Leaked Pakistani report confirms high civilian death toll in CIA drone strikes

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suspicion, speculation blah blah

Eight killed in NWA drone attack

MIRANSHAH: Eight persons were killed when a US drone fired two missiles at a house in the mountainous Shawal valley of the North Waziristan tribal region on Sunday.

Tribal sources said the drone hit a three-room structure where some people, suspected to be militants, were having an Iftar dinner.There was also** speculation** that four of the slain people were foreign fighters.

“They were all having an Iftar dinner in the compound when the drone fired two missiles. A group of militants arrived and started pulling out the bodies after an hour when the drone had disappeared,” a tribesman said.The tribesman said local tribal militants later told them that four among the slain militants were Arab fighters.

Government officials also confirmed the drone strike and said it took place in the remote forest-covered Shawal valley near the Afghan border where the militants usually set up sanctuaries in summer.

“The weather in Shawal remains very pleasant during summer and that’s why most of the militant groups, particularly foreigners, shift their camps to this remote region,” one of the officials said in Miranshah, headquarters of North Waziristan.

There was no immediate information about the identity of the slain militants.There has been a significant decline in US drone strikes in the tribal areas along the Afghan border during the past few months, apparently due to the strong protest by the new government.

Besides foreign militants, top Pakistani militant commanders, including Commander Nek Mohammad, Baitullah Mehsud, Qari Hussain, Maulvi Nazeer, Ilyas Kashmiri and Maulana Waliur Rahman, have been killed in drone strikes.

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3 more killed (possibly more) today coinciding with the bomb blast in peshawar.

US drone kills three in Pakistan - DAWN.COM

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Naming the Dead is a project run by the Bureau of Investigative Journalism, a not-for-profit research organisation based in London.

The project aims to identify those killed in CIA drone strikes on Pakistan.

Over the past nine years, the tribal region of Pakistan’s north west has been hit by hundreds of drone attacks as the CIA has sought to stamp out al Qaeda fighters and the militant groups that have given them shelter.

Missiles launched from these high-tech, unmanned aircraft have hit homes, cars, schools, shops and gatherings. At least 2,500 people have been killed, according to data already collected by the Bureau as part of our wider Covert Drone War research.

Senior US officials have described drones as highly precise weapons that target and kill enemies of the US. John Brennan, who oversaw the development of the drone campaign and is now director of the CIA, has called drone technology an ‘essential tool’ for its ‘surgical precision – the ability, with laser-like focus, to eliminate the cancerous tumour called an al Qaeda terrorist while limiting damage to the tissue around it.’

Those killed by drones include high-ranking militant leaders – figures such as Abu Yahya al Libi, al Qaeda’s feared second-in-command, or Baitullah Mehsud, commander of the Pakistan Taliban (TTP).

But according to credible media reports analysed by the Bureau, the dead also include at least 400 civilians. Some were unlucky enough to be nearby when militants were attacked. Others were killed alongside their husbands or fathers, who were believed to be militants. Still others were mistaken for terrorists by drone operators sitting thousands of miles away.

In most cases, there is little information available about who the drones are really killing. Most of the dead – an estimated four-fifths of those killed – are believed to be militants. But their deaths are typically reported as a number – their names, origins and livelihoods remain a mystery.

For so many people to die in obscurity, unnamed and unacknowledged, is a tragedy. But it is a further tragedy that the public, and even policy makers, are unable to properly test whether drones are ‘highly precise weapons’ when so little is known about who is actually dying.

Through Naming the Dead, the Bureau aims to increase the transparency around this conflict and inform the public debate. Initially this project will record all names published in open-source material – in credible reports by journalists, in legal documents presented in court, in academic studies and in field investigations carried out by human rights groups.

In the future, the Bureau aims to identify more of the dead on a regular basis, and to uncover more details of those who have been killed. Where possible we will provide further identification – where they were killed, and their occupations, full names and ages.

In the remote areas of Pakistan where drone strikes take place, official identification is rare. Few people possess identification cards, birth certificates, or even documents recording their relatives’ deaths. But wherever possible this project will provide documentation recording a person’s death.

Photographs of the destruction of a particular site are included in the database. Affidavits, photos, hospital records, student identification and transcripts of interviews with researchers are all provided when available. Over time, the Bureau aims to build on such currently scarce records in an attempt to properly scrutinise the little that is reported, and the claims being made – on all sides.

http://NamingTheDead.org

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What I don't get is why has Pakistan just given up on the Waziristan to be run by Taliban? Are we worse than Afghanistan....?

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Hedging bets in Afghanistan doesn't matter if Pakistan burns.

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400 civilians casualties and most of them who were relatives living with the militants. The drones attacks are basically pin pointed targets based on informations provided by secret agencies. The drones are night mare for militants which making them living and move like rats. This is the only possible stregety to hit the enemy hard. This is the rats who make their families living with them and used them as human shelter.

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Well done Pak army, establishment, intelligence,security forces :lajawab:

Agr aap log CIA ko support ni krein gay n US drones ni maar sake ga tou aap sb khao gay kahan se ??? bahana tou yehi hai na k hm war mein sath hain !

I wonder TTP k dehshat gardo ko marne k liye ye sb kia jata hai n is chakkker mein directly or indirectly killing innocent kids women etc jin ka koi qusur hi ni
And I wonder phr yehi army n all khud hi ki bichayi hui baroodi surungun k phatne se shaheed b ho jate hain !!!

Knse shaheed hain ye ???

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Most of the drone strikes are against those groups who have agreement with pak army.

karlo gal.

The Long War Journal - Charts on US Strikes in Pakistan

Out of 23 strikes in 2013 only 2 against mehsud(part of mehsud for TTP)

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380 CIA drone strikes on Pakistan, from 2004 to present

2,536-3,631 People reported killed in drone strikes in Pakistan

641 Identified people reported killed in drone strikes

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In un identfied add 2000 Uzbeks chichanies etc

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it was such a shame to hear Choudary Nisar lie to the whole nation that less than 5 % of those killed by Drone are innocent civilians... the rulers are lying upon more lies just to protect their paymasters in the White house.. and expect the nation to be fooled again.. now musharraf is gone but Nawaz is just as bad .. another American puppet.

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Can you provide proof that Ch. Nisar has lied? Can you provide real numbers of innocent Pakistanis (no foreigners) killed in drone strikes?

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^ when even the government does not know, do you think the ordinary people would know? It would help if they government could publish a complete list of people killed (with their names) to close this topic for once.

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it is all LIES… if you will-fully prevent independent journalists to report from those areas.. then you are “definitely” trying to hide your “crimes” …

a brave journalist “Hayatullah Khan” was picked up by our “brave” agencies in december 2005 and then his mutilated body was found on a road-side 6 months later… HIS CRIME… “Just days before his kidnapping, the Pakistani authorities had said an al-Qaeda commander they named as Abu Hamza Rabia had been killed with four others in a blast at an alleged militant hideout in North Waziristan. The official version was that bomb-making materials had exploded by accident, but locals said the men were killed by a missile fired from an unmanned U.S. drone. However, Khan took photographs of what appeared to be pieces of a U.S. Hellfire missile at the scene.[SUP][10]](Hayatullah Khan (journalist) - Wikipedia)[/SUP] The pictures provoked angry protests in Pakistan at the infringement of Pakistani territory by U.S. forces.[SUP][6]](Hayatullah Khan (journalist) - Wikipedia)[/SUP] While both the authorities and local militant groups denied any involvement in his killing, allegations persisted that Pakistan intelligence agencies were involved.On 17 November 2007, Hayatullah’s widow was murdered by a bomb that was detonated outside her home. Preliminary evidence indicates she was the target of the attack.[SUP][11]](Hayatullah Khan (journalist) - Wikipedia)[/SUP][SUP][12]](Hayatullah Khan (journalist) - Wikipedia)[/SUP]According to the Daily Times she been interview, that her husband had warned her “something” might happen to him, and had named individuals who would know why he had been killed. Her death left their five young children orphaned.”

this is the TRUTH..

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On one hand you support atrocities of same army in former East Pakistan and on the other hand you are saying just opposite. Make up your mind whether you are with the army or against it :slight_smile: I presume you are an staunch supporter of JI.

Just on light side of the argument my best friend since childhood was always been supporter of JI and me supporter of PPP. Though I was always vocal about my support, he never accepted that he was ever supporter of JI. :gizzy:

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i support the truth.. i am neither JI or army supporter.. i point out evidences and you give your judgements about my political affiliation.. well you can keep running away from the truth.. but you are eventually going to tire out and accept the truth. in’shaAllah

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o.k. my friend. I never minded my best friend why should I mind you of the same thoughts.

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Can you explain the map which you have posted? How Djibouti, Qatar and Jacobabad have been shown inside the United States?

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they are approximate distances for comparison... it also shows the jacobabad bases was one of three major bases from where afghanistan was massacred.. qatar.djibouti.jacobabad