Kibr (Pride and arrogance)

Also known in English as Narcisistic personality disorder! My dad has a severe form of this but of course, it has no cure.

So Islamically - is kibr only punishable in the hearafter or WILL a person face the consequences in this life as well?

Re: Kibr (Pride and arrogance)

Maybe your dad needs ruqya. Have you ever thought about that?

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This thread is a consequence of his mistake.

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@coffeegirl

Monk is not being rude … He is saying that had he not been arrogant , then his daughter would not have had the need to start a thread about him … At least some consequence to it is happening … To what significant extent? Don’t know.

And by the way pride does have a cure … either to recognise this fault and practice humility or not recognise this fault and be systematically humiliated … It is quite harsh … The sort of stuff done to SAS soldiers and even detainees at Guantanamo … It will rid people of pride … If the regime is done properly … without dehumanising them … I’m not advocating that should be done though …

First thing is that the environment needs to change … His whole world moved upside-down, different friends, better minds, different environment, and so on … He would need to be shown how to un-learn his mind of his teachings and re-learn new things … Some people would need to constantly pick out how he is wrong and say it to him.

But it can’t be done easily, especially if he surrounded by people who have to respect him and love him in that way.

Re: Kibr (Pride and arrogance)

Kibr, the most dangerous form of complex anxiety of the self. The self is so subtle, it is like a black ant crawling over a rock under a moonlight night. You and I are in no position at all to make judgments on another person’s self even if certain manifestations may suggest one thing to you.

You do not have any right to tell your father about his mistakes by pointing them out. You do not have any right to tell him to make changes to turn his life around. The only thing that could work is: Patience and Dua.

Be patient with him, not reactive. Do not agree or obey if him in something wrong/oppressive, but also do not disobey him harshly. Deal with him in agreement or rejection with the highest etiquettes. This requires patience. Only Dua and good ikhlaaq can turn people’s hearts. Avoid using your tongue in any other way your ego dictates instead.

Do not worry about hows and whys of punishment. That is in Allah’s judgement. He will probably forgive your dad of all his sins and insh-allah grant him Jannah when he is done with his time here. But do not go lambasting Godly wrath with him on God’s behalf. You just worry about your treatment of him with your language.

maithon hor na koyee syanaa…