Killing for religion is justified, say third of Muslim students

Would you kill someone in the name of religion? Muslims are becoming more and more insular and radical

**Killing for religion is justified, say third of Muslim students **

**A third of Muslim students in Britain believe killing someone in the name of religion is justified, a new poll claims. **

By Patrick Sawer

Last Updated: 6:29PM BST 26 Jul 2008

The survey found that extreme Islamist ideology has a profound influence on a significant minority of Muslims on campuses across the country.
The findings will concern police chiefs, the security services and ministers, who are struggling with radicalisation among Muslim communities.

The YouGov poll was conducted for the Right-wing think tank, the Centre for Social Cohesion, at 12 universities, including Imperial College and Kings College London. It also found:

  • 40 per cent support the introduction of sharia into British law for Muslims

  • a third back the notion of a worldwide Islamic caliphate (state) based on sharia law

  • 40 per feel it is unacceptable for Muslim men and women to mix freely

  • 24 per cent do not think men and women are equal in the eyes of Allah

  • a quarter have little or no respect for homosexuals.

Although 53 per cent said that killing in the name of religion was never justified, compared with 94 per cent of non-Muslims, 32 per cent said that it was. Of these, 4 per cent said killing could be justified to “promote or preserve” religion, while 28 per cent said it was acceptable if that religion were under attack.
There was also sympathy for the view that Muslim soldiers in the Armed Forces should be allowed to opt out of operations in Muslim countries, with 57 per cent agreeing.
The report’s authors found that Islamic societies on campus, operating under the umbrella of the Federation of Student Islamic Societies, exert a strong influence on many of Britain’s 90,000 Muslim students. A quarter of them belong to Islamic societies and their views are often more extreme.
While three-fifths of society members said that killing in the name of religion was acceptable, an equal number of non-member Muslims said it was never justified. The security services have identified Islamist activism at universities acts as a possible “gateway” to violent extremism. Several terrorists and sympathisers began their extremist careers on campuses.
The authors of the report, “Islam on Campus”, lay much of the blame for extremism among Muslim students on the group Hizb ut-Tahrir, which seeks to build a worldwide Islamic state.
YouGov polled 600 Muslim students and 800 non-Muslim students at universities with a high number of Muslims.

**:)........Look who is calling the Kettle Black............:)

Britian Invades Afghanistan and Iraq..............so now they feel they have to find justification for their Humanitarian mission..........:p
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Re: Killing for religion is justified, say third of Muslim students

killing for money and oil is more justified, no does one talks about that ? why not ?

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Re: Killing for religion is justified, say third of Muslim students

At least religion is more noble than land, money, pride, prejudice, racism, terrorism (read BUSH), oil, supremacy, greed, intolerance, hatred, jealousy,.....etc.

Western media and a portion of eastern media have double standards in presenting the news. Their whole nation knows the truth but try to show themselves innocent, sympathetic and unaware. Who on earth elect such leaders, the same nation who latter raise slogans against attack on Iraq and Afghanistan. Double faced people.

Peace saregamapa

Social cohesion and right-wing think tank are diametrically opposed stand-points. The poll has only determined a manner for alienating a section of the educated-religious Muslim youths.

Sharia - is designed to optimise the welfare of humans, environment, animals and at the same time promote values, ethics and worhsip of the Divine. It is not a systematic manner for the removal of rights as the media has us believe. The 40% backing of sharia should be split into sub-questions.

a) Sharia as perceived by the West
b) Sharia implemented as in current regimes
c) Sharia correctly phased in based on uplifting values and morals in society

The low number is demonstrating that Muslims do not correctly understand the value in Sharia. Based on the limited scope of the question however I'm sure some Muslims answered wisely and said 'no' to avoid confusion and possible twisting from the questioning party.

The second question has a similar persepctive.

For men and women to mix freely:

Here in the poll there has been no attempt to define the term freely: it is again reflecting the state of such a society that chooses to define 'freely' in innocent ways when it comes to polls, but in reality the 'freely' takes shape in society in a debasing manner. The level of freedom in mixing offered by our society is contributing to a major number of the ethical problems being faced by our citizens today.

The manner in which current regimes toting the label of Sharia are dealing with people is in such an ignorant manner alien to Islam that the message communicated to the world regarding interactions in Islam is being maligned.

As for the equality issue ... how is it determined?
Are men and women equal? Or equivalent? Or the same? Or are certain aspects about them equal? The poll needs to be clearer so the answer to be given should be it depends.

The interesting aspects of this article is that the questions are open and interpretation allows for mischief by the questioners. Also, look at the detailed summation of the reason behind the 32% who say killing in the name of religion is allowed.

On closer inspection only 4% argue that it can be done for non-defensive measures, however, the vast majority i.e. 28% say it for defensive ends. Here a little truth gem surfaces in the article of deception by Sawyer.

Another question should be:

What country's laws and culture are closest to the Sharia ... you will see that the Western countries i.e. USA and UK will be top of the list already.

Its a good question....

What a Muslim must do if Islam is attacked?

Re: Killing for religion is justified, say third of Muslim students

^ A muslim must pray to Allah (swt) to make things right.

:frusty:

Could we please have a link for this saregamapa? :slight_smile:

So you are saying that it is OK to kill in the name of religion. Pardon me for asking, but this is the message that you convey.

Give me the names of these idiots.

i think killing for religion is justified until there is strong reason to back up....bc if we see Islamic history our PROPHET [PBUH] fought to protect our religion..............but there r different forms of fighting and i believe that these succide bombing r not the way and r not allowed in islam
Islam is peace loving religion,a muslim is not allowed to kill even an animal without reason then how could it be allowed to kill human beings...but on the same time islam also state that fight with those who fight with you

Peace anjjan

No ... your paraphrasing is an inanity! Islam cannot be attacked. Muslims can be, or innocents can be. Fighting to defend ourselves and fighting to defend innocents is our instruction.

Bad behaviour of Muslims is enough to damage the image of Islam ... but Islam cannot be under attack as such.

Re: Killing for religion is justified, say third of Muslim students

OMFG. i am openly against sharia law. kill me. stone me to death. i live in Australia, come and get me. seriously, Shariah Law is not compatible with the principles of freedom, democracy and 21st century society. Muslims have two options: we can continue the suck up Saudi Arabia, the Taliban, Osama bin Laden, Muslim Brotherhood, al Qaeda, Hizbut Tahrir, etc and for ever be cavemen and ban tv, music, female education etc etc or we can reform ourselves to keep our rich cultural heritage and to cleanse the Muslim world from all the muck and rubbish that currently inhabits it.....but most muslim are happy to follow the former. well....F*uck you.

irony.

Islamic shariah has nothing to do with Saudi Arabia, the Taliban, Osama bin Laden, Muslim Brotherhood, al Qaeda, Hizbut Tahrir etc, none of these groups are experts in Islamic Law so calm down.

Re: Killing for religion is justified, say third of Muslim students

Thread opener is requested to share the link of this news (survey).

Although, I am not placing any doubts but still asking for a link to original report is a legitimate request. Please oblige :flower:

This thread is closed until further notice.