Leaders face growing pressure for answers over Iraq (merged)

The noose is tightening around the neck of Bush and his poodle Blair. The lies could have lasted only for so long.

Leaders face growing pressure for answers over Iraq](http://news.independent.co.uk/world/politics/story.jsp?story=425058)

**Only three months ago, they were the smiling masters of the universe, liberators who had watched their armies roll up a supposedly formidable Middle Eastern foe as easily as a child swats away a fly. How different it will be when George Bush and Tony Blair meet in Washington today.

Reports of the end of a political love affair are premature. On Iraq, the President and the Prime Minister are locked together, and they know it. But was there ever a meeting more unhappily timed? The last person, surely, that Mr Blair would want to be seen with is the ally he is accused of following meekly into the increasingly costly and unhappy Iraq adventure. For his part, Mr Bush must share the podium with the leader of the country whose intelligence services, which are quoted as the authors of the uranium-from-Africa fantasy, have indirectly led him into the hottest water of his presidency.**

But any reciprocal doubts will probably remain hidden. Their abilities to express themselves in public may differ, but the two men share above all a fierce and unquestioning self-belief in the rightness of their common cause.

And make no mistake, Americans love Mr Blair (though what with the row over the Guantanamo Bay prisoners and the difficulties faced by British companies in securing Iraq reconstruction contracts, the affection is less than obvious). When he addresses the assembled Senate and House today, the cheers will be genuine, grateful and deeply admiring.

Barely a day passes without a clip of Mr Blair on the news, defending himself before a raucous array of critics, giving at least as good as he gets. How much easier for Mr Bush, protected by Americans’ innate respect for his office, and with a phalanx of proxies to defend him - the polished, oh-so- reasonable Secretary of State Colin Powell, the tenacious Condoleezza Rice, his national security adviser, and George Tenet, CIA chief and (thus far) willing fall-guy for the Niger fiasco. And just as well. This week a limp and stumbling Mr Bush managed to make the ludicrous claim that he only decided on war after he “gave Saddam Hussein a chance to allow the inspectors in and he wouldn’t let them” (when of course it was Mr Bush who ordered the UN team out so he could launch his war).

But cracks are opening in the façade of the most monolithic, best-disciplined White House of modern times. Ms Rice and Mr Tenet point fingers at each other. The neo-con hawks have fallen silent. Even the bullying Donald Rumsfeld was subjected to what passes for a “grilling” on Capitol Hill about the current Iraq shambles, (though compared with what Mr Blair must handle in London it was tame). But for how much longer will able courtiers take the heat for the tongue-tied monarch? Will Mr Bush take the hit our Prime Minister has taken? The answer depends less on who-knew-what-and-when about the Niger forgeries than on events on the ground, in Iraq and beyond.

For the moment, the Bush machine rolls mightily along. Money, they say, is a politician’s best friend. The President has raised more of it - $34m (£21m) for his re-election campaign in the past three months - than his nine declared Democratic rivals combined.

His approval rating remains a healthy 60 per cent or so. But the intelligence and organisational mess over Iraq has led to the first serious, sustained criticism of his competence on national security issues, since 11 September, his greatest political asset.

Yesterday another US soldier died in a “hostile incident” near Baghdad, a US military transport plane was shot at by insurgents using a surface-to-air missile as it landed in Baghdad, and in western Iraq the pro-American mayor of Hadithah was gunned down. This means that 33 US troops have been killed by Iraqis in the 10 weeks since Mr Bush landed on an aircraft carrier to proclaim an end to the “Battle of Iraq”. Yesterday’s incident brought to 147 the number of troops killed in combat in this war, equalling the total killed in combat in the 1991 Gulf War.

What was it in aid of, Americans increasingly wonder, asking themselves the question John Kerry, a leading Democratic candidate posed in public: “Are we safer today than we were on September 11?” For many the answer is, no.

Other Democratic candidates are piling in - not only Howard Dean, the former Vermont governor who opposed the war from the outset, but even strong advocates of it, such as Senator Joe Lieberman and Richard Gephardt, the former House majority leader.

They, and some Republicans, feel they were duped when the President sought congressional backing for war in October, on the basis of what now looks a grossly exaggerated case. Suddenly Mr Bush’s credibility, so important for a self-styled “straight shooter”, is under challenge. And suddenly, the White House no longer seems out of reach to Democrats in 2004.

To his discomfort, Mr Bush is learning that there is more to international affairs than brute force. Daily it grows clearer that if overstretched US troops are to get serious help in Iraq, Washington will have to cede more authority to the United Nations. Mr Bush is not a man who readily admits he was wrong. But, with no WMD and, manifestly, no threat from Saddam, reality is ever harder to avoid. As Groucho Marx asked: “Who are you going to believe - me, or your own two eyes?”

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The way things are looking we are likely to see another “regime change” sooner or later if some leaders cannot come up with the proof to back up their undiscovered allegations. :slight_smile:

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Re: Leaders face growing pressure for answers over Iraq

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Anyone noticed in the poodle’s speech to the US Congress today, Blair did not mention with any certainty that WMD would be found. Previously he (and Bush) have always stated this with emphasis; Blair’s sickening lies are catching up with him to the point where even he probably does not believe that WMD will ever be discovered. Even Jack Straw told the BBC that WMD may never be found in Iraq.

All these sickening lies - from two of the world’s most democratic countries. A true shame. Bush’s stupidity and deceit i can expect, but somehow - one almost expected a little more honesty from Blair.

bush is an idiot!!!

why hasnt the CIA found any weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? such weapons were the root of all the conflict… basically thats how bush convinced the americans to goto war? what has the US gained from the war.. except oil? the projected budget deficit is to be on record high about 450 million.. the national debt is projected to reach 1.6 trillion by the end of this year. the war is costing about 3.6 billion a month! and now this false accusation of iraq getting uranium from Africa. bush refred to this in his state of the union address. and now tony balir justifies war by saying they did the right thing? wtf… if only the democrats had the considerabel representation in the congress they wouldve had bush’ ass! bush is the only one who benefited from this war.. hes gonna get releclted!

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/18/international/worldspecial/18INTE.html?ex=1059105600&en=c575a304bc251a34&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE

Right now.... chance of him getting re-elected are very, very, high. How would you vote in the upcoming elections?

I am a registered Republican, as majority of the Muslims are also conservatives, but I will vote Democrat on one point agenda. Regime change in the U.S. When I am affected by the policies of the existing administration, my loyalties will switch to the underdog in a heartbeat.

It's going to be interesting to watch the Muslim scene and see how much have we awaken after 9/11. Up to now, we were freeloaders in the U.S. Now we are put to the test....How much of an American are we? Still, it is utterly shocking to see Muslims in America who think it's pointless to exercise one option we all hold to affect the elections in this country. We might see a larger "Muslim voting block" as seen during the previous presidential elections but, first, we have to learn to get past the intra-Muslim conflicts and see beyond the self-imposed hatreds against Sunnis, Shias, Saudia, Egyptions, Bangalis, Indians, Agha Khanis, Qadianis, Pakistanis, Arabs, Syrians, Jordanians, etc.

The real enemy is within. How do we defeat it? That's the real question. For when we can answer that..... if somewhere in the Quran and Sunnah is the answer to that..... then we can rise to face any one in the world. We will own the world. But we, and only we, will have to decide when we want to do that. God help us against ourselves.

This article is straight to the point, an independent investigation is needed to uncover the truth.

http://www.freep.com/voices/columnists/ewrigh18_20030718.htm

Unfounded U.S. claims of WMDs warrant an independent investigation

Since 9/11, the hawks of the Bush presidency have transfixed Americans with sound bites that play on our worst fears of a future terrorist attack. But as the Iraq occupation drags on, we are learning to parse those sound bites and question what a former State Department intelligence analyst has called the administration’s “faith-based” attitude to evidence. Last summer, the president and his advisers decided to “sell” – their word – a war on Iraq to the American people. They picked over reports from the CIA, United Kingdom intelligence and other sources, choosing the pieces that supported their view, ignoring the uncertainties and qualifications. They bombarded Americans with sound bites that pounded the message that Saddam Hussein had nuclear, chemical and biological weapons which he would either use himself or transfer to the Al Qaeda terrorist network. On Aug. 27, Vice President Dick Cheney warned of a Saddam Hussein “armed with an arsenal of these weapons of terror.” On Sept. 27, Donald Rumsfeld claimed “bullet-proof” evidence of ties between Hussein and Al Qaeda. On Oct. 7, only days before Congress voted on the resolution endorsing war on Iraq, President George W. Bush declared: “We know that Iraq and the Al Qaeda terrorist network share a common enemy – the United States of America. . . . We have learned that Iraq has trained Al Qaeda members in bomb making, poisons and deadly gases. Facing clear evidence of peril, we cannot wait for the final proof – the smoking gun – that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud.”

This was enough to frighten a supine Congress into giving Bush carte blanche to go to war against Iraq at a time of his own choosing, requiring neither further congressional oversight nor a vote of the UN Security Council. So last March, the UN inspectors and the UN Security Council were pushed aside, the pleas of world leaders were ignored, and the war was fought, leaving 266 U.S. and British soldiers dead, along with at least 15 journalists, thousands of Iraqi civilians and combatants, and Iraq descending into anarchy. ***But all the smoking guns have fizzled. “Chemical warheads” turned out to be empty. An “anthrax culture” turned out to be a high-school science project. “Mobile biological weapons labs,” hailed by the president on Polish TV as weapons of mass destruction, were determined to contain not a single lethal bug – and quickly dropped from presidential sound bites. Finally, over the past week, Bush administration officials have scrambled to control the damage from the latest revelation that the president’s claim in his State of the Union address that Iraq sought to acquire uranium from Africa had been challenged almost a year earlier by retired American diplomat Joseph Wilson. ***

Evidence suggesting an alternative view of Hussein’s behavior has recently emerged. The Iraqi chief of Hussein’s uranium enrichment program before the first Gulf War recently told U.S. investigators that he was ordered in 1991 to bury blueprints for the Iraqi nuclear weapons program and components of centrifuges for enriching uranium. He was never asked to dig them up, and they were recently unearthed from his rose garden. This reinforces the conclusion of the UN inspectors, that from 1991 onward, Hussein had no nuclear weapons program and that he was many years from being able to reconstitute one. It also suggests that Hussein had decided to shelve his weapons programs indefinitely. This may help to explain Iraqi evasions of the first round of UN inspections from 1991 to 1998 and ongoing denials that active programs continued. It hardly supports the images in the Bush administration’s sound bites of an Iraq poised to send American cities up in mushroom clouds.

Bush officials now ask us to look at the big picture – a Saddam Hussein intent on acquiring and ultimately using weapons. We should do that. Where are the caches of weapons Hussein supposedly hid from UN inspectors? Where is the link with Al Qaeda? Note the recent slide of the sound bites in response to such questions – from claims of “weapons” to claims of “weapons programs.” With a guerrilla war in Iraq now officially recognized, costs of the war increasing to $4 billion a month, and American troops being killed almost daily, Americans should demand an independent investigation. The investigation should ask what the Bush administration knew before it plunged the nation into war, why serious doubts of the intelligence agencies were ignored and who in the administration decided that uncertain WMD evidence should be transformed into a threat so great that a preemptive war in reckless disregard for the UN Charter was deemed the only solution.

Will Bush be impeached for lying over Iraq?

Not likely…but some think so.

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Though I guess he is correct when he says that if Bush lied then it is worse than what Clinton did over with ‘that woman - Monica Lewinsky’.

When did Bush lie?

Bush fool ok sumtime all peapul fool. but who good democrat person? why, clinton you vote and he do monica louvensky etc. bush you vote but he do wmd etc. who vote give? Chainy no talking. Dean talking talking talking. Leebraman bore doing. Also one woman but donno she good bad etc. who vote give? Kerry ok?