Killing one momin is equal to destroying khanaei-------

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Dear Readers,

Assalam mun Ale kum,

I heard on one arabic Tv. That the life of one momin is much more important than any mosque, any sherine and even khanaei kaaba.

He said:
So lives of momin muslims is very precious and killing one of them amounts to destroying Khanaei Kaaba five times.

The sheikh said that if momins would be killed then mosque or sherines or khanaei kaaba would automatically would loose its respect. The non beleivers would do what ever they would like in it.

So we muslims should stop immediately killing muslims or we must stop any such writings in which one instigate hatred among muslims of different fiqahs or casts. Bye Sokoon

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And what about killing a non-Muslim? Life of a non-Muslim is also precious or nothing?

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*Originally posted by anjjan: *
And what about killing a non-Muslim? Life of a non-Muslim is also precious or nothing?
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this is all conditional
muslim and non-muslim wouldn’t be killed unless until they fulfils the conditions - check the condition

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if a religion says not to kill at all, will it stop being a religion?

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*Originally posted by anjjan: *
if a religion says not to kill at all, will it stop being a religion?
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Whose religion?; the killer or the one who is being killed

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Re: Anjjan

Hi!!

The sheikh was speaking in connection of the war which is happening in Najjaf to save the sherine of Hazrat Ali.

So, he said no need of fighting for that.

Ofcourse killing any human being is a sin and it is not going to be forgiven by GOd(A). It is unforgivenable big sin.

As who so ever is in this world ,is his(GOD'S) creation and he loves his all creation.

He has not given any one an authority to kill any body; except ,when some one attacks you, or enters your home to kill you, and your life is in danger.

it means in defence of your life only, you can kill someone, either muslim or non muslim, otherwise no.

The suryat I know ,what have been taught to me from my parents and elders nad what I have received and still get from different books; In war you would kill people, but you would announce ,you would call the enemy, you would fight face to face. In war also justice must prevail.

No muslim is allowed to enter a war, by deceving methods, kill by hiding, kill like a coward. It is the work of non believers, who have less faith in GOD; those who do not believe that JUB JAHAN MOUT ANA HEI AA KAR RAHE GEE CHHEY SOUOW PERDOUN KAY PECHE KOEI CHUP JAEI. YEH TO EMAN KEY KAMI HEI KA LOUG CHUP KAR PECHE SEEY WAR KARTEY HEIN. wassalam

Bye sokoon

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Re: Re: Anjjan

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*Originally posted by sokoon: *
Hi!!

The sheikh was speaking in connection of the war which is happening in Najjaf to save the sherine of Hazrat Ali.

So, he said no need of fighting for that.
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You wrote! He(Allah) has not given any one an authority to kill any body; except ,when some one attacks you, or enters your home to kill you, and your life is in danger.

it means in defence of your life only, you can kill someone, either muslim or non muslim, otherwise no.

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Re: Inuit

Hi!!

It seems to be a correct explanation; since our Prophet has only fought wars which were defensive; he never ever fought offensive wars.

This is what little knowledge I have, that He(P) never ever tried to conquer the land.

At first place killing any man kind is a GOUNAHE KABERA that is that gounah which would not be forgiven by GOD. The path of the killer is, on Qayamat is JAHANNAM, no way any other place, he would enter. The logic is it is HOUQOUQ UL EBAETH. The forgiveness would only be granted if the killed person forgives; which you think he would do? No way, impossible. That what Quran says.

Regarding those stories of the past in Quran are only relevant if that kind,same situation arises ever in this world.

Bye Sokoon

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So Islam in fact is not the universal religion. It only seek to protect "momins" from un-just killings. "Non-momins", perhaps are not recognized as human beings. It also means that "momin" is always justified whenever he kills a "non-momin".

This is that ugly face of "momins" which they (i.e. momins) themself cannot see....!!!

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Hi basic force

It seems that you have a few misconceptions about the way non-muslims are treated under an Islamic state.

I would ask you to refer to the sources of Islam and not its history. Under an Islamic state, the people are seen as citizens and the societal laws related to transaction and penal code apply equally. In fact protecting the non-muslims is an obligation even if it means that Muslims die in the process.

There is a well known saying of the Prophet when he said that , 'If anyone harms those under covenant (people of dhimma) then
I will argue in the favour of the non-muslim on the day of judgement'

In practicality it means that if there were unjust kiling to the non-muslim then his family can ask for the killer to be given death or apply for blood money and the same is right is given to the Muslim.

So the status of the non-muslim is not lowered rather his blood, funds and honour is sacred and protected.

Ali

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*Originally posted by basic_force: *
So Islam in fact is not the universal religion. It only seek to protect "momins" from un-just killings. "Non-momins", perhaps are not recognized as human beings. It also means that "momin" is always justified whenever he kills a "non-momin".

This is that ugly face of "momins" which they (i.e. momins) themself cannot see....!!!
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Hi!!

Yes you are right killing a non muslim or a muslim is khunahe kabera.

It is an unforgiveable sin from GOD.

But if some one attacks at your door and you are likely to be killed then you can defend your self in the way you feel appropriate in that situation; if your defence demands killing of the attacker then you have to kill him.

And if later his VORASA forgive you then ok, otherwise you have to pay them KHOUN BAHA.

Then you would pray to God for forgiveness. If killing that person was the last resort to save your life.Otherwise it is unforgiveable sin, so is gunahe kabera.

The topic of discussion is kunahe kabera and khunahey sagheras. Most of the people say that all khunas would be forgiven if you ask for forgiveness from GOD.

But what I know that, it is not the case otherwise continue doing khunas and ask for forgiveness, and have faith in GOD that he would for sure forgive.

It does not make sense to me. It is like christians confess and do what ever you like, GOD loves you he would forgive you. Then who would be in jahannum?

What I know khunahe kaberas are different from khunahe sagheras. khunahe sagheras are the one which one does unintentionally and does not harm anyone else except your self. And if you ask for forgiveness would POSSIBLY would be forgiven by GOD

But khunahe kaberas are those khunahas in which some one else is also involved or gets involved indirectly.

Such khunahe kaberas are not going to be forgiven by GOD, if are /were done delibrately.

Example succideing, killing some one for self satisfaction of some kind; for example killing people christians, non muslims, shias, sunnis, and any government person etc ,

Adultration, taking some one werasat. Eating /taking MAAL E YATEEM etc
and drinking SHARAB or DOING NASHA of any kind etc etc are unforgiveable sins. your opinion please .Wasaalam sokoon