It’s been a long time since I heard this type of comment. I think it’s because I don’t get very much chance to sit amongst elderly, desi women anymore.
(And yes, that’s a pun for those of you that will find opportunity to debate on it.)
I find it rather comical. A sentiment that perhaps stems from lack of knowledge. Or maybe I just take the words too literally…I dunno.
How can any person issuing this statement believe that Allah will send His laanat because a person wants Him to?
And conversely, how can any person on the receiving end be offended when to send or not to send laanat, is in the Almighty’s control and not in some person who is angered enough to utter the words.
There may be nothing in this…but there maybe something too.
No. I disagree. Iss main ajeeb baat hai.
According to my logic there is a contradiction in this request.
I do not believe in asking Allah for revenge. I believe that Allah automatically assigns rewards and punishments. I do not believe that we, as momins, should involve ourselves in such business.
I believe in praying and asking for mercy for those masoom. I do not believe in praying "against" anyone.
Like I said Sheraz, I think I take the words very literally. I'm sensitive about wishing bad things on people...no matter who they are.
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Like I said Sheraz, I think I take the words very literally. I'm sensitive about wishing bad things on people...no matter who they are.
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no matter who they are?? how can u say that..put urself in my position..they are killing my brothers..i dont have any kind of sympathy for them
i dont want to argue with u or anything..i guess we think differently
Muzna. I agree.
According to a very well known hadees, all duas that we make are accepted by Allah SWT, in one way or another. Either we directly get what we asked for, or something else is granted as a substitute, or some return is reserved for us on the day of judgement. And the same dua is accepted for the person who makes the dua, and for the person for whom the dua is intended. So in essence, if someone wishes for laanat on someone, he/she is asking for laanat for him/herself. So we have to be very careful in what we ask for.
And its ironic that we see the religion forum plastered with talk about how we are to follow the life of Prophet SAW and practice what he preached. Its no secret that Prophet SAW never made a buddua for anyone in his entire life.....and im sure he faced enemies way way worse than the enemies that we have to face in this day and age. Sheraaz mentioned about 'them' killing his 'brothers'. Prophets SAW own uncle, Hazrat Humza attained shahadat and I dont have to explain what the kuffaar did to his body. And yet, the Prophet SAW never uttered a single word of laanat for the perpetrators. Why cant we follow the same in this case?
Thanks Akif, you have put what I was trying to say very well.
I think the biggest evil human beings have ever faced is hatred. Whether they suffer as victims of someone else's hatred or the evil within themselves.
I firmly believe that those greats that passed before us were at peace because their hearts were free from this disease. They had infinite tolerance and patience.
I think that was the key to their success.
My view on religion is perhaps drastically different than the average person in this forum. I rarely look to dig out the finer letters of the law....I look for the concept and the general message of goodwill that Allah and his messengers were showing us. If we can only follow that, we'd be miles ahead.
I really dont remember thinking ill of anyone
except for this one person, but with time i have like forgiven but not forgotten
In college we used to say 'laanat ho tum pay' but never 'khuda ki lanat'
and i think we just used the 'lanat ho tum pay' sentence in humor rather then seriously
I further believe very sincerely that if there is a mazloom and masoom person with whom wrong has been done
then their budua is very effective
good question Anchal. perhaps someone will answer your question for us.
when we have been hurt or wronged....it is very easy to offer a bad'dua. What we must remember at that time is that revenge is unappreciated and anger is forbidden too. I know it's not easy...but when we overcome those feelings, it's the biggest sense of accomplishment you'll ever know.
I am not talking bout little stuff
usually I too let it go and dont give it a second thought
what bout something really big
I have forgiven and forgotten i know
but I am quite sure that if i ever see that person again my emotions are going to return and i will again start with my ill thoughts
Prophet Mohammed sent a letter to the king of Iran(persia)Kusru-pervez inviting him to Islam. But the King got soooo angry that he ripped up the ltter!
On hearing this the Prophet said"may Allah rip his Kingom like he Ripped Allahs name" And What do you know 5 years later the persian empire was defeted by the Roman(byzantine)empire!!
If the Prophet asked Allah to hurt someone who hurt his name than Why can't we?
Munza Is it you AADAT to cause dismay amongst muslims???
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Thanks for the example that you have posted. If it is verifiable, and I'm not casting doubts here, just being fair, then I must say that of all the recorded times when our prophet faced insult and injury at the hands of non-believers, this would be a rare occassion when he "struck back".
"If the Prophet asked Allah to hurt someone who hurt his name than Why can't we?"
I am more inclined to focus on and imitate his more common practice of patience and tolerance than to find singular incidences and outbursts and follow them.
"Munza Is it you AADAT to cause dismay amongst muslims???"
Suggesting that we hold our tempers, mind our tongues and practice tolerance and patience is your idea of causing "dismay"?
You have some twisted sense of logic that I cannot comprehend.
Anyways this is so true. The rewaj of sending simple curse or allah's curse on the opponents is so common that it has lost its value. Today very few bothers to understand what the person is saying… (its like saying the F* word or the famous desi maa behn lingo… even in villages this is so common that even live-stocks are also treated with the same words.)
Absolutely there is no logic to send Allah’s curse on others unreasonably. Actually, refering allah ki lanat on the opponents is pointed in the Quran, but not in the sense the way people use it.
Once a Christian deputation from Najran, which consisted of sixty persons and was headed by their chief 'Abdul Masih' (this also replies your another query about this perticular name), met Prophet Mohammad (sa) in a mosque and the discussion on the doctrine of the divinity of the Jesus continued at some length. When the questions has been fully discussed and the members of the deputation were found to be still insisting on their false doctrine, the Holy Prophet in obedience to the divine commandment invited them as a last resort to join him in a prayer-contest. The verse, which refers to this incidence, says:
“Now whoso disputes with thee concerning him, after what has come to thee of knowledge, say to him: ’Come, let us call our sons and yours sons and our women and your women, and our people and your people, then let us pray fervently and invoke ‘the curse of Allah’ *(ﻪﻠﻠﻟﺍ ﺖﻨﻌﻟ )** on those who lie !’* (al-Imran :62)
So only in this situation, when the claimant of God is rejected outright and no further room is left for a meaningful dialogue and argumentation, then both the parties - those who believe in him and those who reject him - should invoke the curse of Allah on the willful liars.
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*1. Prophet Mohammed sent a letter to the king of Iran(persia)Kusru-pervez inviting him to Islam...... *
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On the same token, if u remember the battle of Uhud, Prophet SAW, while fighting with 4 different kuffaar, was injured at 4 different places. One kaafir injured his (saw) forhead, another broke Prophets SAW tooth, another injured his (saw) arm, and yet another injured his(saw) foot. The Prophet was in pain, bleeding all over, and at that time, in the middle of the battlefield, he lifted his hands, and counting each of those kuffaar on his fingers, announcing them by their names, he (saw) prayed to Allah SWT to destroy them. In return, Allah SWT sent Hazrat Jibraeel AS, who brought down verses from the Quran, the meaning of which is....You do not know these men...and u do not know what the future holds for them. Who knows what they will go on to do in the future, and who knows how they might benefit the cause for which u have been sent to earth. So do not make buddua for them.
At that, the Prophet SAW withdrew his buddua, and within 4 months of that battle, those 4 kuffar had accepted Islam, and had become close allys and confidants of the Prophet SAW.
You dont know what the future holds. Noone does except Allah SWT. The person who u punched in the parking lot yesterday could turn out to be the guy who interviews u for your dream job tomorrow. So be careful and control ur temper always. That IS the message of Islam....not a whim.
If the Prophet asked Allah to hurt someone who hurt his name than Why can't we?
The Prophet SAW made one buddua in his life, and u want to be the first one to follow that. And the Prophet SAW made a zillion nice duas for people. Why cant we follow that with the same zeal?
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…if shia imaams knew the future..why did they got killed? its just dastaans of these confused shias…they just cant get over al-byht … confuse is what confuse does and shias are best example!!!
then they bring confused and fabricated hadeeths to support them selves…what a rip off!!!