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Though it is not widespread now (likewise wifesharing) but the point is that these things are also spreading to upper middle class / middle class as well because the upper class is seen as the epitome as how one should be "hip" and "stylish".
People who believe that upperclass doesn't affect Pakistani's society and culture at all are naive and need to get out of their cuckoo's nest!
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Fornication is more punishable in Islam than masturbation is (haven’t seen yet if there is any punishment for it? but maybe I am wrong)..
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lesbianism and gayism doesnt have to do with social class. It maybe that those belonging to the upper class do it openly which is how u got to find out about it and witness it, whereas people from villages etc are secretive about it. The girls cuddling and cooing in my college were primarily paindu types who were definitely not from rich westernised families.
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That was in Pakistan?
where???
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the cuddling stuff?
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No cooing, kissing everything?
Or anything?
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FF, I had a similar experience too. Even though it was for one summer, it really did open my eyes about women.
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What were u doing in a girls college dopey? 
I think FG college for women in F-7/1 was rich when it came girls cuddling up. The spot for it…as soon as u enter the maingate their was a ground to the right, at the farthest end of the ground and around the corner, thats where u’d have girls laying around doing stuff. As for boarding, both ICG and FG hostels had a few here and there…and there 
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guy1 u sound like someone from "Rancho lane" in karachi.
with oil in your hair and hair slicked back to look like its gel.
tight black muscle shirt (w/o) muscles ofcourse
tight brown pants.
and luv to discuss lesbians from "cream" of karachi... and get hot
basically call anywoman who is not middle class, easternized, burka toting, houseworking, non-shifted...a slut..... but still have all the info on them and befriend them.....:D
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In Islamabad?
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yep.
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I gotta visit that place.. :D
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I spent a semester and summer at Bryn mawr college. It's a women's college in PA. Experienced everything you mentioned in your post. Was surprised to see how intimate and comfortable straight girls were with their lesbian friends (unimaginable among men). Also met a LOT of straight women who had turned lesbians during those four-years, and later switched back into being straight with BFs. Amazing spectacle. Made me realize that most women are really huggy feely, nurtury type of people, and will try get affection and love from anyone--men or women--who will give it to them.
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How did you get into an all-women college in the first place?
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well femme dear,its all about diff of opinion.... although i do agree tht middle class and poor r no exception....as cable,easy availablity of adult movies have made youngsters stupid as hell.... but i will back my point tht illegal sex of any kind is much more common in upper class liberal parties...i have witnessed tht..so i know wht i m talking abt
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How come no one has found this disturbing?!!! 
By that logic husbands own their wives
Truly horrible!!!
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Well, the last thing I read was Mughal’s condom theory…If that were the case then people who had sex while wearing condoms were not having sex at all…Condoms are an artificial preventive method, hence don’t count…
Apart from some of the filmi and melodramatic posters, like the one above me, many raise a few good points…
I have to agree with Guy1 on some issues regarding lesbianism…It is now more of a status symbol to be seen with someone of the opposite sex, like a few years ago it was drinking…
Nothing raised the status and prestige of a person in society more if he admitted to having drank…It was like some big intitiation ceremony thing, where if you have become drunk once in your life in Pakistan, you are in…:k:
And nowhere did I experience it more than in the confused, aimless and desperate masses of those who considered themselves as being in the upper echelons of society…The more sins or wrongs you did, the more ‘in’ you were…
Reminds me of a Hadith, when during the last times, people will compete to see who has done more sins and who has done more wrongs…Lesbianism is indeed a trademark of the ‘liberal’ women…
They follow the logic, that since women in the west are liberalised, they can be lesbians, hence we can say that liberalised women are lesbians…Since we can’t be anything else, let’s be lesbians…
I will agree to FF and admit to having making a very broad and generalised statement…That it’s all the rage…It’s not I admit…
However, my source was quite descriptive…
I have come to the conclusion, that indeed a time has come when we are indeed vying for sins and sins have become a status symbol…The more exotic the sin, the higher the appreciation for a person…
Lesbianism, however it may be, will always still be far more acceptable than gayism, because of the ‘conquest’ issue…I know for a fact, many men will have no issue with their wives having been former lesbians, for in reality their virginity may still be intact than women having having men who were gays…For that same psychological, ‘conquest’ issue…No women would like a ‘conquered’ man…
Add to that the outright, indubious and strict prohibition of being gay in our faith, it is only a matter of time before gayism is accepted in our lifestyles…
Funny thing is, once in a thread about gays, I defended the society’s act of punishing gays for their lurid acts…(I still do)…And I was labelled as an intolerant Mullah…
In this thread when I admit to religiously there nothing being written specifically about lesbianism or my ambuigity about its lewdness, the same people are questioning my faith…
Wallahi, I love it…
Still, do not take this thread as my acceptance of lebianism as an OK act…I may bizarrely not find anything wrong with it out of ignorance, doesn’t mean there is nothing wrong with it…It is an aberrant act and all aberrant acts carry with it some sort of consequences…
Wallahoalam…
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This is such a boring topic. I read the title and nver clicked on it. Just now I've clicked on it only to say how boring I find the title alone. I havent read a single post in this thread. Old & boring
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^^
You are the coolest person on Gupshup TNWB...You got class...
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It all boils down to your male dominated machoism.
Gay = sexual orientation to persons of the same sex (male or female). Sex = behavior that manifests from sexual urges. So lesbian sex cannot be classified any differently than sex between males, particularly in a religious context. Your definition is based on the machismo that requires a woman to be a virgin and does not take into consideration the feelings that go with the sexual acts.
The exhange of bodily fluids have never been the definition of sex. It’s just a way for a man to justify the fact that he does not want a woman who has had intercourse with another man. Perhaps because he won’t ‘measure’ up.