Do you think everything is fixed? I know the religious POV but what your life experience so far says about this ?
I think its fixed.. everything is fixed from having a cup of tea to getting married, this what my experience says but then where do free will stands in all this?
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**taqdeer hai kia maiN kia jaanuuN
maiN aashiq huN tadbeeroN kaa
haathoN kii chand lakeeroN kaa
sab khel hai taqdeeroN kaa**
does that explain anything?
taqdeer ko tadbeer se nahiiN badlaa jaa saktaa magar du'aaoN se taqdeer badli jaa saktii hai...aisaa ek musalmaan kaa 'aqeedah hotaa hai!
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**taqdeer hai kia maiN kia jaanuuN maiN aashiq huN tadbeeroN kaa
haathoN kii chand lakeeroN kaa sab khel hai taqdeeroN kaa**
does that explain anything?
taqdeer ko tadbeer se nahiiN badlaa jaa saktaa magar du'aaoN se taqdeer badli jaa saktii hai...aisaa ek musalmaan kaa 'aqeedah hotaa hai!
"sakti" he laikin that not necessarily mean that "it will" because I remember I have made a lot duas for years back then for soemthing but it did not come my way .... ab aisa tu nahi ho sakta k kisi bhi moment mein dua qabool na hui ho as "years" is a lot of time. So it means that everything is fixed may be I will get benefit from those duas in some other way may at the day of judgement but it simply means that everything is predestined.
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"sakti" he laikin that not necessarily mean that "it will" because I remember I have made a lot duas for years back then for soemthing but it did not come my way .... ab aisa tu nahi ho sakta k kisi bhi moment mein dua qabool na hui ho as "years" is a lot of time. So it means that everything is fixed may be I will get benefit from those duas in some other way may at the day of judgement but it simply means that everything is predestined.
ho saktaa hai k aapkii du'aa aapke Haq meN bahtar na ho? isii liye jab du'aa maangii jaatii hai to banda Allah se kahtaa hai k "yaa Allah, agar yeh mere Haq meN bahtar ho to tu merii du'aa qubool farmaa varna na farmaa kiuN k tu hii Ghai'b kaa jaannewaalaa hai"
merii chachii jaan marHooma hamesha du'aa maangaa kartii thiiN k chachaa jaan kii taraqqii ho jaaye...vo police ke sab se baRe afsar ban jaayeN...du'aa to qubool ho gaii...vo baRe afsar ban gaye magar taraqqii ke chand maah ke andar hii unkii DaakuuoN se muDbheR huii aur vo golii lagne se jaaN_ba_Haq ho gaye!
to, kia yeh du'aa kii qubooliyat unke Haq meN bahtar thii? hargiz nahiiN!
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"sakti" he laikin that not necessarily mean that "it will" because I remember I have made a lot duas for years back then for soemthing but it did not come my way .... ab aisa tu nahi ho sakta k kisi bhi moment mein dua qabool na hui ho as "years" is a lot of time. So it means that everything is fixed may be I will get benefit from those duas in some other way may at the day of judgement but it simply means that everything is predestined.
I am also looking for the answer since long but didnt get ,its been ages but i havent understand any MASLEHAT behind .....
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I am also looking for the answer since long but didnt get ,its been ages but i havent understand any MASLEHAT behind .....
bro, only Allah knows the masleHat...we may only throw dart in the dark but it may or may not hit the bull's eye. right?
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and what i dont get is har mera bura hone me hi meri masleehat kyun he acha hone mein kyun nahi ?
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and what i dont get is har mera bura hone me hi meri masleehat kyun he acha hone mein kyun nahi ?
iskaa 'ilm to sirf Allah ko hii hai...dunyaavii Hisaab se aap vo sab kijiye jo difaa'-e-mushkilaat kaa zaamin hai...Hatt al imkaan jo aapke bas meN ho kijiye. baaqii Allah ba tavakkul rahiye. iA koii raah niklegii.
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Errm KKF I'm really trying to understand what all of u are saying cus I have same sort of questions, but you's lot keep writing in Urdu and I can't understand. Please write what advice u given the OP in English, esp that last bit of the convo. I would be much grateful.
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Ho sakta hai Allaah ne fix hi yehi kia ho k "Ye mangey ga tou milega"
So Dua can change ur qismet n all
And wese bhi kisi ko pta hi ni hota k us k liye fix kia ho chuka hai kia ni
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Life is what you make it.
And what is meant to happen will happen.
How I love to give a polarized view....
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You have absolute free will to do what you want.
You make your own destiny, but think of it as God knows what destiny it will be that you choose.
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I used to think it was all in my hands to do what I want with my life --> then I did. Then I started getting into fate and thought it wasn't in my hands --> so then it wasn't.
Now I've just realized, it's not the debate of fate vs. free will, but rather the end result of that kind of thinking. If believing in fate makes you a better person and live a better life, then fine. If making your own decisions and not worrying about fate makes things better, then fine.
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What i think is kismet always gives you two opitions it all depends what you select so i guess our choice and kismet comes along . :s
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Urgh this topic can get confusing but I think Slims got it right. You choose how you live your life so you make all the choices you want, but kismet is just that Allah already knows the choices you will make and their outcomes and he has written them down before u were even born. That written document of your actions is your kismet. So you can’t say your choices have been decided for you its just that your choices are already known to the Almighty and that knowing of your actions is called your kismet??? Right?? 
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Yes, He knows the choices you make, but they are yours to make. We have all been given free will, that is kinda the whole point of this whole exercise. If everything that everyone did was all per-determined and we had no choice, then the entire creation of humanity would be moot.
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If Allah knows what is right & wrong for us then why give us free will to choose things to begin with if everything is going to happen the way Allah want it to be ? If Allah don't want us to do anything then why put that thing in our mind ?
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I don't understand this either.
When it's said 'even a leaf cannot move without Allah's will' then how can we do something without His will, and if its His will, where is our free will?
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^ since Allah knows what's gonna happen to every individual so it is all written down in a book call it lauH-e-maHfooz (the preserved log) so, for an individual he/she has a choice to opt whatever path he/she wants to take with his/her free will but since Allah knows what that individual is gonna choose for himself/herself, He wrote everything down which we call it taqdeer/predetermination/qismat/naseeb.
lemme try to explain this with an example. our life story is like a movie shot and preserved on a DVD. we, as a script writer, wrote the whole story ourselves...we had the choice to decide how the plot will develop and how it will end.
after the movie is released, those who have seen will know exactly what the characters will do in the movie while those who haven't watched the movie still don't know what the story is and how it will end.
it's like Allah has already watched everyone's movie already and He knows how exactly each character will behave/act and as a result He can tell before hand what these characters will perform and what their fate will be.
this is why Allah in the Qur'aan has used "past tense" for something that has yet to happen.
only thing that can change taqdeer is du'aa...not tadbeer!
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I like the analogy given by KKF however, may be its what I believe that doesn't allow me to agree to all of what you said.
Its true that some of what happens to us is our destiny however we do have choices to make regarding most of the things. I'd like to explain it with an example. If say, you were to get $100, only Allah knows that you are going to get it so that's your destiny and you cannot do anything about it. You won't get more than $100, and you wont get less than that either. Your 'will' comes where you choose to take that $100 as a bribe (an unfair/wrong mean) or work hard for it and earn it. That could mean you might get it in smaller fractions of say $10 each.
In that case, its not like a movie at all - its more like a scavenger hunt.
With dua's you cannot set a timeline with God. Believe that your prayers will be listened to, and they will be.