Lack of freedom for Muslim of India

[ravage]

Re: Lack of freedom for Muslim of India

@N3m3sis

@ravage

1. I do not believe in 2 nation theory, no Indian does.
2. My comment regarding the 2 nation theory being a self fulfilling prophecy was made in the sense that the Partition created the conditions which facilitated the marginalization of Muslims of post Partition India- the flight of educated elite, the creation of a hostile Muslim neighbour and lack of leadership. These conditions allowed the Mullahs to increase their hold over the Muslim masses and keep them uneducated.

Once again, the conditions described in point number 2 are not either implied, predicted or required for the two nation theory. it is not circumstantial, it is ideological rather than demographic. Therefore to call it a self fulfilling prophecy is either to misunderstand it as a ‘prophecy’ or an insistence on trying to misuse the theory.

It is not based on core belief but empirical evidence. The discrimination against the E. Pakistanis for first 25 yrs of Pakistan’s existence is sufficient to exceed the suffering of all Muslims in post Partition India.

The hypothetical being the treatment of Muslims wouldnt have been worse had the Hindu majority had a broader area to fight for control and power over.

So despite this ethnic suppression ( which is somehow better) Uighars have been reduced to a minority in the Xinkiang province, whilst despite the horrible actions of Hindu fascists the percentage of Indian Muslims’ population continues to grow ?

Nope. simply that it is apples and oranges. I said at the outset when you mentioned China that it is a good comparison, except that I believe the violence to have a significant, if not dominantly, ethnic motive, and is therefore not germane to this discussion.

Are you proposing that if two communities ( religious/ethnic/linguistic) riot against each other, they should be given their own nations ?

Nope. Nor is the two nation theory contingent merely on rioting. It doesnt even have pretensions of application beyond the indian subcontinent or proposing a general rule for Muslim minorities. It is a highly specific theory catering to the historical dynamics of the region we hail from.

Yes. The chauvinistic and sectarian forces which had been held in check while Jinnah was alive, were unleashed on the Pakistani society after his unfortunate death. These forces then allied themselves with various political and feudal interests to the detriment of minority sects in general and Ahmadis in particular.

Too vague, anonymous and speculative to be an interesting discussion for me.

Maybe not, but this “competition” did have pretty tragic consequences for the weaker competitor , particularly for the Muslims of Bengal and Baluchistan.

okay.

You err by mistaking BJP for a party with one point agenda. The ethnic cleansing of Kashmiri Pandits polarized the Indian society, the right wing party took advantage of it and we had tragic events like Babri Mosque and Gujarat. However lately most Indians have learnt that there is no point in blaming Muslims for Pakistan’s deeds, as it leads to self destruction. In 2004 Elections BJP lost badly because of its role in Gujarat riots. So BJP has adapted the development agenda and at the same time is trying to woo Muslims by organizing Iftaar parties.

wow. So between 1989 and 2004 Indian society was learning theres no point in blaming Muslims for Pakistans deeds. Thats one hell of a learning curve. Also its interesting that you say BJP lost because of its role in Gujrat and since then they’ve been hosting iftar parties. How about Modi then. Hes still CM Gujrat isnt he?