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I dont give a damn about whether you block me or nor because your posts even when you left was retarted and now when you came back still are the same infact it has increased
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Just a reminder to him and his fellows, 1) Elimination of corruption in 90 and 9 nine days? it has been 300+ days, what is IK's stance on it today??? he fired two QWP MPAs, but never dare to file a case against them, yet they have filed a defamation case against IK... If these two MPAs were fired on corruption charges, why they are not behind the bar or facing legal process or have returned the looted money??? or IK is going to tell us that he have personal guarantee written to him from these guys???
2) Holding Local bodies election in 90 days? what happened here??? yeah blame it on ECP.. there you go, see how easy it is...
3) Sehat ka Insaf or Insaf key Sehat, dozens of kids have been died because of the KHASRA-VACCINATION program, nor the minister resigned nor anyone was found guilty, while the kids are on death bed, IK enjoying holidays with his kids in London.. isn't that great Change??? oh no, we have seen example of this behavior from Asif Zardari and Nawaz Sharif...
4) Law an Order Situation, it is all time worst, they say Police have been De-politicized, and now you cannot do business without paying BHATTA, you cannot travel between cities nor within Peshawar. My Mother is from this city, i remember peaceful and fearful Peshawar but what the situation is now, was never seen before, even a Judge of Peshawar High Court has to say that we need to improve the law and order situation and won't let city turned into another Karachi.. situation was relatively better in ANP days, yes TTP was there... blasts were there but atleast extortion was not that common.. i guess, as long people in the govt are benefiting from this crime, it is all OK..
Do i need to say more... i believe most of PTI warriors won't be able to read till the 3rd line of this post...
1) There is more than enough accountability to tackle corruption. That is what 'elimination of corruption' is all about. Even PTI ministers have been sidelined for not being up to par. If you want to criticize just for the heck of it, that is another thing. But lets not take away from the fact that red tape, patwari culture and corruption has largely been curtailed in KPK govt sectors since last year.
2. You took pre-emptive measures by mentioning a possible refernce to ECP by any responder. If not ECP, then who else is responsible for holding elections? The KPK govt has passed the necessary ordinance. Preparations are in place. Now its up to the ECP. What do you expect? Should the KPK govt hold the elections on its own?
3. Health initiatives, considering the situation KPK was in, have been tremendous. The drive against polio has largely been a success. Sure there is lots more to be done, but whats been done over the past year, despite the problems with terrorism, have been hailed even by WHO. The measles issue was a bad mistake, and should be rectified. I believe KPK has had a couple of changes in the health ministry over the past year based on performance.
4. When you say that the law and order situation was better under ANP, that reminds me of your thread where you are praising Asif Zardari for PPPs 5 years of misgovernance. In both these cases, its a case of 'an enemy of an enemy is a friend' for you.
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The trust came when he stood with us during the worst Dengue Epidemic and the leader of revolution was in London and never entered the city till the epidemic was controlled by none other then the CM of Punjab, Shahbaz Sharif, he was there doing whatever possible on war-grounds to eliminate it... IK was in London i guess, putting out his book, which has map of Pakistan showing Kashmir part of India...
the worst floods of 2010, our CM Shahbaz Sharif again was on ground with affected people doing whatever possible and he delivered again, Punjab is the only province which managed to re-locate the affected people and built model villages with help of Turkey and Saudi, and where was leader of Change, getting donation collected and saying that he would be sending alot of supplies and medicines to affected areas and shall be building the model villages, on this note, as per his own claim, he was able to collect Rs 2 billion... so far, no one have seen any model villages and the 700 truck carvan has yet to reach any affected area...
People remember who stood with them in their worst times and who ran away to meet his kids in UK
BTW, Yazdi was PTI supporter and not an aira ghair arm chair warrior, he personally met IK and was persuaded to join PTI by IK after the Lahore Jalsa... he did join them and i believe he have provided/helped IK to collect big donations from the business community through his own influence... till the election 2013, he was very much supporter of IK and PTI... one year down the road, I see him criticizing PTI... food for thought...
I still have no problem with PTI and Imran Khan.. and wish them well.
I know Imran Khan has no credibility problem. He is a simple man. I know the total electricity bill of IK residence is 26,000 rupees (he runs air conditioner at night for only 4 hours). I know he has a mali-cook whose culinary expertise can only be appreciated by IK. He has one sandal and wears worn out clothes. This guy is not driven by financial gains.
Having said that.. there is no need to follow him like a cult leader. He is a human with shortcomings. He is not a very intelligent man. He likes to be surrounded by low calibre khushamdis.
PTI was beaten fair and square in elections. PTI could not largely attract the low income youth in Pakistan to become their voters. If I was IK I would immediately start doing my gap analysis and see what's wrong. Instead he has resorted to blame game and he is trying to become a petty opportunist trying to get cosy with army establishment and getting used by them. A real leader derives his power from the people and not from the military generals.
Imran Khan faces a stiff competition from Punjab from Shahbaz Sharif and MQM in Karachi. Both of them have roots amongst the poor masses and they are very well connected with them. Shahbaz sharif is a hands on CM who has a track record of getting work done. From sanitation to road infra structure.. from education to health services. Some of my friends run large government contracting companies in Pakistan. They tell me there is practically zero corruption in Punjab government as far as these construction contracts are awarded. Shahbaz Sharif not only makes sure that these contracts are awarded without commissions, his follow up is also immaculate.
With the change of government last year, new doors of opportunities have opened for Pakistan. China has sanctioned 32 billion dollars for Pakistan specific infra structure projects and placed this amount with Exim Bank. It is up to the federal and provincial governments to utilize this amount for much need infra structure development in Pakistan. There are at least 4 or 5 coal based power projects in pipe line from this sanctioned loan in Punjab. Punjab government has already started Orange Metro Line in Lahore from this Exim Bank loan. what has KP government done so far.. a big zero.. This 32 billion dollars if spent can be a game changer for Pakistan.
PTI must work on their execution capacity instead of wasting time on dharnas and agitations. The more they will criticize the good work of Punjab government.. the more people will stop taking them seriously. We have seen this when they criticized the Metro Bus project in Lahore. The poor masses who use this facility did not vote for PTI in Lahore where they were confined to Model Town and Defense only..
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Sorry..
$630 million dollars is only for the Rapid Bus Service Green Line..
Metro Train Red Line will be a separate project which KPK hopes will be funded by World Bank..
Sky-Train Project Under Peshawar Rapid Mass Transit System
They are giving 2017 as completion date. Let’s hope if they can complete these projects by 2017.. Failure to do so will result in big electoral loss for PTI in KPK. To achieve the target PTI leadership must find some spare time from their rallies and dharnas. At present in one year they were not able to complete feasibility studies. The financial close will depend on viable plan.. otherwise the project will get delayed.
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I still have no problem with PTI and Imran Khan.. and wish them well.
I know Imran Khan has no credibility problem. He is a simple man. I know the total electricity bill of IK residence is 26,000 rupees (he runs air conditioner at night for only 4 hours). I know he has a mali-cook whose culinary expertise can only be appreciated by IK. He has one sandal and wears worn out clothes. This guy is not driven by financial gains.
Having said that.. there is no need to follow him like a cult leader. He is a human with shortcomings. He is not a very intelligent man. He likes to be surrounded by low calibre khushamdis.
PTI was beaten fair and square in elections. PTI could not largely attract the low income youth in Pakistan to become their voters. If I was IK I would immediately start doing my gap analysis and see what's wrong. Instead he has resorted to blame game and he is trying to become a petty opportunist trying to get cosy with army establishment and getting used by them. A real leader derives his power from the people and not from the military generals.
Imran Khan faces a stiff competition from Punjab from Shahbaz Sharif and MQM in Karachi. Both of them have roots amongst the poor masses and they are very well connected with them. Shahbaz sharif is a hands on CM who has a track record of getting work done. From sanitation to road infra structure.. from education to health services. Some of my friends run large government contracting companies in Pakistan. They tell me there is practically zero corruption in Punjab government as far as these construction contracts are awarded. Shahbaz Sharif not only makes sure that these contracts are awarded without commissions, his follow up is also immaculate.
With the change of government last year, new doors of opportunities have opened for Pakistan. China has sanctioned 32 billion dollars for Pakistan specific infra structure projects and placed this amount with Exim Bank. It is up to the federal and provincial governments to utilize this amount for much need infra structure development in Pakistan. There are at least 4 or 5 coal based power projects in pipe line from this sanctioned loan in Punjab. Punjab government has already started Orange Metro Line in Lahore from this Exim Bank loan. what has KP government done so far.. a big zero.. This 32 billion dollars if spent can be a game changer for Pakistan.
PTI must work on their execution capacity instead of wasting time on dharnas and agitations. The more they will criticize the good work of Punjab government.. the more people will stop taking them seriously. We have seen this when they criticized the Metro Bus project in Lahore. The poor masses who use this facility did not vote for PTI in Lahore where they were confined to Model Town and Defense only..
In Pakistan, politics has sadly reached the lowest depths where style is buoyantly preferred over substance. Your post reeks of marked irony which is sadly, the most eye catching point of your post. So irony is that you are accusing PTI supporters for following Imran like a cult leader, but the way yourself and others consistently sings songs of Shahbaz Sharif is also what cult followers do. There's a group out there that sure wants Shahbaz Sharif to have a cult following of his own, and I think he does already. PMLN supporters have no problem playing personality politics in the name of Shahbaz Sharif, but why kick a fuss when someone like Imran - who bears an age old genuine bond with all Pakistanis beyond politics - is deeply respected and trusted? I'm sorry these arguments are getting so redundant. If you want people to go out their way to acknowledge and praise Shahbaz Sharif, then you should also get rid of your illiberalism and acknowledge and accept the influence and goodwill Imran holds amongst the public, and striving efforts he's making to reform politics and a province. Only in a third world premature democracies, a person calling for an electoral reform and investigation into rigging claims will be criminalised to teeth. It says more about the society as a whole, than the individual in question.
Frankly speaking, your arguments that Imran and all leaders must be 'taking hands' on approach on all building sites is an insult to readers' intelligence. What has PTI leaders holding public address on every forthrightly weekend got anything to do with contractors and local authority not doing their work - the people who are ultimately responsible for monitoring the development work on daily basis? Let me tell you something, the breathtaking spectacular that was London 2012 Olympic site was built in less than two years, and as a Londonder I don't remember Boris Johnson, Cameron, Osborne, Hague etc standing on builders' head and getting the work done. Boris Johnson must've made total of 2-3 visits to Olympic site, and that too mainly to fullfill formalities.
I don't see what exactly is ultimate purpose of indulge in bleakly depressing scepticism and opportunistically prophesying that PTI will not complete these work, despite knowing well and truly that four years are more than enough to time complete such projects. Such sinister attitude only suggest one thing - that you are baiting for PTI to fail.
Lastly, I'd like to wrap up my post with one final point. KPK is part of also Pakistan. If Punjab is the front door of Pakistan against our arch rival India, then KPK is our back-door against increasingly hostile and revenge prone neighbours. It's imperative that the province mends its broken spirits and finds its lost moral to achieve the success, stability and prosperity it deserve. In other words, much needed and timely initiatives and all the best to PTI in completing them.
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He was the CM of Punjab, and it was his duty to help. You are more than welcome to see it as favour. That’s not my problem. Imran was not a member of Parliament nor the political force he is today, it’s height of personal hatred to do a point scoring against him. Then you say political talk shows are the problem. This is exactly the type of character assassination you see Pakistani political shows isn’t it?
Nice to see you expressing your most genuine and heartfelt concerns about KPK children who died due to vaccine. But did you commend PTI for launching historic and most extensive polio movement despite the abhorrent violence polio workers were subjected to amidst looming war threats? Even for playing dirty politics, one needs to have some principles.
One thing I want everyone here to get it right, Pakistan is neither Saudi Arabia nor a Soviet Colony, it is every Pakistani and political party’s constitutional right to hold peaceful public gatherings. PTI jalsa have never erupted into violence and bloodshed, so I think it’s getting extremely pathetic and nauseating to see people throwing hissy fits about Imran’s public gathering on every given opportunity. Fortunately, there’s a lot more to democracy than having an elected head in civilian clothes. Hopefully Pakistan’s will get there one day with embracing the full meaning of democracy in its fullest terms. In the meantime, perhaps it won’t be bad idea a learn a thing or two from our neighbours, in regards to tolerating public gatherings and respecting the street power of parties. Yes, I’m talking about India.
Maybe a cause for celebration for you, but totally irrelevant to me. For your every Yazdi who abandoned PTI, I can give you examples of ten Yazdi who joined PTI. Imran the individual, PMLN the political party and army the institution go a long way back and share deeply personal link with my family, but there’s a certain danger in disclosing familial secrets and anecdotes. Maybe one day I’ll be brave enough to pen down a memoir/satirical semi autobiography of some sort.
But thanks for the providing that info, perhaps that explains why he is significantly less malicious and opportunistic than you. In regards to him ‘criticising’ PTI, it’s not a cause nor a reason to lose sleep over. In fact constructive criticism is probably the best thing that can happen to PTI (and anyone for that matter) and I can only hope that they take with both hands. I’ve spent my teenage years bombarding PTI mailbox with long, pissy letters and emails and bless a lady called Shazia something, used to reply to all my mails in such calm and composed manner. Perhaps I should find a way to drop her a little hello and a thank you for bearing with me.
Ha! I was given the honour of joining the King at the age of eight. 
Sorry Yazdi, wasn’t trying to steal your thunder on anything. I really couldn’t resist.
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In Pakistan, politics has sadly reached the lowest depths where style is buoyantly preferred over substance. Your post reeks of marked irony which is sadly, the most eye catching point of your post. So irony is that you are accusing PTI supporters for following Imran like a cult leader, but the way yourself and others consistently sings songs of Shahbaz Sharif is also what cult followers do. There's a group out there that sure wants Shahbaz Sharif to have a cult following of his own, and I think he does already. PMLN supporters have no problem playing personality politics in the name of Shahbaz Sharif, but why kick a fuss when someone like Imran - who bears an age old genuine bond with all Pakistanis beyond politics - is deeply respected and trusted? I'm sorry these arguments are getting so redundant. If you want people to go out their way to acknowledge and praise Shahbaz Sharif, then you should also get rid of your illiberalism and acknowledge and accept the influence and goodwill Imran holds amongst the public, and striving efforts he's making to reform politics and a province. Only in a third world premature democracies, a person calling for an electoral reform and investigation into rigging claims will be criminalised to teeth. It says more about the society as a whole, than the individual in question.
Frankly speaking, your arguments that Imran and all leaders must be 'taking hands' on approach on all building sites is an insult to readers' intelligence. What has PTI leaders holding public address on every forthrightly weekend got anything to do with contractors and local authority not doing their work - the people who are ultimately responsible for monitoring the development work on daily basis? Let me tell you something, the breathtaking spectacular that was London 2012 Olympic site was built in less than two years, and as a Londonder I don't remember Boris Johnson, Cameron, Osborne, Hague etc standing on builders' head and getting the work done. Boris Johnson must've made total of 2-3 visits to Olympic site, and that too mainly to fullfill formalities.
I don't see what exactly is ultimate purpose of indulge in bleakly depressing scepticism and opportunistically prophesying that PTI will not complete these work, despite knowing well and truly that four years are more than enough to time complete such projects. Such sinister attitude only suggest one thing - that you are baiting for PTI to fail.
Lastly, I'd like to wrap up my post with one final point. KPK is part of also Pakistan. If Punjab is the front door of Pakistan against our arch rival India, then KPK is our back-door against increasingly hostile and revenge prone neighbours. It's imperative that the province mends its broken spirits and finds its lost moral to achieve the success, stability and prosperity it deserve. In other words, much needed and timely initiatives and all the best to PTI in completing them.
Why does an upright person decides to peruse a career in politics.. For personal glory or to do something meaningful for the people?
By no means Shahbaz Sharif is an angel. His colorful personal life with rumored multiple wives indicate his human side. IK may be an angel on personal level.. He may be a philanthropist par excellence who has a record of executing charitable institutions which are benefitting thousands. Whenever he is asked about his credentials about leading a country on political fronts he always gives example of his ability to run charitable institutions which in his opinion is a proof of his administrative capabilities.
For me personal piousness is beyond my domain of discussion. I have never done this here in the forum. I am not questioning nor praising what he has done in his personal life. I am questioning his priorities, judgmental capacity, and capability as a leader of second largest political party in Pakistan who may well be in power at the centre in future. He has already the mandate to run KPK government.
My analysis is based on hard facts.. not emotional outburst like you. I always criticize what I feel is not right, and I would praise what I feel is good. People who read my post know very well that I have Praised MQM, Zardari, IK, SS or anyone else for any good action.. and criticized all of them for what I feel is not correct. I"ll gladly like your posts which show some genuine short comings of SS as far as his performance-work is concerned.
Now coming back to Khan sahib.. Let me show you why I am criticizing him. If possible please keep your answers objective.. instead of emotional outburst, name calling.. ganja, showbaz, noora.. etc etc.
1) Less than 2 months ago NS met IK.. the agenda of the meeting was that people of Pakistan have given overwhelming mandate to the political leadership of PMLN and PTI to handle the security situation in the country in a certain way. The army establishment should follow the civilian leadership to act according to the aspirations of the people. At that time IK fully endorsed NS views and went to the extent that army adventurism should be curbed. The good Taliban bad Taliban policy of the agencies should end.. there should be a dialogue between civilian leadership and the militants.. and the security initiative should be led by the civilian leadership instead of the army. IK was fully on board.. even praised NS and called him a true leader with vision.. all this is on record if your memory doesn't fail you.
After that meeting the relationship of NS government and army establishment got sour on Musharraf issue. IK made a complete U turn and resorted to petty opportunist politics. This is not the first time when we see this kind of petty opportunism from IK. We remember he supported Musharraf in the referendum hoping the dictator will make him the PMLQ of his regime. when this did not happen he turned against Musharraf. We also remember his liaison with Shuja Pasha to gain petty political advantages.
I believe a leader of his stature should not get tempted for petty political gains.. and change his stance frequently whenever he sees some opportunity. He should have trust on people that they will bring him to power instead of army establishment to put him in the corridors of power..
2) I do understand election politics is different. Political leaders say a lot against each other during elections. After elections, they must forget election politics and start working for the benefit of the people. Work on the performance. This is not the time for election politics.. it's the time to show performance. IK wants to do election politics now.. instead of showing performance in KPK.
3) We have opportunities to avail now after PPP government got rejected last year. May be the Chinese are stupid that they committed 32 billion dollars for infra structure related projects in Pakistan but it's a hard fact. Zardari made 20 trips to China but they did not place a penny in Exim bank. This finance can be used by federal and provincial governments including KPK government for infra structure projects. We can uplift our railway infra structure, make Karachi-Lahore motorway.. make transmission lines, coal based energy projects, dams.. It can be a game changer. De stabilizing government at this stage will woo away investors. If we have any change in government through establishment or any un constitutional means… we'll regret the next 50 years again. IK is letting himself getting used by the establishment which eventually will lead to some military take over.
IK is becoming JI of the past. He is either stupid or opportunist. I would like to believe he is former rather than later.
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Vwala!
A long reply. Perhaps it looks exceptionally long on my phone. So needless to say, I am on my phone and will get back to you later.
Don't go anywhere. I'll be right back.
Merci buckets
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Have a close inspection of your own post. It's marked with ever so slyly sentimental hues, tints and tinge, and I'm being emotional? Even if I am, then let's just say, it's all intentional, I believe in the power of prose. :)
Why does an upright person decides to peruse a career in politics.. For personal glory or to do something meaningful for the people?
I have no idea what is the motif behind this statement, and what is it that you actually want to hear. Let me know what you want to hear, and I might be able to paraphrase for you in better way.
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By no means Shahbaz Sharif is an angel. His colorful personal life with rumored multiple wives indicate his human side. IK may be an angel on personal level.. He may be a philanthropist par excellence who has a record of executing charitable institutions which are benefitting thousands. Whenever he is asked about his credentials about leading a country on political fronts he always gives example of his ability to run charitable institutions which in his opinion is a proof of his administrative capabilities.
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I have absolutely no idea how and why this discussion ended up involving Shahbaz Sharif's personal life. I don't remember remotely mentioning his or Imran's life. Honestly, I couldn't care less about Altaf Hussain's divorce, Imran's once a upon time bachelor adventures or Shahbaz's Sharif serial marriages. I feel so sorry for people who indulge in crass tabloidism for petty politics and treat people's utmost personal aspect of their private lives as public property. Contrary to popular female stereotypes, its myself that really cannot be bothered to get interested and hurt over what a man does in the hours when the curtains are drawn. It's none of my business. Why certain Pakistani gents are prone to excitability over sexuality of men they they often despise is nothing less than a Freudian irony. I can say couple more things in regards how such behaviour could be explained by analysing the social fabric of the society, but I am obviously not in a mood to make any politically incorrect statements at this moment. But nonetheless, a fascinating idea for case study for any budding psychologists.
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Now coming back to Khan sahib.. Let me show you why I am criticizing him. If possible please keep your answers objective.. instead of emotional outburst, name calling.. ganja, showbaz, noora.. etc etc.
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Meh. I don't do such amateurish playground insults. So don't worry.
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1) Less than 2 months ago NS met IK.. the agenda of the meeting was that people of Pakistan have given overwhelming mandate to the political leadership of PMLN and PTI to handle the security situation in the country in a certain way. The army establishment should follow the civilian leadership to act according to the aspirations of the people. At that time IK fully endorsed NS views and went to the extent that army adventurism should be curbed. The good Taliban bad Taliban policy of the agencies should end.. there should be a dialogue between civilian leadership and the militants.. and the security initiative should be led by the civilian leadership instead of the army. IK was fully on board.. even praised NS and called him a true leader with vision.. all this is on record if your memory doesn't fail you
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This is very vague. You might want to elaborate a little. However, that 'certain way' of handling the situation meant going ahead with negotiations. It's such a simplified, wishy washy notion to to expect Pakistan army to follow civilian leadership. If only. But whatever has taken place so far and is taking place is a collaborative effort between civilian and military leadership. Imran recently opposed military operation in FATA and once again advocated political handling of the situation. So you are contradicting your won protest by saying Imran betrayed Nawaz over his promised to back the civilian handling of the situation.
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After that meeting the relationship of NS government and army establishment got sour on Musharraf issue. IK made a complete U turn and resorted to petty opportunist politics. This is not the first time when we see this kind of petty opportunism from IK. We remember he supported Musharraf in the referendum hoping the dictator will make him the PMLQ of his regime. when this did not happen he turned against Musharraf. We also remember his liaison with Shuja Pasha to gain petty political advantages.
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Are you saying likes of NS and SS have never played resorted to opportunism in their long careers? Never sided with dictators, never made deals with them? Or are you saying other holier than thou politicians have never indulged in opportunism against Imran? Politics by default is opportunism., it's just those with sound moral compass get the path right while others lose the path totally. Trying to separate opportunism from politics is like digging a concrete with bare hands.
I really cannot help you in any way if your ultimate desire and wish is to see Imran as an oh so saintly saint. But getting back to your point about Musharraf. Not just Imran, the entire Pakistan welcomed Musharraf with open arms. The same Imran, and the same Pakistan also came out on the streets to oust. Imran has never denied that he, like many Pakistanis, placed trust and hopes in Musharraf to reform Pakistan. And he had the power and opportunity to do so. I don't know what you make of your assumptions about Imran's wish to become Musharraf's PM considering Musharraf too held Imran in high regard, but unfortunately before both personalities could reach a political compromise, Musharraf dragged Pakistan in this unfortunate WoT, and just like his once most high profile admirer, Imran also became one of his oldest and most vociferous critic. But I really don't know what to make of these stock filling arguments, anyone who's been following Imran's career since dawn would not deny the fact that for a very long time, Imran was heavily criticised by vast majority of the public, and dismissed for not joining and compromising with other political forces be it Musharraf or PMLN (and for not taking the charge of PCB - yes I vividly remember those days of utter despair).
I believe a leader of his stature should not get tempted for petty political gains.. and change his stance frequently whenever he sees some opportunity. He should have trust on people that they will bring him to power instead of army establishment to put him in the corridors of power..
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2) I do understand election politics is different. Political leaders say a lot against each other during elections. After elections, they must forget election politics and start working for the benefit of the people. Work on the performance. This is not the time for election politics.. it's the time to show performance. IK wants to do election politics now.. instead of showing performance in KPK.
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KPK is making steady progress indeed. Things are certainly improving. I think it's too early to kick start any end of the world hysteria while they have complete full years to complete bigger goals. These development projects being the one of such examples.
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3) We have opportunities to avail now after PPP government got rejected last year. May be the Chinese are stupid that they committed 32 billion dollars for infra structure related projects in Pakistan but it's a hard fact. Zardari made 20 trips to China but they did not place a penny in Exim bank. This finance can be used by federal and provincial governments including KPK government for infra structure projects. We can uplift our railway infra structure, make Karachi-Lahore motorway.. make transmission lines, coal based energy projects, dams.. It can be a game changer. De stabilizing government at this stage will woo away investors. If we have any change in government through establishment or any un constitutional means… we'll regret the next 50 years again. IK is letting himself getting used by the establishment which eventually will lead to some military take over.
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Establishment the recycled and born again bogeyman and IK the new found military darling. Assumptions, allegations and character assassination. Calling for electoral reforms and demanding investigation into rigging claim is not a crime. He's well within his constitutional rights to demand that and Pakistani courts are obliged to act upon it. If PMLN fears political unrest and early exit so much, why can't they just have open debate on this issue and follow the appointed procedures to sort out any grievances, instead of telling people to brush their issues under the carpet and stay hush?
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IK is becoming JI of the past. He is either stupid or opportunist. I would like to believe he is former rather than later.
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lol. Yes associate all types of dirty words with PTI. From JI to establishment to Jews to Taliban. What can I say? It's politics. It happens and it'll continue to happen. You can never please everybody. It's humanly impossible.
As Churchill once said: a medal glitters but it also casts a shadow. :)
Goodnight,
From rainy England.
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"KHUDA KAY WASTAY AB IS MULK KO CHALNAY DO.."
These were desperate words of our Prime Minister just last week..
A failed politician conspiring with military.. to make this country a banana military republic once again. Is this the message we are giving to International Investor Community?
Sitting in England you can very conveniently quote Churchill.. to justify Mr. IK..
You have no idea what happens in Pakistan. Here 400 commandos land from helicopters in Prime Minister house when army chief comes to visit.. throw out each and every member of Prime Minister staff from the Prime Minister Secretariat.. And this happened only a fortnight ago..
77 Billion has been allocated for railway in the present budget.. Billions of dollars are available from China at the moment to refurbish our railway. The plan is to construct new railway lines and locomotive trains for goods transportation. If the plan is executed in next five years.. we can transport 300,000 tons of coal per day to energy starved North of the country where industries are shutting down due to energy shortages. We'll be able to transport a ton of coal for Rs. 2000 per ton instead of present RS. 5,000 per ton. Due to you have nay idea what it means in economic sense. And we want to scare away the investors fearing the rerun of banana military republic.. just because an idiot politician wants to come to power through military assistance..
Wah.. Kia patriotism hai...
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^^^
"KHUDA KAY WASTAY AB IS MULK KO CHALNAY DO.."
These were desperate words of our Prime Minister just last week..
A failed politician conspiring with military.. to make this country a banana military republic once again. Is this the message we are giving to International Investor Community?
So when the Sharifs were protesting, conducting long marches, burning Wapda offices, staging shows at Minar-e-Pakistan, and threatening to hang and drag the then president on the streets of larkana and lahore, that was their attempt to 'run the country'? Now if the opposition (or PTI alone) is protesting against rigging, and asking for reforms in the electoral process, somehow that is keeping the country from running?
Nawaz Sharif has this delusion that his Reagan-ist style of governance and will bring about an economic revival in the country. The concept of 'spending your way to progress' perhaps suits countries that have low corruption, and some collateral that they can back it up with. The billions you say are coming in from China and elsewhere will no doubt include black money from Paksitan, that is rerouted back in order to earn the exorbitantly high rates of return the current govt is offering on demand to foreign investors. We have seen this drama play out before as well. Twice before when PMLN was in power in the 90s, Pakistan was left on the brink of disaster and bankruptcy due to the same flawed policies.
Putting out feel-good numbers can make people smile and be happy for a few minutes, but the amount of liabilities this is going to leave Pakistan with is simply not sustainable for a country like Pakistan.
There is a reason why Nawaz Sharif does not want to strengthen the institutions.....because that weakens him and his brother. Personal name and fame is all these guys are after.
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So if Sharif's were doing something wrong.. it gives a blank check to IK to do the same wrong. What a twisted logic.
Either you are extra ordinarily naive or you seriously think the forum readers here are babies.
Do you think the agitations of PTI against rigging in Defense lahore and Clifton Karachi after the election really mattered. It was more of an attempt by PTI to satisfy their own dishearted voters mainly belonging to affluent classes seen active on social media. The fact is they failed badly to convince the lesser fortunate youth of the country residing in poor areas.
The present timing and support of military establishment make the PTI initiative highly suspicious. Followed by military invasion of Prime Minister secretariat, illegal closure of pro government media channel by military establishment with the endorsement of Mr. Khan.. and speeches of Shiekh Rashid in PTI rallies threatening government's qurbani.. all this is giving wrong signals to investor community.
Ad far as economics is concerned.. I can only laugh at your comments. It's evident from your post that you have no idea how things actually work. Investment of black money from China is actually quite a humorous comment. Bhai sahib.. China has large investible surpluses. The government of China has over 1.5 trillion dollars only in foreign reserves.. They have recently sanctioned credit lines of 32 billion dollars to Exim Bank for Pakistan specific infra structure projects. It doesn't mean they have already transferred this money. Now it's up to the private and public sector to come up with viable projects to avail this facility. The opportunity is there.. and we need infra structure to move forward. I gave you the example of Railway rehabilitation.. it's a self paying initiative which over the years will save much more than investment. Chinese Exim Bank credit lines are not Black money as you are suggesting..
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So if Sharif's were doing something wrong.. it gives a blank check to IK to do the same wrong. What a twisted logic.
Whey PMLN burned offices, and threatened individuals, that was wrong. But when they protested against corruption/loadshedding/govt ineptness, that wasnt wrong. Democracy gives us the right to protest if we see flaws in the govt. The opposition is even more responsible for ensuring that the govt stays in line. I was simply saying that PMLN is being hypocritical.
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Do you think the agitations of PTI against rigging in Defense lahore and Clifton Karachi after the election really mattered. It was more of an attempt by PTI to satisfy their own dishearted voters mainly belonging to affluent classes seen active on social media. The fact is they failed badly to convince the lesser fortunate youth of the country residing in poor areas.
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Its funny, because PTI isnt trying to convnce anyone that the elections were rigged. EVeryone knows that they were rigged. Even PMLN has admitted to that. They ahve the most petitions filed! What PTI is trying to do is get the tribunal processes to move forward in a judicial manner...and since that is not happening, an overhaul of the system is necessary.
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The present timing and support of military establishment make the PTI initiative highly suspicious. Followed by military invasion of Prime Minister secretariat, illegal closure of pro government media channel by military establishment with the endorsement of Mr. Khan.. and speeches of Shiekh Rashid in PTI rallies threatening government's qurbani.. all this is giving wrong signals to investor community.
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That is an extremely PMLN-esque statement, and very opportunistic. Just because PMLN grew up in the ranks on the heels of the army and ISI, they seem to think everyone else who does that is doing the same. Its petty.
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Ad far as economics is concerned.. I can only laugh at your comments. It's evident from your post that you have no idea how things actually work. Investment of black money from China is actually quite a humorous comment. .............. Chinese Exim Bank credit lines are not Black money as you are suggesting..
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Not sure if you read my post clearly, but I didnt say that the Chinese credit lines are black money. However, im pretty sure that the 25% and 30%+ returns being 'guaranteed' to new power plants (when we already happen to have enough power generation plants signed up at 15%, and sitting idle) are going to involve a lot of Pakistani black money, which will make its way out of Pakistan, and then back in, in the form of 'foreign investment'. Similar to what happens in the stock market, when we see an influx of 'foreign investment'. What do you think has driven up the stock market to almost 30k?
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So if Sharif's were doing something wrong.. it gives a blank check to IK to do the same wrong. What a twisted logic.
Either you are extra ordinarily naive or you seriously think the forum readers here are babies.
Do you think the agitations of PTI against rigging in Defense lahore and Clifton Karachi after the election really mattered. It was more of an attempt by PTI to satisfy their own dishearted voters mainly belonging to affluent classes seen active on social media. The fact is they failed badly to convince the lesser fortunate youth of the country residing in poor areas.
The present timing and support of military establishment make the PTI initiative highly suspicious. Followed by military invasion of Prime Minister secretariat, illegal closure of pro government media channel by military establishment with the endorsement of Mr. Khan.. and speeches of Shiekh Rashid in PTI rallies threatening government's qurbani.. all this is giving wrong signals to investor community.
Ad far as economics is concerned.. I can only laugh at your comments. It's evident from your post that you have no idea how things actually work. Investment of black money from China is actually quite a humorous comment. Bhai sahib.. China has large investible surpluses. The government of China has over 1.5 trillion dollars only in foreign reserves.. They have recently sanctioned credit lines of 32 billion dollars to Exim Bank for Pakistan specific infra structure projects. It doesn't mean they have already transferred this money. Now it's up to the private and public sector to come up with viable projects to avail this facility. The opportunity is there.. and we need infra structure to move forward. I gave you the example of Railway rehabilitation.. it's a self paying initiative which over the years will save much more than investment. Chinese Exim Bank credit lines are not Black money as you are suggesting..
Are you Naive?
If even half of this 32 billion is spent where it should have, it would create a magnet affect and would triple the foreign investments in different sectors, mainly in SMEs working in agriculture and livestock.. it can totally change the life-style of remote areas... and with the power projects coming up... it would simply give PML-N a walk-over on all of its political rival and like Turkey, Pakistan's civil PM can dictate terms to Army establishment...
DO you think army is going to let this happen? as long as its Pawn and opportunist exists.. army will always have upper hand here.. had there been peace in wazirstan or balochistan or karachi, we might have seen 111 brigade moving in PM house by now... and i second your opinion that if this time something like that happened, we'll be sent back in stone age... and for that no one have to bomb us, without electricity, Pakistan would be in stone age...
Now PTI is saying protest is their right!!! are they protesting in Sindh??? Balochistan???
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O sweet heavens! How cute is thy Prime Minister?
If he’s so desperate to save democracy then why isn’t he resorting to constitutionally and legally defined democratic steps and procedure to investigate the damaging allegations of anti democratic crimes? In which truly democratic and self respecting country such damaging court cases filed by the second largest party would go unnoticed? If only people of Pakistan can realise that there is so much to democracy than having Shalwar Kameez waist coat wearing head of state. The Mulk bachao rhetoric is basically PMLN bacho plea. If you think PMLN won fair and square, then I fail to see why on earth they would act so defensive, so resistive, so aggressive and so preventive against the demand of launching judicial inquiries?
Excuse me, lol? Karachi has been burning for past three days and counting, and as a result, the country so far has suffered from a total loss of whopping Rs30 billion and counting. So the question that’s begging for an answer is, where is Prime Minister’s and his Mulk bachao verbosity and actions? Where is the writ of the government in Pakistan’s largest city? What has the peace and poppy loving government done to save Pakistan’s economic hub from burning? The fact that there are more statements from the Prime Minister showing deep concerns for Altaf Hussain’s in London and working round the clock to provide him with counselling and Pakistani passport than people of Karachi who are losing their livelihood by each passing minute. What kind of message is that sending to investor community? Or it’s only when peaceful protesters protest on weekend that government realise that country is going down?
Call him a failed politician or a Kingmaker. The truth is, the politicians who are now losing their sleep by the mere thought of seeing Imran joining hands with the army is the same breed of opportunists who left no stone unturned to abuse his peace talk initiatives to paint him as an anti-hero of a biblical proportions, in the military vs Taliban saga. Only in an hopeless hope to to have his career destroyed by an offended army and his party taken out. However fortunately, no such confrontation took place between Imran and military despite the fierce differences. Instead a seemingly relaxed, communicable collaboration emerged between the blocks on security issue. So all in all, this is a pretty anti climax for PMLN and their supporters.
If you like, I can use bit of Shakespeare to glamorise Nawaz Sharif as well. Here’s one of my favourite quotes from Hamlet:
“Give every man thine ear, but few thy voice; Take each man’s censure, but reserve thy judgment” (Act 1, Scene iii)
A perfectly apt quote, isn’t it?
Yet despite all that, PMLN would not budge an inch to allow a judicial proceeding for a legitimate cause that will, by default strengthen democracy in Pakistan. The ball is really is in their court. As with military’s use of intimidation towards them, it really Nawas Sharif’s bad luck that other than his Godfather Zia ul Haq, he struggles get into the good books of his personally hand-picked COAS. There seems to be historically underlying tensions and mistrust between PMLN and the top brass of military.
Ha! Patriotism! The noble defence.
This word is begging for some Samuel Johnson and I’m so tempted to do the honour.
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Excellent comprehension skills.. I have to admit.
Please try to include some intelligent argument-analysis also in your posts.
Meanwhile I would like to know the reason behind your cult like admiration for Mr. Imaran Khan.. I'll anxiously wait for some tangible answer on his governing skills which you saw in KPK which can be demonstrated as an evidence for people to vote him as PM during next election.
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what PTI has done in a year for KPK no other party has achieved ever. And the changes are all visible. They have their work cut out as it is a very turbulent province but so far they are doing a better job than anyone else.
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What have they done in KPK?
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ye post cafe mein honi chahye thi … 
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