Lal Masjid to start attacking CD shops! Welcome to the New Pakistan.

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did MMA control it in NWFP? did they control local movies?

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taleban and US were palsy once. remember they visited the grwat satan in mid 90s?

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Beautiful post.
Bhai point is Did they want to control it?? No!
mush mo-fo want to impose his bysharam ideas on our family.

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So music is illegal in Islam, movies like home alone 2 are illegal in Islam...
Adult movies, which adult movies are you talking about? XXX movies arent sold in Pakistan.
There is nothing wrong with what these cd and music vendors sell... And even if a few cideos do seem a little racey, then you shouldnt be punishing the entire collective industry. And I dont know what SCANDAL your talking about.
The govt and most sane people believe they have a right to watch what they see fit... If your not interested in these videos, then by all means, dont watch them or dont buy them.
NO one has a right to dictate to anyone what they should or shouldnt be watching. Not the govt, and certainly not these relgious fanatics.
If you have a problem with such videos and cds, then perhaps you should protest... But violent actions are not going to be tolerated.
Your not the only person in PAKISTAN, so dont try to dictate to anyone. These cd's are popular because people buy them... Blame the people.

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NO ONE IS IMPOSING ANYTHING ON YOU... Control your family, leave the rest of us alone!

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Back then USA was just a satan- he got title "Great" after bombing AFG/iraq

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Let me "open" YOUR BRAIN TO THIS...
The Taliban, were invited and they went to Washington around 1998 to discuss some pipeline related issue. I believe the US was interested in funding the project, or allowing some US company to function there.
The Problems started when Osama and Al Qaeda became the "guests" of the Taliban. Osama attacked the USS Cole, plus the embassy bombing in Africa.
Can the US be expect to cooperate with a nation that is harboring and abbeting someone who is opnely and violently hostiel towards the US?!?! Even by Islamic standards, the US was in the right since they were defending themselves.

Still you havent answered any of those charges? What did the US have to do with closing girls schools? What did the US have to do with the persecution of Afghan intelectuals, musicians, poets, teachers, doctors etc. What did the US have to do with the systematic destruction of Afghan heritage, and Pakhtun culture? Did the US force those Taliban idiot to destroy the Bamiyan buddhas? To this day I feel like vomiting every time I hear them shout "Allah' O aKBAR" as they blow up those beautiful buddahs. This is the US's ofcourse. Wake up man, take responsibility for the crimes, dont defend the indefensible.

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Be-careful choosing the words.

I don't assume you understand what imposing means.

For you know knowledge ---In usa its know fact that TV shows shape the family role.
American mother is not different the the mother figures shown on TV.
So TV do impose things on us.
We had TV all over pak history. Nice plays some time open some time not so open.
But now It has gone out of control. People on street 90% don't approve what they see on tv.
But hey its pakistan who cares... Till we mature to that point "don't see it if u don't like " we will have few of our generations spoiled by media.

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My dear brother,

did I mentioned the movies like home alone etc.. i clearly said these CD shops were in business of spreading nudity... iam not talking of Haram and Halal of Music... my reply was pin-pointed.

Tell me are u in favor of selling XXX movies... in 80s and 90s most of them were of western people.. now the high demand is to have same of Locals. who will be these locals?? they must be daughters and sisters of someone.. are willing to see them nude..

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When in America, someone doesnt like what they see on tc, they turn the tv off.
Whne in PAKISTAN, someone doesnt like the tv, they suicide bomb the studios and kill the hosts...
Would you perfer that solution?
If everyone is against whats on the tv, funny how these channels are still making a profit?
And imposing is a very simple definition. What the Lal MASJID is doing is IMPOSING their views on the masses. MOST people have no problem with these cd shops, and those that do, dont go to them. Why is that such a problem for you? Why not just leave society to itself and you can worry about yourself and your familly?
The whole debate is stupid, as cd and music shops are probably the most innocent form of entertainment in Pakistan. A country that is desperately in need of entertainment, but I guess enjoying life is also haram in Islam.
By the way, the dynamic between media and society is far more complex then you think... The two feed of each other. The media reflects what is happening in the country, as much as the general society reflects what its watching on tv...

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HGHome alone 2 is among the kinds of movies the Lal Masjid morons are trying to get rid of!
What NUDITY are you talking about!! I have been to these stores, and I saw NO nudity! You might have seen one bad cd your entire life and I suppose that was enough to make you thing thats all thats sold in Pakistan!
The Lal Masjid is more then welcome in demands the end of NUDITY, but they are saying NO music cds, no music of any kind, no videos, no films no nothing!

And you have to be completly out of your mind to think im in favor of XXX films... You religous people jump to the most ridiculous conclusions... If we dont agree with you 100 percent, we must be competley against you!
What im saying is that you CANT control such things.. You can try, but you wont be succesful.

Pakistani cd shops, are not allowed to sell these XXX films, most dont, but if they do, then they should be punished. But regardless of what you do, you cant change society. The high demand for locals is happening under your very nose. This high demand was there even before the videos showed up... They occur across Pakistan in the Mujra parlors across the country... Those have been open long before tv was introduced in the country. Pakistanis have been horny goats long before the tv was introduced.
But forcing cd shops to close down isnt a solution, since the cd shops are not the problem. If you think the cd shops are the problem, then you are extremely naive.
In the end, Pakistan belongs to everyone, not just you.

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somehow ur above reply suggests that either u dont know what is going down in the Video/CD-shops and just arguing for the sake of argument or u know every thing what is going on but want to close ur eyes from that bit, coz it is being done by Moderates.

These CDs are sold openly, authorites knew that and did nothing... what option does ppl are left with! allow these kind of shops which are selling "things" against the religion and laws of country.

This is what u r suggesting...

Now coming to ur post, most of things u say is based on assumptions.. like u said

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And you have to be completly out of your mind to think im in favor of XXX films
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brother can u mention where did i accused u for the quoted text.

and when u say that CDs are not the problem then i suggests me that either u are not aware of simple law of Demand and Supply (powered by marketing) or u r just bypassing them...

I agree these mujras where there long before cds came out.. but isn't this a fact that at that time it was limited and not was in the access of every one.

Iam sorry brother but the logic u r giving can be used for defending Drug business... the very logic give them right to have their Point of Sales every where as well.. because the reasons people get in this business and/or get addicted are provided by the society as well

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BTW the way, Pakistan Does Belong to me, and i dont want my next generation to be exposed to such kind of immorality... if u want u can teach urs by urself or hire a tutor or whatever needs to be done.. but not on the land which was created in the name of Islam...

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These CDs are NOT sold openly.. I HAVE been Jinnah super, to Sadar, to Music and CD shops in Lahore and Karachi... If they are selling XXX films, then its behind closed doors... If the Lal Masjid knows this is happening, then by all means, BURN EVERY XXX film you find! But for god sake man, why are you targeting music cds and clean wholsome movies?
The people habe an option, they can protest and force the cd vendors to destroy these films...
BUT AGAIN! THE LAL MASJID IS ATTACKING ALLLLLLLL CD SHOPS AND ALLLLLL CDS!
Why is that so hard for you to read?!?!?

I am VERY much aware of supply and demand... AND if people are so against these cds, then by law and demand, these cd vendors who distrinbute such movies would have gone out of bussiness long ago.
IF the Mujra industry has expanded, then you cant blame ALL cd vendors or video distributors. The Lal Masjid could be excused for demanding these cds be destroyes, but they are attacking ALL cd stores. They arent only after xxx cds, but they are after ALL music and vidoes in general.

As for drug bussiness, tell me if this is logical... If 3 million Pakistanis are addicted to Heroiin, I suppose by the same logic that drives you to turn against all cd shops, we should destroy all drugs in general...
Now is there are some bad cds and dirty videos out there, does that mean we destroy ALL cds?!?!?
And honestly, do my point was simple, if you get rid of cd shops, do you really think you can control vice in Pakistan? NO vice has ever been controled through out right bans. Obsecenity will always be in Pakistan, in one form or another, all you can do is try to regulate it.

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Pakistan also belongs to me and I dont want it to be turned into an Islamist fundamentalist nation where the rights of men and trounced on... I like the way Pakistan is... Pakista is the nation of the Quaid, not Hannibal saab. Pakistan can never be turned into an Islamist hell hole. Thats what we are here to do, to fight for the soul of Pakistan, and if its means fighting you with guns, fists, or latti charges, then so be it. But Pakistan will never turn into an Islamist hell the way you would want it to.
If you and your kind think they can take our nation by force and threats, then you have another thing coming.

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Attacking CD shops is just another cheap ploy to gain attention by these two Isi agents. Everyone in Islamabad knows the Ghazi brothers are Isi agents and have always been doing their bidding.

If CD shops are a threat to moral values then we have Maderrassas spreading sectarian hatred, should we close and burn down ALL Maderrassas including Jamia Hafsa? Probably makes more sense to ban all Maderssass cause they are the reason why Pakistan has suffered sectarian killings, suicide bombings, illegal occupation of lands, extortion in the name of religion and worst of all radicalization of Pak society.

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Highly regulated Madrassas might be a solution...
And I hoenstly hope ur right about those two being ISI agents...
But I guess it wouldnt matter if they were ISI agents or Mickey mouse club member if they really did start attacking cd shops.
Perhaps if they did attack the shops, it would force the govt and maybe even the opposition (however unlikely) to join forces against them, and we might finally see some action being taken.

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when i saw the title of this thread i wanted to laugh :rotfl:…it’s all about how much advantage they are taking from the government

Musharraf isn’t a coward, but no one is listening to him and before anyone says anything, he can’t exactly kill off all of the lal masjid supporters? and they argue back and fight/hit back when police try stopping it all. If he did decide to kill that many people, not sure if many of us would like it either :p…say one thign and when that thing is done you criticise it (“you all” as in generally)

Musharraf is in the wrong as well, he should have taken action when all this started first, but he let it expand :)…he let them take advantage of him so it’s his fault too

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Closing down maderassas has been used as an analogy to show the flawed logic behind burning of Cd shops. Maderrassas have been around for centuries, mostly good but some bad and the bad usually get more press. Similarly, there are Cd shop owners who do sell x-rated movies, but who do they sell them? Ofcourse there is a natural demand in society that motivates Cd shops to deal in pornoraphy.

We have corrupt maulvis, politicians, feudals, army ppl, industrialists does that mean all these institutions need to be closed? What the JH ppl are demanding is basically a very narrow minded view of a select few and that too for ST publicity stunts.

As for the Isi link, well there is hardly any political mulla party that does not share a past with Isi. As for the Ghazi's, yes they are very much Isi ppl.

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Guys please keep your cool and stay as close to the topic as possible.