Lashkar-e-Taiba

How many think that the Mumbai blasts were the work of Lashkar-e-Taiba?

Lashkar-e-Taiba

Indian and American officials are now reporting that the Mumbai attackers seem to have connections to Lashkar-e-Taiba, the Pakistan-based Islamist organization. Among other analytical clues, over the weekend, one anonymous American official quoted in the Washington Post noted that Lashkar has a known “maritime” capability. I’m not sure how much seaworthiness a group needs to demonstrate in order to be labeled “maritime” terrorists, but I can testify to the existence of Lashkar’s pontoon boat fleet, as I was not too long ago a passenger on that line.
Late in 2005, I travelled for The New Yorker to Pakistan-occupied Kashmir to report on the earthquake that devastated the region. To facilitate international aid, the Pakistani government opened the region to journalists, creating a very rare opportunity to travel without escort and to poke around on the border. I was particularly interested in looking up Lashkar, which I had been following for many years. I made several visits to facilities run by its charity, called “Jamat-ud-Dawa,” which is today tolerated openly by the government of Pakistan but banned as a terrorist organization by the United States on the grounds that it is merely an alias for Lashkar.

In Muzuffarabad, the capital of Pakistani Kashmir, Jamat had brought in a mobile surgical unit staffed by long-bearded doctors from Karachi and Lahore—very impressive young men, fluent in English, who offered a reminder that unlike, say, the Taliban, Lashkar draws some very talented people from urban professions. (With its hospitals, universities, and social-service wings, Lashkar is akin to Hezbollah or Hamas; it is a three-dimensional political and social movement with an armed wing, not merely a terrorist or paramilitary outfit.) As part of its earthquake relief work, Lashkar ferried supplies to remote villages isolated on the far side of the churning Neelum River, one of the two snow-fed canyon rivers that traverse the area. I asked to take a ride with its volunteers, and their media officer (yes, they have media officers) agreed.

We rode in a van to the river’s edge, scrambled down a rocky hillside and boarded one of Lashkar’s rubber pontoon boats, about fifteen feet long, with a large outboard motor—useful for carrying relief supplies, but not coincidentally, also useful for infiltrating militants into Indian-held Kashmir. It has long been an open secret, and a source of some hilarity among foreign correspondents, that under the guise of “humanitarian relief operations,” Lashkar practiced amphibious operations on a lake at its vast headquarters campus, outside Lahore. The events in Mumbai have taken the humor of these “humanitarian” rehearsals away. That day on the Neelum, I chatted with our thick-bearded captain in my very poor Arabic. He spoke Arabic as well—from his religious studies, he said, although he conceded, too, that he had travelled to Saudi Arabia, where it is well understood that Lashkar has raised money. I was also told that around the time of the earthquake they set up fund-raising operations in Britain, to tap the Pakistani diaspora there.
Earlier this year, I met with a Lashkar official in Lahore. We talked about how Jamat was getting along under international pressure. I took no notes and the conversation was intended for my informal guidance, but I came away with a number of impressions. On the one hand, the group’s bank accounts remain unmolested by the Pakistani government, which gives Lashkar quite a lot of running room; on the other, the group resents the accommodations reached between Pakistan’s government and the United States. Clearly, Lashkar knows what it must do to protect the Pakistan government from being exposed in the violent operations that Lashkar runs in Kashmir and elsewhere. For example, some of its younger volunteers wanted to join the fight with the Taliban in Western Pakistan and Afghanistan, my interlocutor said, and so Jamat had evolved an internal H.R. policy by which these young men would turn in their Jamat identity cards and go West “on their own time,” much as think tanks allow policy scholars to take leaves of absence to advise political campaigns.

One question that will certainly arise as the Mumbai investigations proceed is what the United States should insist the government of Pakistan do about Jamat and Lashkar. Even for a relative hawk on the subject of Pakistan’s support for Islamist militias, it’s a difficult question—comparable to the difficult question of managing Hezbollah’s place in the fragile Lebanese political system. To some extent, Pakistan’s policy of banning Lashkar and tolerating Jamat has helpfully reinforced Lashkar’s tendency toward nonviolent social work and proseltyzing. In the long run, this work is a threat to the secular character of Pakistan, but it is certainly preferable to revolutionary violence and upheaval right now. On the other hand, there is little doubt that the Army and I.S.I. continue to use Jamat’s legitimate front as a vehicle for prosecution of a long-running “double game” with the United States, in which Pakistan pledges fealty to American counterterrorism goals while at the same time facilitating guerrilla violence against India, particularly over the strategic territory of Kashmir, which Pakistan regards as vital to its national interests.
Lashkar is a big organization with multiple arms and priorities and its leadership is undoubtedly divided over how much risk to take in pursuit of violent operations in India, particularly given the comfort and even wealth the group’s leaders enjoy from their unmolested activities inside Pakistan. If the boys in Mumbai had support from Lashkar, did the group’s leader, Hafez Saeed, who runs Jamat, know of the plan? If so, that would be a radical act that would likely mean the end of his charity’s tenuous legitimacy.

If it can be credibly established that Saeed did not know—that this was a rogue operation of some sort, or a strategy cooked up by elements of Lashkar and groups such as the Pakistani Taliban or even Al Qaeda (perhaps conducted, too, with support from rogue elements of the Paksitan security forces)—that would be an even more complicated equation. I was at a conference this morning where another panelist well-versed in these issues said he would not be surprised if it turned out that Lashkar conceived the Mumbai attacks as a way to pull Pakistani Army units and attention away from the Afghan border and into defense positions in the east, to protect the country from the possibility of military retaliation by India. In any event, if the evidence does show that uncontrolled Lashkar elements carried out the attacks, it would force India’s government to judge how to calibrate policy toward a civilian-led Pakistan government and Army command that may have little control over the very same Islamist groups that it purposefully built up and supported just a few years ago. If the evidence shows that these were purposeful attacks endorsed by Saeed and aided by elements of the Army, then the Pakistan government will have no choice but to at least make a show of closing down Jamat and arresting Saeed. Unfortunately, it has taken such action in the past, but that action has turned out to be partially symbolic and constructed for international consumption, rather than marking a true and complete change in policy.

The U.S. can do a few useful things here. At a minimum, it can provide transparent information about the investigation and where the facts lead, so that the Indian and Pakistani political systems are on the same footing; it can indict individuals and groups that can be established as culpable for the Mumbai murders, no matter who those individuals and groups are—even if they include officers in the Pakistan Army; and it can emphasize in public that the United States seeks the end of all Pakistani support for terrorist groups, no matter whether they are operating in Afghanistan, Kashmir, or Mumbai.

Lashkar-e-Taiba: Think Tank: Online Only: The New Yorker

Let me answer this:

  1. Indian media
  2. Indian government
  3. Indian media followers
  4. Indian government followers

This is what "majority" is, there are some people in US media too, yeah, thats all.

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maritime capability- is that being able to sit on a boat?

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A better question is why is Let, which is "officially" banned in Pakistan, still allowed to penly operate under different names and it's leader free to roam around Pakistan?

We complain about negative media perception, but never bother to fix the underlying causes. If we let jihadis roam around and train in Pakistan, of course everyone will suspect out hands in every terrorist attack, even if it may not be the case.

I dont think INDIA believes there was any hand of Pakistani government in this, but there were definitely Pakistani connection. Terrorists either came from Pakistan, or were financed in Pakistan or trained in Pakistan. Sooner or later the truth would come out. It would be difficult for anyone to hide the facts when there have been so many witnesses to these terrorists.

How would Pakistan react if substantial evidence was proved?

Behind the walls of Lashkar’s rumoured breeding ground

Behind the walls of Lashkar’s rumoured breeding ground - The Irish Times - Tue, Dec 02, 2008

Attacks Linked to Pakistan Group

Attacks Linked to Pakistan Group - WSJ.com

A Quick Backgrounder on Lashkar-e-Taiba
The Weekly Standard

How U.S. should respond to Mumbai attacks
Commentary: How U.S. should respond to Mumbai attacks - CNN.com


or they were born in same planet as Pakistanis were born hence the Pakistani connection :D

:)

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A Pakistan Connection? - Council on Foreign Relations

Shuja Nawaz, author of the book "Crossed Swords: Pakistan, its Army, and the Wars Within
says that Pakistan has lost control of the the militants it once had. Even ISI which trained many of the militants cannot control them.

Well that’s no revelation. Jihadists’ attacks on Pakistani generals and killing and murdering of Pakistani soldiers and officers has been going on for many many years now.

If it hasn’t already, soon the death-toll of Pak army jawans will exceed the number of our army losses in 65 and 71 wars.

The reason is simple. Pakistanis made a huge mistake while planning for the Jihadists. LeT was never prepared as “Pakistan-centric” and instead it was developed as “Islam-centric”. Therefore LeT would treat anti-Islam struggle as higher priority.

No wonder Alqaida etc. have been so successful in defeating ISI and Pak army in terms of their use of LeT.

And the situation will not change anytime soon.

In fact if ever LeT succeeds against India, it will start a war against Pak army and will not stop until the Pak army is utterly defeated.

Thus Pakistanis have at their hand a monster in the form of LeT that will not stop until the destruction of Pakistan.

By SUSAN SCHMIDT and SIOBHAN GORMAN

Lashkar-e-Taiba, the Pakistani group suspected in the Mumbai attacks, has a history of documented links to al Qaeda and has trained many of the militants who have landed in U.S. and British jails since 9/11.
The group is of particular concern to intelligence officials and terrorism experts because it has become a major gateway to jihad for some disaffected people in the West, including converts to Islam.

Lashkar-e-Taiba Served as Gateway for Western Converts Turning to Jihad - WSJ.com

Lashkar has been enmeshed in Pakistan’s long struggle with India over the disputed territory of Kashmir, but it has also been a training hub for militant Islamic fighters who joined conflicts in Afghanistan, Bosnia, Kosovo and Chechnya. The group has received funding from donors in Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, including from an al Qaeda financier, according to U.S. government testimony and Central Intelligence Agency records.
Westerners who have passed through Lashkar-e-Taiba’s training camps include Australian al Qaeda operative David Hicks, convicted “shoe bomber” Richard Reid and Dhiren Barot, the mastermind of a failed gas-cylinder bombing plot in London who prepared detailed blueprints for al Qaeda of buildings in New York’s financial district, according to information that emerged in legal proceedings. Mr. Barot, a British subject and a Hindu who converted to Islam, trained with Lashkar, then became an instructor at a mujahideen camp in Afghanistan and joined al Qaeda.

High-ranking al Qaeda operative Abu Zubayda was captured in late 2002 in a Lashkar safe house in Faisalabad, Pakistan. Al Qaeda recruits from Lashkar were among those killed when the U.S. carried out missile strikes against training camps in Afghanistan in the wake of the 1998 bombings of the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania.
“Lashkar and al Qaeda have been intertwined for a number of years,” an FBI counterterrorism analyst, Sarah Linden, testified in a Virginia terrorism trial last year.

Not all experts agree. “I don’t necessarily see that’s true,” Christine Fair of Rand Corp. said of the contention that there are considerable links between Lashkar and al Qaeda. “Lashkar-e-Taiba has, in general, operated only against India and Afghanistan. They’re fighting us in Afghanistan as a Taliban ally.”

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, at a news conference in India on Wednesday, sidestepped a question about whether al Qaeda was linked to the Mumbai attacks. “Whether there is a direct al Qaeda hand or not, this is clearly the kind of terrorism in which al Qaeda participates,” she said, comparing the intent to damage the Indian economy with the effort to destroy the U.S. economy on 9/11. “We are not going to jump to any conclusions about who is responsible for this,” she said.
The U.S. government has extensive evidence of Lashkar’s efforts to kill Americans. Much of it is contained in court statements by U.S. officials in proceedings in courts in the U.S., France and the U.K.

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In recent years, since al Qaeda has re-established its base of operations in Pakistan, some officials contend its ties with Lashkar and similar Pakistani militant groups have grown tighter. “We see the Pakistanization of al Qaeda,” said Afghanistan’s ambassador to the U.S., Said T. Jawad. “Pakistanis are moving higher up in al Qaeda, and more Pakistanis are getting recruited to carry out operations.”
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Lashkar-e-Taiba, whose name is translated as Army of the Good, was designated a terrorist organization by the U.S. in late 2001.
After involvement in the Soviet war in Afghanistan, it joined the dispute over Kashmir and received money, weapons and training from the Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence agency, terrorism specialists say.

The U.S. pressured Pakistan to outlaw Lashkar and other militant groups in 2002, but the group retains a public presence under its parent organization Jamaat-ud-Daawa, an Islamic educational and charitable group. Foreigners who come to its camps are put on the “express lane” to jihad missions, said Evan Kohlmann, a terrorism specialist who has testified about the group in U.S. trials.

After 9/11, the group increasingly functioned as a training ground for foreign fighters who wanted to join the Taliban. More than a half-dozen of the Guantanamo Bay detainees captured in Afghanistan in 2001 and 2002 were accused by the Defense Department of receiving training, arms, funding or documents from Lashkar camps in Pakistan.

Lashkar also has been under scrutiny in the British inquiry into the London Underground bombings of July 7, 2006. One of the four suicide bombers behind the attack visited Lashkar’s compound near Lahore, Pakistan.
—Glenn R. Simpson contributed to this article. **Write to **Susan Schmidt at [EMAIL=“[email protected]”][email protected] and Siobhan Gorman at [EMAIL=“[email protected]”][email protected]

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LT never attacked any Pakistani soldier nor they attack civilians , they attck on indian forces in occupied kashmir plus LT is Pakistan's largest and best organization with schools,colleges and charity works. LT did wonderful work in Kashmir earthquake in 2005. But underground groups like Laskra-i-Jhangvi Jaisha-i-Muhammad etc are not in our control and killing Pakistan soldiers in FATA or Swat or even killings shias/brelvis in Karachi ,Peshawar,Bannu,Dera Ismail khan etc.May be they have some connections with Mumbai but these groups are not in Pakistan control, not even 5% u can say

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So, you're saying LeT could have been involved in killing non-pakistanis in mumbai as well?

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If LT did all this wonderful work, then our government should not have banned them for "terrorism." Given that we did ban them, and are allowing them to run around openly, is it any wonder that no one in the world is believing our denials?

I think it is premature to blame any group for Mumbai attacks. But I'll not be surprised if LT is found responsible. They are a jihadi group and jihadi groups have historically been hypocritical in denying attacks on civilians but doing them anyway.

The fact that we have "banned" groups operating openly in our country is enough for people to be skeptical of our government's sincerety.

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True, we have also 'banned" TTP. We all know what good that did us.

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A very close relative of mine was our ambassador to multiple countries. According to him, the situation is quiet grim.

Pakistan has been given a choice to either "arrest" the alleged Mumbai suspects and hand them over to FBI or at least try them like that Daniel Pearl killer Omar Sheikh, or face sanctions and be declared a terrorist state. Condi Rice and US military chief also threatened to bomb LT "camps" in AJK and even NWFP.

Zardari is dead man walking. If he agrees to any of this, Gen. Kayani will put all the blame on him and 10% is toast. If he does not agree, he will face the blame for "not presenting Pakistan's case" properly.

We are in for tough times. :(

This could be a another motivation of mumbai attack by ISI/LeT

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Indeed. This reminds me of the whole Kargil operation.

We had Ganja Sharif trying to make peace with India. There was word of "Chenab formula" and some real progress being made in the back channels. But Army put paid to all that. Many people still believe that Kargil somehow raised the profile of Kashmir issue. It did., but not to Pakistan's favour. Kargil caused world to look at Pakistan as an adventurist state. It also caused doubt on our claims because we were caught lying that it was not our troops.

I hope Mumbai was not a set up for another coup. Zardari is bad and is a total buffoon but he needs to be replaced through elections, not by conspiracy or coup.

If any connection to Lashkar-e-Tayba is proven then we can all kiss our "moral" support for Kashmiri freedom fighters goodbye. Kashmir cause will be forever tarnished by the sheer brutality of this attack.

I wonder these jehadis were not created in eighties otherwise killing of Indra and his son would have been also the work of jehadis:)

911 kay baad musalmano ki jo shamat aaehay, woh jaanay ka naam nahin leti. of and on these so called jehadis emerged as al-quaeda, taliban, Lt etc. aor bacharay musalmano ko koi patta nahih hay ke yeh pur asraar bandaay kon hain aor in ko kon finance kar raha hay. Yeh muthi bhar hewan supported by west and hindus made muslims' lives miserable. Allah jaanay is azaab se muslamanon ki kab jaan chootay gi.:(

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McClatchy Washington Bureau | 12/06/2008 | Pakistani villagers confirm it’s the home of Mumbai killer

so it is them!

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I can see a major climbdown coming.

After our forceful denials and angry statements saying no Pakistani can be involved etc. we will be forced to make some "arrests." No one can then credibly explain to our jazbaati media and angry public about why Pakistani is "taking action" after all denials.

My Kargil analogy is proving more and more correct. At that time civilian government lost face because they could not explain why "mujahideen" are retreating after hearing weeks of reports of their successes against Indian army.

Now Zardari will lose face.

Both times the ISI and army were the main instigators of the action and the climbdown but forced the civilians to take the blame.

Let's all prepare for President Kayani and the next LFO.