kia sab Muslims jannat main jayengay??

I was in the argument with one of my friend a few days back. I said, inshAllah Hazrat Mohammad S.A.W ka HAR ummati jannat main jayega.. agar bohat nek hua to bina koi saza paae.. aur agar gunah main bhi mubtala raha (jesa ke aaj kal har muslim abto gumrahi me mubtala hay) tab bhi apnay gunaho ki saza panay ke baad, MAGAR jaayega zarooooor, inshAllah..

she denied, she said, agar is baat ka itna he yaqeen hojaye ke har musalman jannat main jayega to koi musalman apnay apko durust kernay ka kese sochay ga? isterhan to har koi ye soch le ke hum ne Kalma-e-tayyab parh liya, Huzoor Paak S.A.W ke ummati hain, jannat main to jana he jana hay to ao gunah karen..
isliye zaroori nahin ke har musalman jannat main jaye!

ab ye do baatain ho gayeen, what you all say??

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Ya, all Muslims will. But I read a very interesting essay online once in which the author argued that not all "Muslims" may not be considered "Muslims" by Allah.

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ALL kalima go will end up in jannat including those sinners who committed both saGhira ande Kabira gunaah [major and minor sins] after receiving their prescribed punishment [azaab]...they may have to stay in HELL for thousands of years [ONLY Allah knows how long]...so YES, ALL kalima go will end up in pradise eventually!

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according to ayah or hadith its fine but i personally feals that how its possible that a muslim do every bad deed just on the base that he is qalma go???

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yeah you are right too but m really confused abt it.
PS:- paen your siggi is just horrible.

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**thank you :) don't be confused...who wants to burn in hell fire for even a second, let alone a TEN thousand years in Allah calculations where one day is equal to one thousand years on earth...just IMAGINE!!!

as far as my siggy is concerned, unfortunately, it's the truth...PPP's slogan has been "roTii, kapRaa aur makaan" which they did NOT deliver. instead, what they have given in Karachi are bullet, kafan and qabr... sad!**

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v true,infact impressive info...i knew it but mera dhyan nai gya us taraf...yeah you are right according to the present plight of karachi you perfactly wrote it.

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**Khuda kaa shukr hai k tum samajh gaiiN merii baat varna maiN to samjhaa thaa k tum laRne ke mooD meN ho :cb: magar, maiN to kabhii bhii laRne ke mooD meN nahiiN hotaa :smiley: **

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My knowledge and understanding of Islam in this matter is different from you both. Topic is very deep and time consuming, so I would try to limit it to basics.

From what I know, many Muslims like to believe that Kalma-go would end up in Jannah (eventually) just like many Jews believe that all Jews would be in Jannah or Christians believe that anyone considering Jesus as son of God would end up in Paradise. Anyhow, facts would be known on judgement day and could be very disappointing for such believers.

As for ending up in Jannah eventuality, that is also debatable. There is belief that Allah’s ‘Rahmaniyet (mercy)’ would overshadow Allah’s ‘Qahar’ for each and every creation of Allah (Muslims and Kuffars alike) at one point in time for particular individuals and thus for them eternal punishment would be eternal as long as Allah would wish that to be eternal for them (this eternal period could be a second or infinite, only Allah knows the best). After that, people (Muslims and others) would be forgiven and punishments would end. In this eventuality, people would either perish or may end up in Jannah (Wallah-alaam).

So, from my understanding, there is chance for every individual soul (regardless of Kalma-go or not) to end up in Jannah, stay in hell bearing punishments without ever entering Jannah, Perish at some point in time (as their eternal period of existence ending), or whatever.

[Note: non-ending eternal existence is only of Allah and eternal period of existence for rest of Allah’s creation depends on what eternal period Allah has decided for their existence and that period could vary for different individual creations of Allah. So, when Allah says eternal referring to state or existence of his creation, that eternal means a period that Allah has decided for them as eternal and that period only Allah knows its extend].

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Nice way of looking at it. Can you suggest some websites or something where I can read about it in detail?

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Quran has at many places said those who have done bad deeds will be put in hell and will live there forever.
Quran did not give any exception for Muslims in this regards.
According to my belief whatever Allah says is truth and it cannot be changed by any human.
Allah has also said that Allah can do whatever Allah wishes so if Allah wishes then Allah can throw us all in hell or paradise, but from Allah's characteristic of being just we cannot expect any unjust action or reaction.

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Peace,

I heard that all Muslims will be eventually enter in paradise after completion of their terms in Hell (as per their sin) except those who did 'Shirk' or 'Gunna-e-Kabira'.

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^yeah, thats what i heard too!

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I think there is a hadith also in this regard. I'll try to find it.

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While that is true, Muhammad is said to have the power to stop Allah from throwing someone in hell. This is mentioned in a hadees

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Peace Theorist,

I think you meant "Muhammad :saw2: is said to have more power in His plea to stop Allah SWT from throwing someone in hell.

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Agar aisa hogaya tou jannat, jannat na rahay gi..............j/k

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No offense but I meant what I said. edited

Mirch- Only if more muslims thought the same, they would be in a much better position they are today. Once you start believing all ahadith, you start making room for other stuff a maulvi/religious “scholar”/peer says.

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Peace Queen_24,

All Muslim will be eventually entered into Paradise except those who did ‘Shirk’ and/or ‘Gunnah-e-Kabira’, According to the hadith mentioned below, its clearly stated that:
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Book ‘To make the Heart Tender (Ar-Riqaq)’ of Sahih Bukhari Hadith No. 575,
****Narrated 'Abdullah: The Prophet :saw2: said, “I know the person who will be the last to come out of the (Hell) Fire, and the last to enter Paradise. He will be a man who will come out of the (Hell) Fire crawling, and Allah will say to him, ‘Go and enter Paradise.’ He will go to it, but he will imagine that it had been filled, and then he will return and say, ‘O Lord, I have found it full.’ Allah will say, ‘Go and enter Paradise, and you will have what equals the world and ten times as much (or, you will have as much as ten times the like of the world).’ On that, the man will say, 'Do you mock at me (or laugh at me) though You are the King?” I saw Allah’s Apostle :saw2: (while saying that) smiling that his premolar teeth became visible. It is said that will be the lowest in degree amongst the people of Paradise.

When we read the above hadith, one question is raised in our mind that who are those persons? Here is another hadith which describe us about those persons.
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Book ‘Characteristics of Prayer’ of Sahih Bukhari Hadith No 770.
Narrated Abu Huraira: The people said, “O Allah’s Apostle :saw2: ! Shall we see our Lord on the Day of Resurrection?” He replied, “Do you have any doubt in seeing the full moon on a clear (not cloudy) night?” They replied, “No, O Allah’s Apostle :saw2: !” He said, “Do you have any doubt in seeing the sun when there are no clouds?” They replied in the negative. He said, “You will see Allah (your Lord) in the same way. On the Day of Resurrection, people will be gathered and He will order the people to follow what they used to worship. So some of them will follow the sun, some will follow the moon, and some will follow other deities; and only this nation (Muslims) will be left with its hypocrites. Allah will come to them and say, ‘I am Your Lord.’ They will say, 'We shall stay in this place till our Lord comes to us and when our Lord will come, we will recognize Him. Then Allah will come to them again and say, ‘I am your Lord.’ They will say, ‘You are our Lord.’ Allah will call them, and As-Sirat (a bridge) will be laid across Hell and I (Muhammad) shall be the first amongst the Apostles to cross it with my followers. Nobody except the Apostles will then be able to speak and they will be saying then, ‘O Allah! Save us. O Allah Save us.’ There will be hooks like the thorns of Sa’dan in Hell. Have you seen the thorns of Sa’dan?” The people said, “Yes.” He said, "These hooks will be like the thorns of Sa’dan but nobody except Allah knows their greatness in size and these will entangle the people according to their deeds; some of them will fall and stay in Hell forever; others will receive punishment (torn into small pieces) and will get out of Hell, till when Allah intends mercy on whomever He likes amongst the people of Hell, He will order the angels to take out of Hell those who worshipped none but Him alone. The angels will take them out by recognizing them from the traces of prostrations, for Allah has forbidden the (Hell) fire to eat away those traces. So they will come out of the Fire, it will eat away from the whole of the human body except the marks of the prostrations. At that time they will come out of the Fire as mere skeletons. The Water of Life will be poured on them and as a result they will grow like the seeds growing on the bank of flowing water. Then when Allah had finished from the Judgments amongst his creations, one man will be left between Hell and Paradise and he will be the last man from the people of Hell to enter paradise. He will be facing Hell, and will say, ‘O Allah! Turn my face from the fire as its wind has dried me and its steam has burnt me.’ Allah will ask him, "Will you ask for anything more in case this favor is granted to you?’ He will say, “No by Your (Honor) Power!” And he will give to his Lord (Allah) what he will of the pledges and the covenants. Allah will then turn his face from the Fire. When he will face Paradise and will see its charm, he will remain quiet as long as Allah will. He then will say, ‘O my Lord! Let me go to the gate of Paradise.’ Allah will ask him, ‘Didn’t you give pledges and make covenants (to the effect) that you would not ask for anything more than what you requested at first?’ He will say, ‘O my Lord! Do not make me the most wretched, amongst Your creatures.’ Allah will say, ‘If this request is granted, will you then ask for anything else?’ He will say, ‘No! By Your Power! I shall not ask for anything else.’ Then he will give to his Lord what He will of the pledges and the covenants. Allah will then let him go to the gate of Paradise. On reaching then and seeing its life, charm, and pleasure, he will remain quiet as long as Allah wills and then will say, ‘O my Lord ! Let me enter Paradise.’ Allah will say, May Allah be merciful unto you, O son of Adam! How treacherous you are! Haven’t you made covenants and given pledges that you will not ask for anything more that what you have been given?’ He will say, ‘O my Lord! Do not make me the most wretched amongst Your creatures.’ So Allah will laugh and allow him to enter Paradise and will ask him to request as much as he likes. He will do so till all his desires have been fulfilled . Then Allah will say, ‘Request more of such and such things.’ Allah will remind him and when all his desires and wishes; have been fulfilled, Allah will say “All this is granted to you and a similar amount besides.” Abu Said Al-Khudri, said to Abu Huraira, 'Allah’s Apostle said :saw2:, "Allah said, ‘That is for you and ten times more like it.’ "Abu Huraira said, “I do not remember from Allah’s Apostle :saw2: except (his saying), 'All this is granted to you and a similar amount besides.” Abu Sahd said, “I heard him saying, 'That is for you and ten times more the like of it.”