"Kill Team" Photos release

Nisha25 · March 24, 2011, 2:09pm

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urgh, by the time i finish reading all that i just might get my phd…woooh hooo!

what up with writing a book man :hinna:

Nisha25 · March 25, 2011, 1:33am

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Last person to answer this post wins!!!!

Good grief. You asking for a thesis paper one would write for a PHD. Look short answer is there is no logic behind it. It is all emotions and stupidity. The long answer is like I said a PHD thesis paper. Here is the abstract.

The crazy nutters who support the Taliban do not do so because of logic or basic views of humanity. Rather they do so for emotional and subjective reasons. What are these reasons. 60 years of history and the consequences of actions taken**. They believe (to quote the Ayatollah) that the US is Satan. It is full of people who are out to kill Muslims and take over their lands. That Americans have restarted the crusades all over again. Now logically this does not make sense but emotionally it does.**

Now here starteth the history lesson. Faris can jump in and fix any names and dates.

The US has done the most to ensure that democracy does not spread in the oil rich areas of the Muslim world. In 1954 the elected Prime Minister of Iran (Mou something I can’t remember his name) took it upon himself to stop the oil production in the country and take it away from the hands of the British. British and US armed forces actively supported a coup d’etat removed the democratically elected PM and placed in his place the Shah. 30 years later (roughly) the Shah was dethroned. One of the underlying causes of the over throw was the actions taken in 1954.

They have played double games selling WMDs to Iraq and others that have been used to kill Muslims world wide. Do you know that there is not a single Arab country in this world that has any form of a functioning democracy? They are all dictatorships or royal families. In the 21st centuries they places have no democratic values and the US actively supports a majority of these regimes. Saudi Arabia, UAE, Oman, Bahrain, Qatar and Jordan are just a few examples.

The one sided approach on Israel. The actions taken in Bosnia only after Pakistan and Turkey started funneling weapons to the Bosnian Muslims with Saudi money. Now to be honest this had US support. They allowed these three countries to fund the Bosnian militias and give them weapons, but did nothing to stop the genocide occurring.

All this pulls at the heart strings of Muslims world wide and it is a common feeling that the US is unfair in its dealings with the Muslim world.

This translates to the old adage. The Taliban and the American military forces are all *******s. But the Taliban they are our *******s so its okay.

One thing CENTCOM said and its true is that the average Afghan does not complain or care that the Taliban killed 20 innocent people. If the Americans kill one innocent person there are strikes in numerous towns and Karzai makes a statement on the matter.

Now not all Americans are trigger happy yokels. The ones from Arizona sure. The rest not so much The average American serving in Afghanistan or Iraq is not serving there to kill Muslims. He or she under take such activities out of civic pride. It is an honor a badge of pride to say they served with their people in Iraq or Afghanistan. Some are good and some are bad. There are some who spend hours helping build schools and clinics. Stock them with supplies and teach the nurses. Only to have it blown up by the Taliban a few weeks later and the Afghans again demand the Americans pay.

The Afghans in general are a power hungry and greedy nation. Blame it on 30 years of war or whatever you want but their only aim is to take as much as they can before ISAF leaves.

The ISAF forces are also naive. They don’t understand the cultural context and by no means the power broker set up. Most of the time you hear of ISAF killing the wrong people it isn’t their fault. The Afghans that work for them use ISAF to settle a blood debt or a political score. They have been wising up for the past 3 or 4 years but the damage has been done.

They come in believing people will be honest and wish to develop the country. One thing you can not fault the average American for is the fact that they do have good hearts and come with those intentions and views in mind. The Americans have poured more than 20 billion dollars alone in development projects in Afghanistan. That is a **** load of money for a country fighting two battles and in an economic recession.

Development wise ISAF has done a great job but on a matter of principle the military should never be involved in development work.

I hope that answers the Thesis question you posed to me

wow, you so smart i bow to your immense knowledge. i would have to say that most i’ve seen talking, don’t think like you most do see it the way you said in bold, just seeing those hate comments can be very discouraging. you see all sides of the issue, love that. and yes, most americans(white, black, hispanic, indian, pakistani, and every ethnic group that comes under that name) are good hearted very giving,wonderful people .

there are so many videos online that show all the efforts the armed forces are putting in to develop afghanistan’s schools and the infrastructure. most are truly good hearted soldiers. are those videos ever highlighted…no. it’s the few rotten ones, like these nutjobs in the article, that some people love to display and highlight.

again, wow, you’ve summed up the whole situation and how complicated it is so well. :k:

PS: btw, do you really have a phd in poly sci?
i complimented you way too much lately, don’t get all high on yourself now

ravage · March 28, 2011, 6:15pm

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At one point," the Rolling Stone caption reads, “soldiers in 3rd Platoon talked about throwing candy out of a Stryker vehicle as they drove through a village and shooting the children who came running to pick up the sweets.”

Cant wait till these guys get their just desserts and are thoroughly punished by being discharged from service.

underthedome · March 29, 2011, 9:53pm

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Knowledge of the killings moved through the chain of command but was ignored for sometime before being exposed by Stoner. Claiming the opposite at this point and time isn’t the right way to go about things. First off why didn’t the chain of command work in identifying Calvin Gibbs as a potential problem and remove him before any of these murders occurred? Second, we know the information about the crimes moved up through the chain but was not acted on, how high did it get and why was is it not acted on?

Allowing bad apples to slip by is bad enough, letting one spread it’s seeds and germinate without action is unacceptable.

javedmiandad · April 4, 2011, 10:00pm

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Pak army should help people of afghanistan and defend them against the terrorist americans. One muslim is brother of another we are not friends or brothers of terrorist americans they are the kuffar enemy they shoot afghan boys and think they are tough but we all know they are bunch of chicken cowards hiding in their bases!