There’s no matter of who has took the words from which language. Even Arabic and Urdu words are also similar
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pashtu indeed has similarities with farsi..pashto and farsi has a 4000-5000 years history as they were the one of the oldest languages. both took words from each other so it can be argued that who took who’s word
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old lahori thanx for the effort u made but i can paste hundreds of article here that are entirely different than this one.but to be honest broo ur the first guy i heard saying that sanskirt and pashto are similar.
Pannini is reputed to be the famous Grammarian of the relatively modern Sanskrit as opposed to Vedic Sanskrit. He was from Taxila Ghandara. This is ofcourse where the present day Pashto speakers dominate. I would not be surprised if Pannini spoke the Pashto that was prevelent at that time.
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Pannini is reputed to be the famous Grammarian of the relatively modern Sanskrit as opposed to Vedic Sanskrit. He was from Taxila Ghandara. This is ofcourse where the present day Pashto speakers dominate. I would not be surprised if Pannini spoke the Pashto that was prevelent at that time.
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loooooooooooooooooooooooooool,loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool.
Cmon man are u saying ur the greatest joker of all time after OLdLahori, Noone speaks pashtu in Taxila, they are pujabi speakers and local dialects of Punjabi.
Fakeer man i am wasted.
http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Mathematicians/Panini.html
Reza, I am merely learning, and like many students at a new topic I am liable to make many mistakes. I was merely suggesting a hypothesis. The following is the start of the article whose URL is given above.
“Panini was born in Shalatula, a town near to Attock on the Indus river in present day Pakistan. The dates given for Panini are pure guesses. Experts give dates in the 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th century BC and there is also no agreement among historians about the extent of the work which he undertook. What is in little doubt is that, given the period in which he worked, he is one of the most innovative people in the whole development of knowledge. We will say a little more below about how historians have gone about trying to pinpoint the date when Panini lived.”
Since Taxila was a center of learning and is more familiar than Shalatula I mentioned it in the original post.
Anyway, we are talking of connections thousands of years ago. Who would consider Attock having produced a “Genius Son” these days in pakistan?
And ofcourse Farsi is closer to Pashto since Both belong to the Iranian Language Family.
Hindu is an Arabic word for Indian. <<
Sorry to puncture this ballon Reza Khan Bhai, but Arabs had less to do with India than other Muslims.
1.Moghuls were Turkic-Central Asian.
2.Nadir Shah was Persian.
3.Ghazni, Ahmed Shah Abdali etc., were Afghans.
Also I have what I said on Good authority.
Rahul Sankruthyayan a great Bengali Scholar.
It was Pharisees who coined the word 'Hindu' by misspelling 'Sindhu'.
Infact it is outsiders who gave Hinduism it's name.
Hindus themselves don't call it a Religion.
Just 'Sanatana Dharma'.
Sorry to puncture the baloon andhra but read the history Arabs had trade relations with the hindus long time before the mongol/turkic/central asians came. The name goes from there. The parisees went to india only after the Arabic conquest of persia. These trades with the hindus were over centuries before that. Dont believe me ask an arab what does he call an indian???? He will reply hindu.....
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my knowledge of indian Pashtuns is limited as well. Glad to get some background on this whole issue!
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Sorry to puncture the baloon andhra but read the history Arabs had trade relations with the hindus long time before the mongol/turkic/central asians came. The name goes from there. The parisees went to india only after the Arabic conquest of persia. These trades with the hindus were over centuries before that. Dont believe me ask an arab what does he call an indian??? He will reply hindu… <<
I think it is time for you to take History lessons my friend.
Since you don’t agree with me, I am quoting from Microsoft Encarta, one of the leading Encyclopedias in the World.
The word Hindu is derived from the Sanskrit word sindhu (“river”—more specifically, the Indus); the Persians in the 5th century BC called the Hindus by that name, identifying them as the people of the land of the Indus. The Hindus define their community as “those who believe in the Vedas” (see Veda) or “those who follow the way (dharma) of the four classes (varnas) and stages of life (ashramas).”
As for Arabs I don’t know.
But you should know, Persians or Irans as they are known today are one of the earliest Civilizations in this World.
The Arabs were Nomadic Camel Herds when Persians were building cities!!!
Oops!! Here’s the link!!
http://encarta.msn.com/find/Concise.asp?z=1&pg=2&ti=761555715
Please stick to the topic! YOU are NOT a Pashtun and YOU have NO right to talk about what is silly and what is not!
I asked Fakeer’s (A real Pashtun) opinion on this matter and he told me he doesn’t mind, so WHO made you King of the Pashtuns!?!
Stop trying to spread hatred between the people of Pakistan! We come from different cultures but that doesn’t mean that we don’t respect each other. For the record, I never called any Pashtun/Pakthun a “Pathan” but if other people do and the pashtuns don’t mind, then you stay out of it!
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The eyelids of a Rajputs eyes are lowered only in death.
As far as I know, "pathan" is a corruption of the word "pakhtana" which is plural of pakhtuns and was employed by the confused Brits.
Thus, spake the Sword...
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**>>Avestan haurva- “every, all, whole,†Sanskrit sarva-<<
Sounds credible!!!
Infact the Word 'Hindu' resulted from Pharisees(Iranians) prononcing 'Haptha Hindu' instead of 'Saptha Sindhu'!!! to describe India.
Reza Khan I think Farsi is close to Sanskrit.
Infact the old language in Iranian 'Avesta' is strikingly similar to Sanskrit.
ALso Avesta shares quite a few Gods with Vedas.
If you look at the map you will see it is natural that Iranians and Indians share a few things in their language.
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what a shameless plagiariser!
First of all, saptha sindhu (7 rivers) was used by the proto-sankrit speaking Indo-Iranian tribes to describe present day Pakistan not India. And secondly, the Iranians who later came to be known as persians, their language was similar to the vedic tribes which entered Pakistan and Then later on northern India. But modern persian does not have as much similarity with sanskrit as did the earliest versions that of Old persian or Achaeminian, middle persian or pahlavi. Pashto has more common links to Avestan/sanskrit language (oldest).
So Iranian , of which persians are just one people do share many things with Pakistanian.
Most languages spoken in India today are not very close to sanskrit which was jealously guarded as language of the elite and was perfected in Gandhara.
Thus, spake the Sword...
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Not everyone in Iran is Persian first of all. Persian account for about 45-50% of the population. And before 600BC there was no such thing as persian. No one had heard of the farses. It was not until middle of the 6th century BC that the nomadic indoeuropeans later to be known as persians became civilized and carved an empire. The other peoples, the assyrians, greeks, lydians and Medes were building cities when Persians were goat herders. ]
And Arabs were building cities, science and navigation when europeans were drinking the water in which they had just snorted their nasal mucous…your point? LOL
Thus, spake the Sword…
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**Hindu is an Arabic word for Indian. Not farsi one. It might be that since the early Official language in Iran (after arabs got successful and won the war) was arabic the word got into it.
About farsi close to sanskrit, i knew about that.
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Rezajan,
hindu is the word used in acheaminain to describe the the river Indus and the people living in the indus region (not just present day sindh province but the entire leghth). The inhabitants themselves referredt o themselves as Sindhu. Sindhu in sanskrit means river itself. The word wasnt meant to describe any religion. Just the distinct people living in the indus rever region and its tributries.
By the time (around 8th century or later) the word hindu was abused much to describe all the non muslim inhabitants, the distinction between the regions continued and was caried on by the people.
Arabs themselves including the most famous geographer Al-Biruni describes 2 distinct regions Al-Sindh and Al-hind.
Its not until much later that hindu term came to be used to describe the culture/religion emanating from the republic of India today of which the territory of Pakistan(the REAL indus region) hasnt been a part of.
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what a shameless plagiariser!
First of all, saptha sindhu (7 rivers) was used by the proto-sankrit speaking Indo-Iranian tribes to describe present day Pakistan not India. <<
First of all, the plagiarism you mention, IF TRUE is not mine but the scholars who contributed to Encarta!!
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Most languages spoken in India today are not very close to sanskrit which was jealously guarded as language of the elite and was perfected in Gandhara.<<
This is ridiculous. How many Indian languages do you know?
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Let me tell you the most common thing about Indian languages is Sanskrit.
For example when a Sikh from Punjab comes up and says ‘Har Mandir’, a peasant from Andhra would understand it immediately, except he calls it, ‘Hari Mandiram’.
I think you are one of those people for whom bowing to the conqueror and aping their Religion and culture is not enough. You HAVE to proove there is no such thing thing as India or Hinduism.
Further even if you concede their existence, you want to think there is nothing common between the various sub-cultures, like Punjabis and Tamils for example.
Bad news for you. There IS a lot of commonality between seemingly alien sub-cultures of the sub continent.
Ofcourse the whole thing pisses me off. I can’t have my heritage denigrated because of ‘Chamchas’ who surrendered their culture and Religion!!
Sultar Toora:
yara great job! You know your history. Are you a scholar of South Asia? If not, you should be! I am impressed with your knowledge.
The eyelids of a Rajputs eyes are lowered only in death.
First of all, the plagiarism you mention, IF TRUE is not mine but the scholars who contributed to Encarta!!
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Andhra, prove it! Encarta is online and in CD form. I have both, and nowhere does it mention what you said. How about some links?
I think you are one of those people for whom bowing to the conqueror and aping their Religion and culture is not enough. You HAVE to proove there is no such thing thing as India or Hinduism.
Further even if you concede their existence, you want to think there is nothing common between the various sub-cultures, like Punjabis and Tamils for example. <<<
Bad assumption Andhra. Sultan Toora is very much grounded in reality, I recall reading his meesage earlier in this section (i’ll dig up the link if you want) and he is niether bowin to any conquerers nor is he changing reality. Don’t copme to me with Indian sources and I won’t ome to you with Pajistani ones, read on what westerners and other historians have to say about the Indus Valley region. If the Indus Valley and the Brahmin Heartlands were the same why aren’t any of the 7 holiest rivers in Pakistan? Why aren’t there any ‘holy’ cities of Hinduism (Like Ayodhya) in Pakistan? The connections we have with Indians is limited to the Rajput/Jatt regions of Rajasthan and Punjab. Those regions are where the descendents of Scythian tribes are located and that is our link.
Ofcourse the whole thing pisses me off. I can’t have my heritage denigrated because of ‘Chamchas’ who surrendered their culture and Religion!!
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Hey stop making assumptions! I am damn proud of my Rajput heritage, which includes Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs. I am also proud of my culture- Punjabi which is a lot more open minded than other cultures of South Asia.
You can be proud of who you are, but please don’t come up with stories linking South Indians with Punjabis, or other half-truths like that. I have one thing to say about Hinduism (and I don’t mean to insult or offend), but being polytheistic, it can mold itself into whatever the conditions are required. I mean a few thousand years ago Punjabis were M’lechas and now they are an integral part of Hinduism with commonalities with Andhraites. Similarly, I have read up on Shaivism (the ‘monotheistic’ Hinduism) and a Hindu Scholar linking Prophet Muhammed with a Hindu god. So like I mentioned, Hinduism is constantly evolving to fit the contemporary times but that does not mean that history too will change with it.
Again I am not denigrating Hinduism and I hope you take my statements at face value.
The eyelids of a Rajputs eyes are lowered only in death.
Andhra, prove it! Encarta is online and in CD form. I have both, and nowhere does it mention what you said. How about some links?
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I already did. Ofcourse you didn’t bother reading my posts in your Rajput ‘Fury’ I guess!!
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Anyways here it is again from Encarta along with the links.
The word Hindu is derived from the Sanskrit word sindhu (“river”—more specifically, the Indus); the Persians in the 5th century BC called the Hindus by that name, identifying them as the people of the land of the Indus. The Hindus define their community as “those who believe in the Vedas” (see Veda) or “those who follow the way (dharma) of the four classes (varnas) and stages of life (ashramas).”
Here’s the link!! http://encarta.msn.com/find/Concise.asp?z=1&pg=2&ti=761555715
As for descendents of Scythians being confined to Punjab and Rajputana, you make me laugh.
THe Scythians came down south as far as today’s Andhra Pradesh, before the Andhras repelled them and established the Satavahana Dynasty.(Chronologically the successor to Muryan dynasty though not as big).
I will dig up the links if you want!!
The sub-continent would appear to be a crossroads of a lot of history and culture. The interaction of all this would logically be complicated and respectful argument to point to conclusions is needed. The overlap of great civilizations can really muck facts up.