Lal Masjid Siege Thread - Operation Silence (merged)

Re: Breaking News: Paramilitary Police clash with Lal Mosque idiots!

You're justifying their actions. These people are breaking laws and they should be punish for it, including those so called "sisters" who are attacking privates homes, cd shops and other businesses. They already killed a ranger's man, and govt should NOT let them turn Islamabad into Mogadishu or Baghdad. Time to act is now.

Re: Breaking News: Paramilitary Police clash with Lal Mosque idiots!

Oh brother if u try to get the understanding of Quran, then u will find out that, It is Haram for a Muslim to Kill Another Muslim ( or a human for that matter) to take their belongings and their hurmat.
(based on this Hazrat Ali (RZA) passed on that regulation, (as it was first civil war amoung muslims)

And now u are ready to take your own sisters are "Bandi", who in right mind will do that!

I have brothers on both sides, i can chear any one, if boys and gals of Lal masjid dies, it is lose to me and nation, if our Rangers dies it is also loss to me and the nation... who will benefit from this bloodshed? have created all this mess.

I must say that our Agencies ( ISI and MI) could have taken away the leader of trouble makers and all the issue could have been resolved.. but i think leader will survive and common student who have not seen the other side will pay

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Re: Breaking News: Paramilitary Police clash with Lal Mosque idiots!

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/IG04Df03.html

Pakistan in crisis over mosque attack
By Syed Saleem Shahzad

KARACHI - After months of playing cat and mouse, Pakistani paramilitary forces were on Tuesday let loose against Lal Masjid (Red Mosque) in Islamabad, run by outspoken brothers Maulana Abdul Aziz and Ghazi Abdul Rasheed.

Analysts see the action as the precursor to a major operation in Pakistan against the Taliban and al-Qaeda, whose ideological heartland is the controversial mosque. The brothers also run large

Islamic seminaries - madrassas - for thousands of boys and girls.

The government has been reluctant to take action against the clerics and students as they have widespread support all the way to the volatile tribal areas on the border with Afghanistan. The students have had several run-ins with the authorities over their attempts to impose Taliban-style social values in the capital, but in all cases the government has backed off.

The government of President General Pervez Musharraf is deeply concerned that the brothers have considerable influence within the establishment, not to mention the masses and jihadist circles. Last week, Musharraf claimed that suicide bombers from an al-Qaeda-linked militant group, Jaish-e-Mohammad, were in the mosque.

Musharraf is under pressure from the United States to take action against the Taliban, who have taken control of large swaths on the border with Afghanistan, and al-Qaeda, whose presence in the country is growing.

Apparently, Maulana Fazlur Rahman, the leader of the opposition in Parliament, gave his tacit support for the government to confront the Taliban. The opposition six-party religious alliance, the Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal (MMA), is also said to have agreed with Musharraf during a National Security Council meeting on Monday that extremism should be confronted with “iron hands”.

Nevertheless, this is not the pulse of the whole country. MMA president Qazi Hussain Ahmed is strongly behind Lal Masjid and on Wednesday is expected to call for it to be supported.

Clashes at the mosque began after masked security personnel erected fences on all the roads leading to the mosque in the heart of Islamabad. Within half an hour, dozens of student vigilantes, also wearing masks, tried to move the barricades, and clashes ensued.

There have been reports of tear gas being fired, and shots have been heard. The students used stones to pelt the police. Early reports indicated that several people might already have died; certainly there have been injuries.

**As soon as the firing started, Aziz announced on the mosque’s loudspeakers that the students should put on suicide jackets and be ready to carry out attacks on any security people entering the mosque.

This spooked the security personnel and they retreated, but were instructed to maintain the siege. Appeals were also made on the loudspeakers for the residents of Islamabad to help the students and “mujahideen”. Some government buildings in Islamabad are reported to have been attacked.**

Contacts in jihadist circles told Asia Times Online that there will be a reaction all over the country, including in Karachi, Lahore and Peshawar. They claimed that more than 1,000 jihadis were already on their way to the capital.

The jihadi contacts also said any peace agreements with the government in Bajur agency and the Waziristan tribal areas would be terminated. After a series of disastrous military offensives to try to contain militancy and Taliban activities in the tribal areas, the government made several deals under which it withdrew its troops and made peace deals.

Indeed, it was a fatwa - religious decree - issued by the brothers at Lal Masjid that provoked the fierce reaction against the Pakistani military presence in the tribal areas. The fatwa called on people not to say funeral prayers or bury soldiers in Muslim graveyards if they were killed fighting against the Taliban.

Syed Saleem Shahzad is Asia Times Online’s Pakistan Bureau Chief. He can be reached at [email protected].

Re: Breaking News: Paramilitary Police clash with Lal Mosque idiots!

Just a side note :
and wat does islam say about government patronizing brothels and liquor shops and night clubs and mixed gatherings..then wat should the citizens do?
should they go to the law enforcement agencies? they did but nothing came up..thats why these lal masjid freaks came out. instead these agencies are involved in these businesses too

and plz.. i m NOT AT ALL in favour of mulla-ism..:)

Re: Breaking News: Paramilitary Police clash with Lal Mosque idiots!

Brother try to understand something said according to the pretext. Obviously those girls to me are as valuable and respectable as any Pakistani girls (or any Muslim girls anywhere in world), even though they are misguided to me they have their right as equal to any Pakistani. To me, they even have right to stay misguided. Only thing I do not like of them is that they are criminals (breaking the law of Pakistan) and that their misguidance affects others as they interfering with the life of others. Can’t you understand that?

What you think, what I wrote was meant to be really serious writing with wish that what I wrote should happen? Or if such would happen what I wrote, I would like that? I did not really (I mean ‘REALLY’) meant that Ninjas should be taken as salves (right hand possesses). I would not even like that any of those goats or that retard Abdul Rashid Paji to get killed. What I wrote was sarcastic remarks.

Re: Breaking News: Paramilitary Police clash with Lal Mosque idiots!

Why people are calling Masjid - mandir? Masjid or Mandir both are places for worship! This is giving an impression that Mandir is a place from where such threatening activities originate?

Re: Breaking News: Paramilitary Police clash with Lal Mosque idiots!

It is an internal matter and we should avoid to mock other's religion in it!

Re: Breaking News: Paramilitary Police clash with Lal Mosque idiots!

Such innocent "students" b*****shing AK-47's, setting fire to Environment Ministry and Revenue Office, shooting Ranger official dead. They have all my sympathies.

Re: Breaking News: Paramilitary Police clash with Lal Mosque idiots!

^good point......may be they want to give this impression that India is supporting Lal-masjid lots.

Re: Breaking News: Paramilitary Police clash with Lal Mosque idiots!

Islamabad Model College nai kisi ka kia bigara hai

Re: Breaking News: Paramilitary Police clash with Lal Mosque idiots!

The place can be called Mandir because it is not Masjid. Masjid cannot be built on illegally occupied (or stolen) land neither any Salat on those lands could be called salat. Obviously Allah cannot have his house on stolen land and thus Allah cannot be worshiped in such places (built on illegally occupied or stolen lands). Mandir is worshiping place for any number of Gods and since these people also worship some sort of God who can have his worshiping place (his house) on stolen land, its Ok to call that place Mandir.

Re: Breaking News: Paramilitary Police clash with Lal Mosque idiots!

awww…look at them “students” :rolleyes:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/specials/1018_lalmosque_clash/

Re: Breaking News: Paramilitary Police clash with Lal Mosque idiots!

but.....you might offend some non-muslim by calling it mandir....

Re: Breaking News: Paramilitary Police clash with Lal Mosque idiots!

I agree onthe 1st part that Masjid cannot be build on illegal ground so no prayer can be offered in that place.

but i don't agree on the other part, Mandir is considred to be place where Hindu perform their prayers.

Re: Breaking News: Paramilitary Police clash with Lal Mosque idiots!

Well, Hindus have many different Gods. One Hindu might not worship God other Hindu worship. But nevertheless, all worshiping place can be called Mandir, regardless of which god people worship. Masjid is a place where only Allah can be worshiped exclusively, Allah who is honest and proud and would never like to have his house on illegally occupied or stolen lands. That means the unknown God Lal Mandir people worship, God that can have his house on illegally occupied or stolen land (that obviously cannot be Allah), then why Hindus should mind if that place is called Mandir?

Re: Breaking News: Paramilitary Police clash with Lal Mosque idiots!

:halo: …where are the rangers?

Re: Breaking News: Paramilitary Police clash with Lal Mosque idiots!

Point is, Mandir is a place where prayer is performed by a certain religion, and this place shuold be respected

Re: Breaking News: Paramilitary Police clash with Lal Mosque idiots!

OMG look at all kinds of weapons they have. Police and rangers are no match for them. I think govt. need to send in some tanks to take care of this mess.

Re: Breaking News: Paramilitary Police clash with Lal Mosque idiots!

Death toll is now 5!

Re: Breaking News: Paramilitary Police clash with Lal Mosque idiots!

err…they r “supposed” to be carrying the guns. Are they not?