Lal Masjid Siege Thread - Operation Silence (merged)

[I_m_Kool]

Re: Breaking News: Paramilitary Police clash with Lal Mosque idiots!

I was completely in favor of the operation but that disgusting interview has made me sick. Did you listen to Dr Shahid Masood, in a civilized society even a murderer has some rights. so please do not go on disgracing the people. This is not a battle against few bearded people but of hearts and minds of nation. We may produce more revengeful feelings.

Till today every one was against these brothers including their uleman bretheren but today people have started questioning the motives of this disgraceful act. It was a shame to stage a Burqa removal.

Even a murderer? This man has been a cause for various deaths, along with other federal offenses such as kidnapping and hostage taking. And if Pakistan was such a "civilized society" (by that I take you mean most western countries) this clown would have been snipped out a long time ago as they have no tolerance for terrorists in the act of committing acts of terrorism. It is only because of the generosity of the government and the intention of Pervez Musharaf to paint a good image of himself that he is still alive.

[Zero_one]

Re: Breaking News: Paramilitary Police clash with Lal Mosque idiots!

Now both Phones Off .... both called dropped at the same time ..... hmmm where r the conspiracy theories ?????

[MKF]

Re: Breaking News: Paramilitary Police clash with Lal Mosque idiots!

@USResident

Hey MKF, don’t understand why you would call it a disgrace for the government. I thought its supposed to demoralize his likes and followers.

USR, this interview has rather generated sympathy for that idiot. It all looked a stage drama.

In a battle of hearts and minds, you never disgrace the icons of a movement you are opposing so that people keep their listening mode open. If you disgrace the icons, they will shut their minds.

this is same as Allah said that do not say bad to their gods in front of them so that they do not get irritated. That was a classic way of fighting battle of hearts and minds.

This battle is not over with Lal Masjid but this issue exposed these idiot maulvies to common public who revered them. if you disgrace them, the message will not reach to common public and we will loose a golden opportunity.

[Sa1eem]

Re: Breaking News: Paramilitary Police clash with Lal Mosque idiots!

Pakistan should treat them in civilised manner. That means, they should get executed after prosecution. There is no tragedy here, rather their execution means saving Pakistan from tragedy in future.

[PyariCgudia]

Re: Breaking News: Paramilitary Police clash with Lal Mosque idiots!

I think that negotiating with retard Abdul Rashid would be a disaster for Pakistan. Some might say that it would save lives but I believe that fact is much different from truth. Suppose that government negotiates and let this retard with some in that building go without proper persecution, than it would be a disaster for future and would be giving a wrong signals to other retards all over Pakistan.

Tomorrow, Lal building type fiasco would start at other places too with expectation that in the end the worst would be no persecution for all mayhem and even murder but amnesty after all, rather more the situation would be worse the more chance of better deal with government of amnesty from all persecutions.

This means, many lives going to get lost due to these type of retards in future and it would keep happening.

Just imagine that Lal building ninja and goat troops, under the command of retard (Rashid), his retarded brother (Aziz), and wife of Aziz made threat to government with suicide bombings, took laws in their hand, occupied lands illegally, did kidnappings of local people as well as foreigners, and even murder.

If anyone thinks that such people should get any type of amnesty or safe passages are themselves retard. These people should get arrested and persecuted according to the law of the land, without any compromise or sympathy.

These retards of Lal Building should be given only two options, that is to surrender or die. NO NEGOTIATION .. NO COMPROMISE ... NO SYMPATHY. Any negotiation, compromise, sympathy ... means wrong message to other retards.

I agree with your sentiments, but you're forgetting that he's got supposedly 400 women and girls in there. He's got a group of orphans with him. Why these people are not surrendering, like others have, I don't understand.

Regardless, they have to be careful of how they handle the situation, lest this guy send out a little girl into the crowds of army officials with a bomb strapped to her chest.

[Sir_Dig_A_Lot]

Re: Breaking News: Paramilitary Police clash with Lal Mosque idiots!

I don't know about MFK, but i fully expect people who only had hesitant opposition to Lal Masjid (hareem, moin-ul-atiq, perhaps mfk) to change their convinctions and opposition to lal masjid using the excuse of 'government's excessive tactics)

[Sa1eem]

Re: Breaking News: Paramilitary Police clash with Lal Mosque idiots!

I agree with your sentiments, but you're forgetting that he's got supposedly 400 women and girls in there. He's got a group of orphans with him. Why these people are not surrendering, like others have, I don't understand.

Regardless, they have to be careful of how they handle the situation, lest this guy send out a little girl into the crowds of army officials with a bomb strapped to her chest.

Sister, if there would be negotiation, and amnesty, then in future there would be many 1000s of women and girls that would lose their lives because of other copycat retards following their foot step.

[MKF]

Re: Breaking News: Paramilitary Police clash with Lal Mosque idiots!

Dude, did you not read what i wrote at the top of my post.

1) making him cover his head and then uncover it was unnecessary and shouldn't be done. but it shouldn't all of a sudden change your convictions against the mullahs unless they were pretty shaky to begin with ;) ;)

2) he was interviewed on burqa cuz he was arrested in burqa. personal prefernceds, what can we do

3) he was interviewed to keep the public calm and exert pressure on lal masjid.

if you are still disgusted, too bad for you.

UNDER ORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES, arresting a murderer Doesn't have the same risk of public violence and unrest as the arrest of this terrorist had.

Do not argue like George Bush, with me or against me.

I say if we disgrace him like this, the common people in Pakistan will take it as a disgrace of a beard or whatever. The newsreel was enough to tell people that he was running in a Burqa.

I say do not loose this opportunity to show the real face of these idiots to the common man. Do not do such acts which divert the attention from main theme to semantics.

[PyariCgudia]

Re: Breaking News: Paramilitary Police clash with Lal Mosque idiots!

Okay, so should we start bets on how many days this is going to last? I say, it'll be over on Friday. Maybe when these Jaahils do their Juma prayers they'll have some "revelation" from God to cut their crap.

[ehsan]

Re: Breaking News: Paramilitary Police clash with Lal Mosque idiots!

Pakistan should treat them in civilised manner. That means, they should get executed after persecution. There is no tragedy here, rather their execution means saving Pakistan from tragedy in future.

I think you mean prosecution and not persecution.

[Sir_Dig_A_Lot]

Re: Breaking News: Paramilitary Police clash with Lal Mosque idiots!

pcg; the remaining ones are not surrendering cuz they have balock and foreign terrorists (jihadis) in the masjid too who came to defend them int eh past few months. THOSE people know that they have no future after surrendering, so they are bound to make a last stand,

[nwcs]

Re: Breaking News: Paramilitary Police clash with Lal Mosque idiots!

There's too many people in the top brass of the Pakistan army and ISI who have sympathies to Lala Mandir retards, Taliban and al-Qaeda. If Musharraf was a real dictator with any cajones, he would start from the top. But in reality, he is an impotent and cowardly blowhard, who gives a pass to fundo retards, and this cheap show is getting quite boring. I want to see this mandir blown up completely and everyone who is in the jaloos supporting these fundos to be shot at it first and asked questions later.

[PyariCgudia]

Re: Breaking News: Paramilitary Police clash with Lal Mosque idiots!

Sister, if there would be negotiation, and amnesty, then in future there would be many 1000s of women and girls that would lose their lives because of other copycat retards following their foot step.

Oh I agree there should be serious punishments for all the ones involved in planning and implementing these silly Lal Masjid shanigans.

What I'm saying is that at the moment, they just can't go in with brute force and start firing everywhere. They can't drop a strict danda until everyone is out of there, sorted, and the innocents sent home.

[Sir_Dig_A_Lot]

Re: Breaking News: Paramilitary Police clash with Lal Mosque idiots!

There's too many people in the top brass of the Pakistan army and ISI who have sympathies to Lala Mandir retards, Taliban and al-Qaeda. If Musharraf was a real dictator with any cajones, he would start from the top. But in reality, he is an impotent and cowardly blowhard, who gives a pass to fundo retards, and this cheap show is getting quite boring. I want to see this mandir blown up completely and everyone who is in the jaloos supporting these fundos to be shot at it first and asked questions later.

MFK: Now this is a response that could be thought of as heavy handed, not what you were talking about earlier.

[MKF]

Re: Breaking News: Paramilitary Police clash with Lal Mosque idiots!

I don't know about MFK, but i fully expect people who only had hesitant opposition to Lal Masjid (hareem, moin-ul-atiq, perhaps mfk) to change their convinctions and opposition to lal masjid using the excuse of 'government's excessive tactics)

I was fully in favor of the action sir jee.

what i am saying that if you do excessive tactics, that will save these idiots from being exposed. It is the common man who needs to be convinced that these mullahs are idiots, not the scholars or this forum. and anything doing disgrace to beard will provoke extreme reaction by the common man.

Do the negotiations, give full chance of avoiding bloodshed but if it necessary do it as less as possible to achieve your aim.

Do not have a victory euphoria please as loss is of Pakistan in any case.

[PyariCgudia]

Re: Breaking News: Paramilitary Police clash with Lal Mosque idiots!

pcg; the remaining ones are not surrendering cuz they have balock and foreign terrorists (jihadis) in the masjid too who came to defend them int eh past few months. THOSE people know that they have no future after surrendering, so they are bound to make a last stand,

I doubt the orphan girls are among these terrorists. 400 women = terrorists ?

Hard to believe. Either some of these people are being held against their will, or they are, as you say, standing their ground because they know its Guantanomo or some Pakistani equivalent from this point on.

Its also possibly that they're being told something else from the inside, and are scared crap to leave. I doubt they're watching GEO from inside the masjid.

[MKF]

Re: Breaking News: Paramilitary Police clash with Lal Mosque idiots!

MFK: Now this is a response that could be thought of as heavy handed, not what you were talking about earlier.

Thanks God that he is not the one dealing with this operation. He wants to see nothing but blood.

[Sa1eem]

Re: Breaking News: Paramilitary Police clash with Lal Mosque idiots!

Okay, so should we start bets on how many days this is going to last? I say, it'll be over on Friday. Maybe when these Jaahils do their Juma prayers they'll have some "revelation" from God to cut their crap.

As for some girls not surrendering, I believe that either they are under blackmail, held in duress, or are brainwashed.

Regarding when it would finish? I believe that government can do that anytime. Only difference is that, if they do it immediately there would be more loss of lives then if they would wait and do conclude things later.

[Sa1eem]

Re: Breaking News: Paramilitary Police clash with Lal Mosque idiots!

I think you mean prosecution and not persecution.

Trueeeeeeeeeee :D sorry for that mistake, thanks for reminding :) I changed it now ;)

[Sir_Dig_A_Lot]

Re: Breaking News: Paramilitary Police clash with Lal Mosque idiots!

Rocket launcher used against govt forces. Earlier, ghazi rat #1 had claimed that they only had ak47.

Will the islamists call him a liar, i have my doubts