Leaders of Pakistan.

I have been doing some reading, taking the full advantage of the semester off. Pakistan’s history & its political leaders is one of the hot topics. Following is a list of leaders that I found influential throughout history & how I view them . I didn’t bother with those who were too old (from the 50s) or those that didn’t contribute much. Please feel free to disagree & post your own views on the ones listed bellow or add if to the list if you so chose. I hope that the views will stick to personal opinions & the thread won’t come to copy/paste stuff.

Ayub:
(+ve) - Was a true patriot! His reforms were felt on the grass roots - or to the common man. Industry, education, economy flourished in his time as well as stability.
(-ve) - Too much of a dictator - hardheaded. Had a superiority complex for the West Pakistan, or maybe it was just Army vs. Civilian. Too capitalistic in his approach that later was exploited against him. Some comment too modern for the country at the time. His advisors, military and public, as well as his family gave him more grief than the general public.

Bhutto:
(+ve) - Vibrant Political leader with ambition & vision. Well read, educated and charismatic speaker!
(-ve) - Too self-centered & paranoid for power to think of the country as a whole. His land slide victory made him cocky. Though socialist/welfare oriented in word & speech, didn’t do much for the common man & stayed feudalistic.

Zia:
(+ve) - Hard to say anything +ve! I guess his biggest accomplishment was to hold on to power for so long. Someone wrote about him that he acted with humility.
(-ve) - The same person wrote a few lines further that he was a hypocrite. Dictator to the roots & on top of that didn’t have any ambitions or goals other than to stay in power. Did more to please others than for himself. His key to success was ousting from power a corrupt regime which was perceived as Anti-USA, then gaining the strong hold nationally & internationally through the first Afghan war.

Mushraff: (Though still in the making)
(+ve) - Simple in his speech & at least his words/ideas get a nod of approval. Knows how to play his cards when it comes to India (so far)
(-ve) - Depends too much on his advisors, it almost seems like its the same king makers of Zia era or their legacy hanging around. “Made the right decisions for the wrong reasons”. Haven’t done much to improve the life of the majority of the citizens. Constitutional reforms are a replica of previous dictators. Some say economy is better under him, but they only note down the data from after September 11th.

Bhutto was a great speaker and made a fine figurehead as Pakistani leader. He also led the country to virtual civil war which I guess is a pretty big downside.

Why are BB and Nawaz not considered?

Dil Jalanay Wali Baat Kartay ho :disgust:

Re: Leaders of Pakistan.

*Originally posted by ahmadjee: *
Mushraff: (Though still in the making)
(+ve) - Simple in his speech & at least his words/ideas get a nod of approval. Knows how to play his cards when it comes to India (so far)

Not only India. Musharraf went to Bangladesh, got Red-Carpet welcome, regretted 71 tragedy. Both agreed to work together for the betterment of nation. Take a note, ZAB, BB and NS also visited Bangladesh but couldn’t make up as Musharraf did!

Today, Bangladesh backs Pakistan on Kashmir!

(-ve) - Depends too much on his advisors, it almost seems like its the same king makers of Zia era or their legacy hanging around.

What’s wrong with that if Musharraf depends on advisors? It’s good for him to take advice before making an official statement.

Musharraf moves are look-like of Zia. Zia sowed the extremists element [So called Islamization]; and Musharraf trying to get rid Pakistan of Extremists. He started it before 9-11. Take a deep note of it.

Haven’t done much to improve the life of the majority of the citizens.

I agree. WAPDA is to blame!

** Constitutional reforms are a replica of previous dictators.**

If you want to keep the Army out, you have to keep them in!

Reference

“Uniformed people have to be there if you want to keep them out. Because, whenever there is a problem in Pakistan, everyone runs to the chief of army staff and they always drag him into the problem,” :rotfl: Musharraf said. **“Then, it is left to him (COAS) whether to take over or do whatever he thinks is right for the country, because all the people run to him for solving the problem of Pakistan. So, why not (to) include him in the body (NSC) so that whatever he (COAS) has to say or do is debated in this body of the National Security Council. There is no reason whatsoever for him (COAS) ever to take over,” **

** Some say economy is better under him, but they only note down the data from after September 11th.**

Not true. Forex resevers were around 3 million before 9-11. BB and NS spent billions of dollars in Agriculture sector so that Pakistan could become self-sufficient in Rice and Wheat. Not to forget, Pakistan faced drought and shortage of food during NS and BB rule whereas in Musharraf regime became able to make Pakistan self- sufficient in Rice and Wheat. Also, Pakistan become large exporters of it as well.

**Xtreme **bhai, I didn't included NS or BB as they didn't have a great impact on the society/dynamics of Pakistan as a whole. BB is struggling with keeping her fathers name alive & that's her driving force while NS though came out as somewhat of an industrialist, was too corrupt & paranoid of getting sacked to do anything other than a few good roads. More so they both didn't come out as leaders but as followers, in my opinion anyway.

PT yara, I don't want to make this thread yet another one just on Mushraff & his policies. I am sure he is discussed very often here; and I am sure he appreciates your support. :~)

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Originally posted by ahmadjee: *
PT yara, I don't want to make this thread yet another one just on Mushraff & his policies. I am sure he is discussed very often here; and I am sure **he appreciates your support. :~)
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How do you know that? :D

I'd discuss remaining leaders as well by giving chance to others :D

Just for the hell of it...if you take Quiad and Liaqet Ali Khan out along with the so-called democracies of (Bhutto, Banizir and Nawz), the rest of the leaders in Pakistan belong to the "two bureaucracies", Military and Civilian.

Civilian:
Ghulam Muhamed (ICS Officer)
Sikender Mirza (ICS Officer)
Ghulam Ishaq Khan (PCSC)
Farooq Laghari (PCSC Officer)

Army:
Ayub Khan (ex RA officer)
Yahya Khan (ex RA Officer)
Muhammad Zia ul Haq (PA Officer)
Pervaiz Musharuf (PA Officer)

So guess who will be next…..

Originally posted by MiniMe: *
**Ghulam Ishaq Khan (PCSC)
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Pro PML(N)

*Farooq Laghari (PCSC Officer) *

Pro-PPP

*So guess who will be next….. *

Don't need of it :p

Let's discuss the worst leader in Pakistan's history!!! Zia-ul-Haq!!! I would love to hear from anyone who got whipped during his barbaric tenure... The idiot also left us many gifts even after we got rid of him!!! Refugees, klashinkovs, drugs, ojhri camp, siachin....... The list goes on and on!!!

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*Originally posted by Spock: *
Let's discuss the worst leader in Pakistan's history!!! Zia-ul-Haq!!! I would love to hear from anyone who got whipped during his barbaric tenure... The idiot also left us many gifts even after we got rid of him!!! Refugees, klashinkovs, drugs, ojhri camp, siachin....... The list goes on and on!!!
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Enough of that Spock.

Concentrate on future, a better one!

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*Originally posted by Pakistani Tiger: *

Enough of that Spock.

Concentrate on future, a better one!
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PT, the topic of this thread does not concern the future, but the past. We can only learn from the mistakes of our past and traverse into the future... Musharraf can learn not to make the same mistakes his predecessor dictator made...

Well Said :k: