Kick out miandad?/Miandad threatens to quit.

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Should we kick out miandad and bring some new coach most likely a foreign one who can kick some a$$ of our players? My suggestion is there should be a coach for each dept (ie batting/bowling/fielding) and then there should be a special coaching for captain. I personally think, miandad is not suited for this job. I am not questioning his effort in putting things straight. It is his coaching technique that is flawed. If all of your players aren’t listening or adopting to whatever you are teaching, there must be something wrong with the teacher, not the student. Same goes with Miandad.

What’s your say?

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its not as starightforward as u piut it. his coaching could be a bit to blame, but the bulk of the balme goes to the selectors. some of the players playing shd not be in the team, irrespective of their past record. some of them have serious technical flaws. so i would not give up on javed just yet, n instead fire wasim bari.

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looks like Imran has already started the process.

http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/007200404162173.htm?headline=Imran’s~dinner~fuels~fears~of~second~coup~against~Miandad

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Imran’s dinner fuels fears of second coup against Miandad **
Rawalpindi, April 16. (PTI): Former bowling great Imran Khan, has raised a storm by “deliberately omitting” Javed Miandad from a list of high-profile guests whom he invited for a lavish party at his home, amid speculation that plans for a second coup were underway to oust the Pakistan coach.

The all-rounder invited all the members of the current Pakistan team as well as Indian cricketers for the party two days ago but ignored Miandad, with whom he has never got along well.

“He invited manager Haroon Rasheed, Inzamam and other senior players along with the Indians but blatantly ignored Miandad, making it obvious how much he dislikes seeing him in a position of power,” local daily ‘The News’ said.

Recalling a similar dinner hosted by Imran in 1993 in Lahore which triggered off a revolt against Miandad’s captaincy, it said, “It was Imran’s way of paying back Miandad whom he has always held responsible for his forced ouster as captain and retirement after the 1992 World Cup.”

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Miandad cant be totally blamed for this loss. He is working hard with the player. I think he is an excellent coach but thats about it. He isnt good when it comes to handling players and etc. As far as foreign coach is concerned, I dont know if it will work cuz none of the Paki players can hardly speak english, so i dont see how an english speaking coach can communicate with them. I am not saying players should know english, but a coach should be able to communicate with them.

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I would say this is embellishment of the truth. I have read Imran’s autobiography and Imran never liked Javed as a person but he respected Javed’s ability as a batsman and cricket brain. The great thing about Imran was he never let personal likes or dislikes weaken the Pakistani team. I can guarantee he would have got 100% out of Shoaib Akhtar. I wish he would pack in politics and come back to what he does best. Keep bitches like Miandad in line.

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If Imran is that serious and sincere, he should come down and help the team instead of hosting dinners and giving interviews. Its that simple.

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Imran is not a coach. He is a figure head, with a strong presence and can give some tips here and there to bowlers. If you think having Miandad is disruptive in the team, Imran will be ten times worse. His best positioning will be something like PCB CHairman or CEO kinda position. Not the nitty gritty.

Miandad is unsuitable for Pakistan team for several reasons, and none of them really is this series-specific.

  1. He is totally lacking in use of technology.
  2. He is too much of an attention-seeker.
  3. He creates divisions in the team due to his long history.
  4. He is not good in all departments of a game, but doesn't admit it.

He has some good points, obviously. A great cricketing brain. Works hard with the team and tries to impart useful tips all the time to the players.

Having a foreign coach may or may not solve the problem. We need a professional coach, who knows ins and outs of modern coaching techniques. Can use technology to guide the players. And able to communicate with the players. Above all we need a coach who has authority on the team and is feared and respected by our so-called "superstars". We also need to provide specialized coaching in all departments of the game.. i.e. batting, bowling and fielding. So while there may be one head-coach who is responsible over all, there should be separate coaches for fielding and bowling and whatnot.

In my view, the best bet is to have someone like Waseem Raja (or similar) - who can communicate with the players and is a professionally certified coach. He has been with the team in the past, but couldn't get along with some players. Unless PCB gives clear authority to the coach to deal with the players, the process will not be successful.

ps. I don't think there can be a separate coach just for the captain. If the captain is dumb, you can't really make him a great captain. The broad strategy should be discussed before hand between the coach and the captain. The implementation should be Captain's responsibility. So far Inzi has consistently failed to be a good captain in the field (atleast in this series). But thats a separate discussion.

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With all the money PCB's made through this series,they better put it to some good use and do something abt the coach!.

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Faisal, agreed!

Miandad is not the only problem facing the team but he is right in the middle of it. Though I haven't heard that Miandad's presence is disruptive to the players or that he might also be creating factions among the players and management but I wouldn't be surprised if it were true. To make better performers out of our cricket them the following steps must be taken:

  1. OUST MIANDAD: Miandad doesn't get along with the selectors and management because of their egos. There is no doubt about it that Miandad was a genius at the stump while W. Bari and W. Raja have had their moment in the sun. Bringing in a new non-Pakistani coach will ensure that there are no rivalries and no egos are bruised.

  2. OUST INZI AS CAPTAIN: I am sure all you remember the test series againt New Zealand where Pakistan needed a few runs to win but Inzi decided to bat the next day because rain threatened. That was a stupid decision. Did he not think that Pakistan is at the brink of winning the test series and perhaps the innings should not be postponed?

  3. IMPROVE THE TOP ORDER: Imran Nazir, Yasir Hameed, Taufeeq Umar, and Imran Farhat are NOT competent openers. Either get rid of them or better train them.

  4. SHAHID AFRIDI: Whose bright idea was it to introduce Shahid Afridi back to the team????????

  5. BOWLERS: I am not impressed with Shoaib Akhtar! What good is a pace bowler if he only relies on pace? All of you will agree that batting against a pace bowler is easier than batting against a seamer (seamer or seemer?). I was much more impressed by how Irfan Pathan bowled. Retain the services of either Wasim Akaram or Waqar Younis. But one thing much be remembered if either of those are hired: EGO.

    The two greats W & W will not tolerate a ego bruising and that will create obstacle for the coach/manager.

  6. NEW PLAYERS: Kamran Akmal, Asim Kamal, Umar Hul, and Shabir Ahmed need guidance. All of these guys have potential and under proper no non-sense guidance they can also become greats.

Moving on...Imran Khan is just adding fuel to the fire! It is one thing not to approve of the coach and another to insult him. For one, I do not appreciate what Imran did no matter how bad Pakistan played. This only shows how weak PCB is and others will only take advantage of it.

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Exactly my thoughts. :k:

Biggest problem with him is the urge to take all credits. Everytime there is a win he will be all over places bragging himself.I dont see this being done by Aus or Indian coach.It seems like he still thinks he is a player. His transformation from Player to coach has not happened as yet.

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Re: Kick out miandad?

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*Originally posted by zakiahmed: *
Should we kick out miandad and bring some new coach most likely a foreign one who can kick some a$$ of our players? My suggestion is there should be a coach for each dept (ie batting/bowling/fielding) and then there should be a special coaching for captain. I personally think, miandad is not suited for this job. I am not questioning his effort in putting things straight. It is his coaching technique that is flawed. If all of your players aren't listening or adopting to whatever you are teaching, there must be something wrong with the teacher, not the student. Same goes with Miandad.

What's your say?
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We tried a foregn coach Rihard Pybus. He left in disgust. Our players don't listen to the coach because there are too many 'spoilers' from outside. Most of the retired cricketers are doing it so that they can somehow sneak in. The only way any coach can ensure that our batsmen play staight is to shove the cricket bat up their a$$.

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Faisal u r rite

We certinly need to get rid of present coach.

we see coach taking the responsibility of defeat n step down but no tradition here.

Imran must also stop his political involvement in the team, he has done alot in his time.

i don't understand why he is pampering the fast bowlers so much. i was listening his interview yestarday on BBC n he was really defeandinf Shoaib n Sami like kids.

if they dont perform make them sit out side

it looks for our players national prestige come never

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[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by Faisal: *
Imran is not a coach. He is a figure head, with a strong presence and can give some tips here and there to bowlers. If you think having Miandad is disruptive in the team, Imran will be ten times worse. His best positioning will be something like PCB CHairman or CEO kinda position. Not the nitty gritty.

Miandad is unsuitable for Pakistan team for several reasons, and none of them really is this series-specific.

  1. He is totally lacking in use of technology.
  2. He is too much of an attention-seeker.
  3. He creates divisions in the team due to his long history.
  4. He is not good in all departments of a game, but doesn't admit it.

He has some good points, obviously. A great cricketing brain. Works hard with the team and tries to impart useful tips all the time to the players.

Having a foreign coach may or may not solve the problem. We need a professional coach, who knows ins and outs of modern coaching techniques. Can use technology to guide the players. And able to communicate with the players. Above all we need a coach who has authority on the team and is feared and respected by our so-called "superstars". We also need to provide specialized coaching in all departments of the game.. i.e. batting, bowling and fielding. So while there may be one head-coach who is responsible over all, there should be separate coaches for fielding and bowling and whatnot.

In my view, the best bet is to have someone like Waseem Raja (or similar) - who can communicate with the players and is a professionally certified coach. He has been with the team in the past, but couldn't get along with some players. Unless PCB gives clear authority to the coach to deal with the players, the process will not be successful.

ps. I don't think there can be a separate coach just for the captain. If the captain is dumb, you can't really make him a great captain. The broad strategy should be discussed before hand between the coach and the captain. The implementation should be Captain's responsibility. So far Inzi has consistently failed to be a good captain in the field (atleast in this series). But thats a separate discussion.
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some gd points there. never really thought of waseem raja as a coach, but he could be an option. any coaching experience b4 for him?

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[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by akpower: *

some gd points there. never really thought of waseem raja as a coach, but he could be an option. any coaching experience b4 for him?
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Waseem Raja was the coach of our national team some time ago, but our phannay khan players knocked him out.

With Rameez as CEO, it will be difficult to bring Waseem as a coach, cz people will quickly point fingers at rishtadaari. So, point is, whats needed is anyone who is a professional coach, with good command over the game, can communicate with the players and can use new technology to make our bunch of talented but erratic players into a world beating squad.

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Miandad threatens to quit](http://uk.cricinfo.com/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/CRICKET_NEWS/2004/APR/128539_PAK_19APR2004.html)

Javed Miandad, Pakistan’s coach, has threatened to quit his post if the team management is fiddled around with too much. Talking to the Press Trust of India, Miandad said: “I am sure that this team has the potential to bounce back, and I can guide this team to improve, but I will quit if there are major shake-ups in the team management.”

Miandad, shaken and stirred after his team’s defeat to India in both the Test and one-day series, has been roundly criticised in Pakistan for his alleged unprofessional approach as a coach, and the indiscipline of his bowlers and fielders. “To appoint a bowling coach or a fielding coach is the Pakistan Cricket Board’s decision,” he said, “but major changes are not advisable … We need time to mould this team.”

Miandad’s contract as Pakistan’s coach expires at the end of this month. This is his third stint at the job, the previous two having ended in controversy: the first time around, he quit after disgareements with his senior players, 15 days before the 1999 World Cup; the second time, he was sacked.

Whether Miandad stays or goes is hard to forecast, but changes certainly are likely to sweep through Pakistan cricket, and the board’s chairman, Shaharyar Khan, has indicated as much.

However, Khan confirmed that Inzamam-ul-Haq would continue as captain. “We appointed him for 2004 to introduce some consistency and continuity in the team,” Khan said. “It was also to give Inzamam some confidence. We will stick by that policy.”

He added, “There will be some changes, but these would be done after having meetings with the management and the players and selectors. We are not going to jump the gun.”

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besharam aadmi, abhee tuk “threaten” hee kar raha hai?

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^ come on yaar, he is still a cricketing legend who has brought so many laurels to the country... :~) ab becharay ki kit tu na na lagao!!

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Re: Re: Kick out miandad?

:rotfl: well said.

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Raja, Miandad may lose jobs

Pakistan skipper Inzamam-ul Haq will continue to hold his job but the axe may fall on CEO Ramiz Raja and coach Javed Miandad, who have been under the scanner following the team’s disastrous show against India.

“Inzamam has been appointed as captain till the end of 2004 and Board Chairman Shaharyar Khan has informed him about the decision to let him continue,” PCB spokesman Sami-ul Hasan said from Karachi today.

“Now he can concentrate on the efforts to rebuild the team.”

The decision to continue Inzamam would be a big boost for the burly right-hander as local media had denounced his captaincy during the India series as “lacklustre” and “uninspiring”.

Although the PCB is yet to take any decision on Raja, Miandad and team-manager Haroon Rashid, there have been feelers that the trio may be on their way out.

On Miandad, whose contract lasts till 2005, Hasan evaded a direct reply, saying only that the PCB chief had taken a “favourable view” of the achievement of the coach. But he declined to comment on media reports that the Board had approached Australian cricketer Dean Jones for the coaching job.

A section of the media here speculated that PCB was considering appointing Jones, who did TV commentary during the Indo-Pak series, for the post as he has a good rapport with the PCB establishment.

Local daily ‘The Nation’ reported that PCB has already informed Jones about the offer.

As far as Raja was concerned, Shaharyar has appreciated his organising skills, but has had reservations about him continuing as the CEO as well as a TV commentator.

Raja was appointed directly by President General Pervez Musharraf, who is also the patron of the PCB, and the PCB Chief himself appreciated his services.

“Raja was appointed with a brief to organise the Indo-Pak series in a befitting manner and he was quite successful in that,” Hasan said.

Not sure if this is true!

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Raja is actually a decent person and quite knowledgable about cricket to manage it better than most baffoons we have seen in PCB. However, he is just doing too many things... with his job at ABL and commentary and all that. His leaving PCB will be a loss.

Miandad is a different story.

Dean Jones is very knowledgable.. but he is a brash Aussie. If he ever gets appointed it will be interesting to see how our "shuper stars" react to his very direct manner of communicating. Also, I am not sure if Jones is a trained coach either. It may very well be out of the frying pan into the fire.