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so you mean all this was a PR campaign? still winning hearts and minds are you?
anyhow utd, storch. later, im off to work.
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I never said that this was the way to do, in fact I said quite the opposite.
Do you guys ever get tired of arguing over this nonsense non-stop every day? Let the War go on in peace and keep your outrage to yourselves. Your moaning is not going to change anything. A Korean dies, big deal. I will buy a new Hyundai. Tomorrow there will be an aerial raid over Falooda or Bagdooda or some other city, 30 killed including 2 terrorists. I predict same for Soodirabia, more kidnapping, a few terrorists killed in police shootout, and 3 arrested, 2 escape and one blows out himself taking 5 police officers along. It’s Middle East we are talking about. I hope we get the hell out of there alive.
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utd support was always down.. do u really think 46% of Americans still support Bush? these beheadings are keeping everything else out of the news.. the resistance has been given a face.. a face of the enemy.. enough has been done to blur the lines between Al-Qayda and Iraq..
utd, i think made the point about people becoming immune to this hideousness. something that shows considering that 80 percent of the conversation is not about the poor korean man.
*sigh
With that beheading, atlest 1 of the 50,000 innocent Iraqis mudered by the coalition has been avenged.
Look how cute…
^That brings to mind the old admonition "It's 10:00. Do you know what your kids are doing?"
Our next generation of little terrorists seem to be practicing the proper technique for beheading hostages.
I wish they'd just watch the Highlander series and see if they could be like Duncan McLeod. You know, take the head off with a single swing of a big sharp sword. It's so much cleaner and more civilized than hacking and sawing away with a dull knife.
Yeah and I should go find a movie of american kids palying Indian and Cowboys or better yet I should just pick up the local newspaper and find out how they like to butcher people by drive by shooting? OG, nice try, next time come back with some thing that will make some sense.
Those kids have no idea what they are doing, same as kids who play violent video games here and mimic those actions in the street or playgrounds, only difference is that no on is putting a vidoe of those kids on the internet. Maybe I should do that to satisfy your need for hatred and misinformation.
Kaleem,
I have no idea in what context that video took place. But I absolutely guarantee that beyond the bounds of Gupshup the beheaders are congratulated as heros, and honored as worthy. The next generation is being indoctrinated with snuff films.
I don't know about you, but that piece of video is disturbing. No doubt all over the world little men are running all over their neighborhoods shooting imaginary foes. Sawing the heads off kneeling unarmed captives is over my personal threshold for imaginary play....
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Those kids have no idea what they are doing, same as kids who play violent video games here and mimic those actions in the street or playgrounds, only difference is that no on is putting a vidoe of those kids on the internet. Maybe I should do that to satisfy your need for hatred and misinformation.
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I guess you didn't bother to take a look at the website that posted the video.
It looks to me like that website is one devoted to expand the ummah and impose shariah law wherever possible.
The video is obviously being posted to advocate this form of teaching.
What other role models do they have? If Saddam were still in power he'd be paying these thugs off for this.
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I guess you didn't bother to take a look at the website that posted the video.
It looks to me like that website is one devoted to expand the ummah and impose shariah law wherever possible.
The video is obviously being posted to advocate this form of teaching.
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MV
just to point out something that should be obvious, someone interested in betterment of Ummah may or may not haver interest in imposing shariah based law...some may have an interest in that also.
regardless..ummah/shariah law and extremism are not mutually inclusive.
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I absolutely guarantee that beyond the bounds of Gupshup the beheaders are congratulated as heros, and honored as worthy. The next generation is being indoctrinated with snuff films.
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irresponsible statement
I did not see 1.4 billion people congratulating these thugs.
whereas there may be some idiots who celebrate such barbaric acts, making a comment as if all followers of the faith agree with this is extremely irresponsible.
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MV
just to point out something that should be obvious, someone interested in betterment of Ummah may or may not haver interest in imposing shariah based law...some may have an interest in that also.
regardless..ummah/shariah law and extremism are not mutually inclusive.
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I understand your point and don't think I said anything different. Kaleem's comment suggested that whoever posted that video of children practicing beheading their hostages was spreading hate and misinformation AGAINST Muslims.
Check out the site for yourself. Nothing could be further from the truth. I didn't spend enough time on the site to determine whether it is "extremist." I just looked at their goals and aims briefly and it is clear that it is a site run by Muslims promoting the extension of shariah law to the world's population.
This is what they say about themselves:
“Muslims and non-Muslims are being oppressed throughout the world. SOS is one of the organizations struggling to remove this oppression created by man-made laws. So that the whole of mankind can enjoy the freedom, purity, and justice of living under the laws of Allah (Shari’ah).”
Sharing of the video is certainly not being done by some anti-Muslim group trying to engender hate and spread misinformation about Muslims.
^ Yo MV, I avoid going to any such sites because god knows when I am seen shaking the hand of some stranger at eid prayers who is on some kinda watch list and then authorities dig thru my web surfing records and say oh look this dude goes to extremist websites.
next i know my sphincter's best friend is the boot of some marine from west virgina stationed at Gitmo.
so, i will take your word for it :)
I just wanted to emphasize that people who srive for muslim unity are not always so sure about shariah laws, and even the unity definition differs to ppl. You have those who want it as a power play, there are others who see it differently.
so this site is probably a site run by the type of ppl you mentioned. however theories would remain, I have heard in past that there have been sites propped up to spread misinformation, not just about Islam but about other religions as well. but thats a diff issue altogether.
Fraudia,
"I did not see 1.4 billion people congratulating these thugs.
whereas there may be some idiots who celebrate such barbaric acts, making a comment as if all followers of the faith agree with this is extremely irresponsible."
I did not mean to imply that anywhere near a majority approve, condone, or are anything less than horrified by the act. (And, I believe that you know that from past conversations).
The point is that we have had beheadings in Pakistan, Saudi, and Iraq. It seems to be a trend. It is not a scattered incident. And, beyond the bounds of reasonable discussion (ie Gupshup) there is a large contingent, (a million or ten out of a billion is still a lot of trouble for the world) who has no problem with a gory death or a thousand. In this thread you have a number of people who say, "the Israelis and Americans are giving worse than they are getting", and other comments essentially saying, that it was deserved.
We are crossing some moral boundries here that are alarming.
Whose morality, OG?
I agree with your assessment re: volumes.
Just to expand on this.,..here are a few highlights on GS today
“43% of participants in a poll asking “should Homosexuals be killed (stoned to death)”, said YES”
"One young man suggested that Pakisani youth are being brainwashed by “…drugs, WOMEN, and moral decadence”
In a thread questioning meddlesome non-muslims, Entire groups were declared"non-muslims"
IN the thread asking the reason behind the fall of the Islamic empire, the mullahs declared that questioning Islamis unislamic. 
Therefore making it a moot point that any blame can be internal.
This is just today…the future is brighter I hope.
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We are crossing some moral boundries here that are alarming.
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They are alarming indeed some more than others, but moral boundaries are being crossed and justifications/excuses being made for idiotic actions made.
Fraudz,
War has been with us for thousands of years. One reason more stupid than another. Nothing new here.
For centuries crowds marveled at public beheadings, torture and public death. For a hundred years or so, the public has been backing away from these things. Spain is phasing out bull fights, most European countries are moving away from the death penalty. Remember the outrage at a South Vietnamese officer who shot a Viet Cong in the head with a revolver in cold blood?
But now, horror has become a weapon. Ever since Somalia, Al Qaedda is convinced that the more ruthless they are, the more the US will cut and run. It worked against the Spanish (that and the Spanish Government bungled the case). Therefore, horror, replaces terror as the weapon of choice. If you are more ruthless than your enemy, you win. That is the reality in Iraq today. The countryside is far more scared of the insurgents, than the US. This belief was born in Afghanistan.
OBL and his lot are convinced that the fighting zeal of the enraged Islamic fighter can drive out even a superior army, (they forget the billions of funding and weapons) so long as they are willing to throw lots of bodies into the fight. The more horror they create, the more they can expect a hasty retreat from the Westerners. That was his plan to defend Saudi from Saddam, and that is his plan now.
We have gone from terror to horror. Are these the people you want running Islamic countries? Will this be a step forward or a step back? That is truely what we face here...