Pakpatriot said that he respects only white converts so i gave her an example of Yvonne Ridley…and now suddenly Yvonne Ridley has become an average joe in some people’s eyes bcoz she doesn’t think like you…
So what kind of white converts was he talking about. Oh he also named Shaykh Hamza Yusuf…so when did Hamza Yusuf declared that Jamia Hafsa students should be killed or raped by American soldiers?
And Fraudz Sahib…Yvonne Ridley is not American. She is British.
You didnt understand my first post because you were to pissed off to read carefully, and thenyou made a lame saracastic remark to make yourself sound clever…
I didnt say I support white Muslims only. There are many great Black Muslims in America who are also deserve respect.
Yvonne ridley first of all, isnt a mullah.
Also, she never said anything like blow up the kufar, nor did she term anyone as kufar, or issue FATWAS, etc. She hasnt gone around demanding everyone start wearing the veil.. She hasnt preached any kind of hatred for anyone the way man of our mullah elite have.
You said she is against brothels, and I told you thats a good thing. But thats a view taken by everyone including secular society. In fact secular society has done far better in controling it then any of the Muslim countries have.
Yvone ridley isnt considered an intelectual by most, thats not me talking.
She is a courageous woman and a very brave jouranalist, but her Islamic credential, thats a bit dubious considering she has only been a Muslim for whats, 7-8 years?
And the reason she has become popular is like Fraudia said, she is an oddity… Here is a woman who converted after being arrested and jailed by the like of the Taliban no less… If it werent for this fact, and if she were anyone else, no one would care about her.
As converts though, and particulalry those who take up leadership roles most that I have listened to, have focused on things that appeal to me… They focus on humanity, serving god not just through jihad the war, but jihad of the soul.. And its because these converts come from a more open society without the cultural and tribal baggage that plagues our Middle Eastern, Desi mullahs. These converts wont obsess overthe length of a womens burqa, etc.
On the other hand, I can give you countless of example of Desi or Middle Eastern Mullahs I have listend to, they often will rant about who is or isnt a pious woman, who is or isnt a kafir (this often includes Shias), they joy of dieing in the name of god, the evil of the jews. Although in the West they have toned it down since 9/11, they are still going strong in Pakistan Afghanistan, and the Arab world.
So yeah, if you want to see the Muslim world come out of this Jahaluth, then you cant rely on your traditional homegrown mullahs… They are corrupted. To bring a chnage to Muslims, you will have to rely on Western converts, who have the zeal for Islam, minus the social, societal, patrenalistc baggage of other Mullahs.
. And I really don't care what an ahmadi think of a good muslimah like Sis Yvonne. your harsh and rude words will not harm anyone except yourself.....May Allah guide you towards the path of Islam.
What in gods name does this have to do with Ahmadis? Just because I support Ahmadis when you religous nut jobs start bashing them makes me Ahmadi? Yvonne may be a good "muslimah" BUT she has nothing to do with me and thus I dont give two sh1ts about her... She is like a id said, a side show for people like you...
Second you completely missed the point, and your bringing a dead point from onther thread thats closed and has nothing to do with this thread. Losen your scarf and let the circulation flow sister.
Your pseudo intelectual sarcastic comments are only going to harm you.
Fact of the matter is Hareem, your no better then the bigoted short sighted losers of that lal Masjid... Its to bad your sitting in England or you would probably be occupying that Library to...
If you dont have anything inteligent to say, dont say anything.
Mahy ALLAH guide YOU towards the path to Islam...
What in gods name does this have to do with Ahmadis? Just because I support Ahmadis when you religous nut jobs start bashing them makes me Ahmadi? Yvonne may be a good "muslimah" BUT she has nothing to do with me and thus I dont give two sh1ts about her... She is like a id said, a side show for people like you...
Second you completely missed the point, and your bringing a dead point from onther thread thats closed and has nothing to do with this thread. Losen your scarf and let the circulation flow sister.
Your pseudo intelectual sarcastic comments are only going to harm you.
Fact of the matter is Hareem, your no better then the bigoted short sighted losers of that lal Masjid... Its to bad your sitting in England or you would probably be occupying that Library to...
If you dont have anything inteligent to say, dont say anything.
Mahy ALLAH guide YOU towards the path to Islam...
I appreciate your level of tolerance towards muslims women. Learn something from great people like Shaykh Hamza Yusuf.
I appreciate your level of tolerance towards muslims women. Learn something from great people like Shaykh Hamza Yusuf.
Muslim women who are logical and progressive deserve all the respect in the world.
Muslim women who obsesivly run after non issues like chickens with their head cut of make me wonder why people are so blinded by their faith...
That being said, I didnt respond to your post, you responded to mine. If you dont lke what I have to say, dont listen (or read).
So yeah, if you want to see the Muslim world come out of this Jahaluth, then you cant rely on your traditional homegrown mullahs... They are corrupted. To bring a chnage to Muslims, you will have to rely on Western converts, who have the zeal for Islam, minus the social, societal, patrenalistc baggage of other Mullahs.
Do you know who are the teachers of Shaykh Hamza and other Scolars in California?.....they are traditional Islamic Scholars from Syria, Africa and other eastern or Arab countries. Unfortunately These traditional scholars are few and very few in Pakistan and India.
Do you know who are the teachers of Shaykh Hamza and other Scolars in California?.....they are traditional Islamic Scholars from Syria, Africa and other eastern or Arab countries. Unfortunately These traditional scholars are few and very few in Pakistan and India.
Beyond the basics, they didnt teach the much else... The rest is upto Sheik Hamza.. Its up him to decide how he wants to express his understanding of Islam...
Fortunately, he has the wisdom to understand that Islam is more then just forcing women to cover up and making people pray five times a day.
And the fact that these traditional scholars are few and far between validates the point the point... That you cant rely on these old world Mullahs for anything.
It wouldnt hurt for you to actually start thinking outside the box..
Muslim women who are logical and progressive deserve all the respect in the world.
Muslim women who obsesivly run after non issues like chickens with their head cut of make me wonder why people are so blinded by their faith...
That being said, I didnt respond to your post, you responded to mine. If you dont lke what I have to say, dont listen (or read).
By logical I mean just that... The issue regarding the Lal Mosque for instance... These are people who are threatening suicide bombings and your only concern is us showing them respect!
I respect women who have a strong grounding in their faith, and dont need to be told how to express it... I respect women, and infact all religous people who keep their faith to themselves and dont try to impose their beliefs on others... I dont respect people who think that they have all the answers and condemn other peole and their beliefs to the fires of hell because they dont agree with their point of view.
I dont respect the Jamia Hafsa girls because they are holier the thou radicals whos goal is to put make up all over Islam and forget about the real issues that face the country...
Do these women have any regard for the fact that their great leader was calling for acid to be thrown on the faces of QAU girls?
Obviously not, because according to their logic, those girls are going against the tenants of Islam and deserve this punishment... Thats the logic of these people, its sick...
And if you meet these women you will see how illogical these women are... They will say they deserve their rights, but they are willing to accpet whatever their mullah overlord tells them.
Beyond the basics, they didnt teach the much else... The rest is upto Sheik Hamza.. Its up him to decide how he wants to express his understanding of Islam...
Fortunately, he has the wisdom to understand that Islam is more then just forcing women to cover up and making people pray five times a day.
Ofcourse Islam never force anyone ........but when we accept Islam then we should realise our obligation to follow the rules of Allah.
And you've said something about covering up so I remember last week in London Abdal Hakim Murad(convert and scholar) said " he believes any women (muslim or non muslim) despises the hijab is bcoz deep down inside she knows that hijab adorned woman is not really opressed but rather that she represents a symbol against everything unethical and immoral in the current society. She has something of a royal priestly piety about her."
By logical I mean just that... The issue regarding the Lal Mosque for instance... These are people who are threatening suicide bombings and your only concern is us showing them respect!
I respect women who have a strong grounding in their faith, and dont need to be told how to express it... I respect women, and infact all religous people who keep their faith to themselves and dont try to impose their beliefs on others... I dont respect people who think that they have all the answers and condemn other peole and their beliefs to the fires of hell because they dont agree with their point of view.
I dont respect the Jamia Hafsa girls because they are holier the thou radicals whos goal is to put make up all over Islam and forget about the real issues that face the country...
Do these women have any regard for the fact that their great leader was calling for acid to be thrown on the faces of QAU girls?
Obviously not, because according to their logic, those girls are going against the tenants of Islam and deserve this punishment... Thats the logic of these people, its sick...
And if you meet these women you will see how illogical these women are... They will say they deserve their rights, but they are willing to accpet whatever their mullah overlord tells them.
Beyond the basics, they didnt teach the much else... The rest is upto Sheik Hamza.. Its up him to decide how he wants to express his understanding of Islam...
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were you there with Shaykh Hamza when he was studying? Shaykh Hamza himself is teaching traditional Islam.
Ofcourse Islam never force anyone ........but when we accept Islam then we should realise our obligation to follow the rules of Allah.
And you've said something about covering up so I remember last week in London Abdal Hakim Murad(convert and scholar) said " he believes any women (muslim or non muslim) despises the hijab is bcoz deep down inside she knows that hijab adorned woman is not really opressed but rather that she represents a symbol against everything unethical and immoral in the current society. She has something of a royal priestly piety about her."
with so much focus on men's looks and physique now, i think men can be down the royal priestly piety following the example of the touareg.
