theft is the only bigger evil... in fact you compared many bigger evils like RIBA, Robbery and Zina to theft... is theft bigger than begging or less if you think that theft is lesser...?
No I did not mean that theft is only bigger evil. That is what i am aksing which is bigger evil according to Islam ? Theft as a common evil, so taken for comparison.
So if a person is in dire need of money and only option available is loan with ineterest. Should he take it or plan stealing that money from someone's house ?
its not like that they have n oother option....
they just dont want to change their ways....
u ask a beggar and he will be thanking God that atleast he is begging and not selling his/her honor or doing kabeerah gunaah to earn his living....
beggars, thieves, prostitutes all can earn (maye to a much lesser extent) thru hardwork, but once they get used to easy money, they dont want to work harder to earn much less....
no matter how they justify it, its all haram; no lesser evil in it, its all disobeience of Allah....
I do not think Lajjo meant that bollywood is the reason of prostitution.. what he meant is that taking pride in this profession is certainly a trait passed down by bollywood stories.
"Allah ka shukar hai, larkeyaan time lagati hain... do waqt ki izzat ki roti asaani se mil jaati hai, Rab ka shukar hia kisi ke agey haath nahi phelana parta "
(We are grateful to God, girls earn respectable income, we dont have to beg )
Before we met out any punishments in this case, I think it is the State's responsibility to educate them about the Islamic perspective on this because we obviously they do know about Allah, secondly they should be provided an alternate means of living through Zakah and Sadaqah and third prostituion should be eliminated by force.
Begging theft ?
Earning through Riba (interest) theft ?
Paying Interest theft ?
Broad day Robbery theft ?
Prostitution theft ?
1 - Begging does not carry punishment and can be overcome if properly Islamic means are applied to it i.e. Zakah and Sadaqah. Theft obviously carries a punishment, which could be relieved under special circumstances depending on the context of the theft. In either case it needs to be determined whether the actions were caused by a genuine reason.
2 - Theft can happen even in an Islamic state however Riba should not be allowed in the system, so who deserves the first blame in this case, I would say the government for giving the people such an option. And then goes the saying the leader of a community can lead his people straight into hell.
3 - What is the point of comparison here. One is a liability and the other an asset. Both are haram but I do not see how someone would end up choosing between the two on one occasion.
4 - What is the difference here?
5 - I would have said get married in this case than resort to prostitution, however again this goes back to the responsibility of the Islamic state and its individuals.
I do not see much sense in the comparisons you are trying to make though.
"Allah ka shukar hai, larkeyaan time lagati hain... do waqt ki izzat ki roti asaani se mil jaati hai, Rab ka shukar hia kisi ke agey haath nahi phelana parta "
(We are grateful to God, girls earn respectable income, we dont have to beg )
So my question how do you judge a lesser evil, if you have only two options ? Islamically !
Begging theft ?
Earning through Riba (interest) theft ?
Paying Interest theft ?
Broad day Robbery theft ?
Prostitution theft ?
They are all sins, we cannot simply judge based on OUR views on which is lesser evil. In fact the real evil is to find out the lesser evil and adopt it, IMO. People have created justifications for their actions citing "its lesser of the evils" as the reason when they want to kill someone, steal, rob, pay interest etc.
Let's clear this up, a sin is simply sin, doesn't matter how big or how small it is. It's for sure that Allah has swere punishments for Kabeerh sins and less swere punishments for Sageerh sins. But at the end of the day, we're simply making Allah Subhaanhu Wa Ta'ala angry doesn't matter whether it's stealing or begging.
heera mandi is indeed a great evil doesn't matter if those grils have choice or not. They're simply committing sins and doing haram. Just for money, they're selling their imaan, and diginity. Why do we always forget what Allah Subhaanhu Wa Ta'ala says, (interpertation of the meaning)
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O ye who believe! seek help with patient perseverance and prayer; for Allah is with those who patiently persevere.(Surah Baqra, 153)
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How is everyone? . Allah Tallah and his Hadrat Muhammed (Peace Be Upon Him) like the upper hand better than bottom hand. Meaning a person who is giving something is better than a person who is taking.
