Khomeni's Declaration

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KHOMEINI’S DECLARATION

**“The Islamic and non-Islamic powers of the world will not admit our power till such time that we establish our hold over Makkah and Madinah because these are the centers and citadels of Islam. Hence our domination over these places Is an essential requirement … when as a conqueror I will enter Makkah and Madinah, the first thing to be done at that time by me would be to dig out two idols (Abu Bakr and Umar) lying by the side of the Prophet’s grave.” **

*(Ayatullah Khomeini of Iran, while addressing a message for a youth rally).

Khomeinism and Islam,

page 8 by Abu Rehan Farooqi *

This statement mirrors the attitude of hatred and contempt which Khomeini and his Shiahs cherish in particular for Ameerul Mu’mineen Sayyidina Abu Bakr and Ameerul Mu’mineen Sayyidina Umar (Radiallahu Anhuma), and about all the Sahabah (Radiallahu Anhum) in general. While this is the vile and abominable attitude of Khomeini towards the illustrious Sahabah (Radiallahu Anhum) of Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam), the Qur’an-e-Kareem states the attitude of Imaan in the following words:

"Muhammad is the Rasool of Allah, and those who are with him (i. e. the Sahabah) are stern against the kuffar and tender among themselves. You will see them (the Sahabah) in Ruku’ and Sajdah searching for the grace of Allah and (His) Pleasure. Their sign is on their faces because of the impression of (abundance of) Sajdah… " (Surah Fath).

Most certainly, Allah was well pleased with the Mu’mineen (i.e. the Sahabah) when they took the oath of allegiance to you (0 Muhammad!) under the tree… (Surah Fath)

"And the early ones, the first one among the Muhajireen and Ansar and those who follow them (the Muhajireen and Ansar) in virtue, Allah is well pleased with them and they are well pleased with Him. Allah has prepared for them gardens beneath which flow rivers; therein will they dwell forever. Indeed, that is the great victory. " (SurahTaubah)

This is what the Qur’an says regarding the Sahabah, but the Shiah priests brand the Muhajireen and Ansar as kafir, murtad and munafiq! Nauthubillah!

And, Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said about the Sahabah:

“Fear Allah! Fear Allah regarding my Sahabah. Thus, whoever loves them, does so because of my love; whoever hates them, does so because of my hatred.”

It is thus abundantly clear that Khomeini cherishes a dislike, an aversion, a hatred for the Sahabah because of his hatred for Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam). The closer a Sahaabi was to Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam), the viler the abuse and the greater the enmity the Shiahs demonstrate for him.

The noble Sahabah (Radiallahu Anhum) are the foundation and the pivots of Islam. The entire basis and superstructure of Islam have been magnificently raised on the teachings, explanations and expositions of the Sahabah (Radiallahu Anhum). The Qur’an Majeed itself has been authentically and authoritatively transmitted to the Ummah down the centuries in the form presented by the illustrious Sahabah - by Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthmaan (Radiallahu Anhum), the prime targets of Shi’i and Khomeini vituperation.

Astaqfirullah!!!

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----*High Priest-OF-Painful Truth*----

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now that khomeni is gone...and khatami (i think) is here, does he hold the same views as khomeni did??

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Can you tell us when was this declaration made? Was it before or after the revolution? From the caption it seems as if it was pre-revolution. At that time Khomeni, based in France, used to address rallies via audio tapes. Is this one of those?

Some time back in this forum, someone posted an article by Khomeni (post revolution) in which he had urged muslims to unite, against our common enemies i.e. the jews and the christians.

We have all been enlightened in this forum on the feelings most of the shias have about some of the sahaba.

However it is possible that their supreme leader changed his views (if at all these are correct and are faithfully reproduced here) in the post-revolution (post 1979) period.

Just an idea…

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Salaaam
nice to have you back watcher
Eid Mubarak

Yaar i had some questions for you in that post of yours about Abu Bakr mentioned in the Quran
if you could please answer them i have some doubts on what you said there
Thanks

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Pristine, I think you have to read the book I mentioned above to get the details.

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Insaniyat, sure. Questions? Questions about the verse I posted or questions about if he is mentioned or not?

oh, btw: I am not “officially” back yet.

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V~V~VHe came, He saw, He conqueredV~V~V**

----*High Priest-OF-Painful Truth*----

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Hey one more question:

Shia say they have 12 "Imaams" now 11 have passed away, who is leading them now?

Or are there sub-division within the Imaams..
Imaams and than sub-imaams and than sub-sub-imaams to lead the shias?

*V~V~V*He came, He saw, He conquered*V~V~V*

----*High Priest-OF-Painful Truth*----

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**“The Islamic and non-Islamic powers of the world will not admit our power till such time that we establish our hold over Makkah and Madinah because these are the centers and citadels of Islam. Hence our domination over these places Is an essential requirement … when as a conqueror I will enter Makkah and Madinah, the first thing to be done at that time by me would be to dig out two idols (Abu Bakr and Umar) lying by the side of the Prophet’s grave.” **

I dont find anything wrong with above Ayotollah Khomeini’s quote.

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What you babbling abt now watcher!!!

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Paglu, why don’t you answer the questions I asked. Instead picking fights, which only a typical shia would do.

If 11 Imaams are dead and 12th is in some cave, who is taking care of shias now? Did God abandon you guys or something?

No God did not abandon us Muslims, we have QURAN and SUNNAH to lead us.

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You take it easy sir… with truth.

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----*High Priest-OF-Painful Truth*----

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Our Imam Is the last Imam. (imam Mahdi remember) he is in ghaib and will come one day and put us all back on the proper faith!

And by the way scince when did abu bakar and Umer become syed?

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because the word sayadana is ONLY AND ONLY used for ahle-bayt!! (oh Now I get it because of aysha and hafsa Abu and umer also got an invitation into the ahle-bayt)

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** my best friend is he who critizes my faults**

Imam jaffar-Saddiq

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So, till when Imaam Mehndi comes, we are suppose to suffer and be abandoned by Allah? Well he is not coming, and he is not here. Does that mean we all Muslims are not on the right path? Does that mean Shias are not on the right path, and they are waiting for him to come and put them there?

IN that time wouldn't alots of people have gone in hell for wrong doing and NOT following the proper faith as you say?

*V~V~V*He came, He saw, He conquered*V~V~V*

----*High Priest-OF-Painful Truth*----

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My confused friend Watcher,

Sitting about idle is what wahabis like yourself are doing until the zahoor of the holy imam. You know, your wahabi friends like to cross the bridge from Saudi to Bahrain, womanize, drink, then come back in time for Magrib prayers.

Or sell heroin and beg for aid from the West like your mullahs of Taliban are doing.

Or burn and kill innocent people, like the wahabis of pakistan do when then decide to kill muslims in the holy month of Ramadan and Muharram in mosques during fajr prayers.

Or sit like chickens while the brave warriors of the ahl bait like the Hizbullahs liberate Lebanon for you and fight for Jerusalem.

Or make peace with the enemies of Islam and bring their soldiers into our holy land.

No brother, this is all what you sunnis and wahabis do.

Followers of the ahl-bait actively prepare for the coming of Imam Mahdi (as) by following the sunnah of the holy prophet (pbuh), induldging in Jihad, paying khums (which you sunnis don't pay - maybe because its too heavy on yr budgets) and zakat, remembering the teachings of the Qur'an, sunnah, and the words of our holy imams, and praying to be part of the Imam's army when he returns as willed by Allah (swt).

This is what we do.

What can we expect from you sunnis when you sat on yr fingers while your women and men got raped and plundered in Bosnia. No, remember then what Iran did to help them - smuggling warriors and weapons - to help the prophet's ummat.

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**Our Imam Is the last Imam. (imam Mahdi remember) he is in ghaib and will come one day and put us all back on the proper faith!
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I have heard this line SO many times…Will someone explain in detail… I am not shia or sunni…Just confused… Is there any relationship between Isa and Mahdi???..is Shia Imam Mahdi same as those sabz pagriwalay dudes’s Imam Mehdi???

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Posted by Watcher:
"The Islamic and non-Islamic powers of the world will not admit our power till such time that we establish our hold over Makkah and Madinah because these are the centers and citadels of Islam. Hence our domination over these places Is an essential requirement ... when as a conqueror I will enter Makkah and Madinah, the first thing to be done at that time by me would be to dig out two idols (Abu Bakr and Umar) lying by the side of the Prophet's grave."

(Ayatullah Khomeini of Iran, while addressing a message for a youth rally).

Reply:
Allah SWT kay bhee kaisay kaisay ehsanat hain Muslim Ummah par kay Mr. Khoemini apni khuahish ko amli jama pehnanay say pehlay Allah SWT say ja milay. I am sure Allah will take care of that wish up there. Although Mr. Khoemini was considered a scholar by Shi'ahs, I wonder if he ever came across the saying of Prophet SAW regarding the fitna of Dajjal, that Dajjal would conquer the whole world, but would be unable to get his hands on Mecca and Medina. That clearly shows no one can capture these two cities, the holiest of all places.

Posted by a1shah:

Or sell heroin and beg for aid from the West like your mullahs of Taliban are doing.

Reply:
Time for a current affairs update. The pic of Islam talibans are portraying is not the true color of Islam.

There is no compulsion in religion."[2:256]

It's just their way of applicating Islam in their daily life which is not appreciable, cuz Islam is not spread on the tip of the sword. Yes there were ghazwats with Mushrikeens, but among Muslims, Islam was spread by learning and applying only.

However, their aqeedah (beliefs) are not wrong.

Complain about Talibans all you want. I don't see them responding to a different Azan from the one in Kaa'baa. I don't hear them reciting a kalima different from the one being recited in Kaa'ba. I don't see them prostrating on a piece of clay from anywhere. I don't hear them cursing Sahabas, sahabiyats, or Umhatul Momineens. I don't hear them twisting the ayahs of Quran.

Posted by a1shah:

---------------------------------------------Or sit like chickens while the brave warriors of the ahl bait like the Hizbullahs liberate Lebanon for you and fight for Jerusalem.

Reply:
On a universal basis, among all muslim Ummah, the work of Hamas is more credible and widely looked upon with respect, than that of Hizbullah's. The struggle in Palestine is going on even as we speak, and no one, I repeat no one is contributing to the cause, other than the brave men and women of Hamas, who operate only and only on the help of Allah and their level of taqwa.

And one more thing, just because Hizbullah, are shi'ahs, that automatically places them in the ahl-al bayt category? It's funny how every ordinary shi'ah is member of ahl al-bayt only becaus he/she is shi'ah, but the wives are deprived of that title by followers of fiqah e jafariya? Is that why you are defending Hizbullah? I have never witnessed any Shi'ah contributing to the Jihad that was going on in Afghanistan, or Kashmir? What about Chechniya? Hizbullah only fought for their land Lebanon, that's it. If according to you, they are fighting for Islam, why don't they set their foots in Kashmir, Chechniya, or Afghanistan?

Posted by a1shah:

Or make peace with the enemies of Islam and bring their soldiers into our holy land.

Reply:
Would u care to tell us, exactly which land you are refering to here as "holy land." If you are indicating towards Saudi Arabia, then your agreeing with Mr. Khoemini's above statement comes across as nothing but a confused mumbo jumbo of words.

You have so many complaints against Sunnis/Wahabis because u r not fully aware of their worldly as well as religious contributions, due to the fact, that all Sunnis/Wahabis who work for the welfare of Muslim Ummah's state and humanity in general, do so only for the content of Allah, and no one else. That is why they choose to work behind the curtains, and don't make a public display out of their contributions. And those like Edhi and Osama Bin Laden, who are figures with global stardom, never came out patting themselves on the back. It's their fellow muslims who gave away Edhi's & Osama's secrets. Allah jis ko chahay Izzat day.

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Ha Ha Ha ---- You have the Quran and Sunnah do you???? So who implements your Quran and Sunnah because your corrupt Khilafat was destroyed under the Turkish Khilafat by Mr Kamal Atta Turk in 1921 "defeat of German Axis powers alliance".
Since the time of the death of the profit Muhammed pbuh your sect, elected their own leader and then slected another until Khilafat became a pass me down crown for corrupt kings. " Hence the deacay of a perfect Quranic system emplemented by far from perfect men acting as kings "

Kashhh the perfect Quran was implemented by the perfect imams the true sipirtual gardians from the Ahl-lul-bait. Such imams as Imam Jaffer as Sadiq our sixth imam the teacher of your imam abu hanifa.
--------- Yet you ask us the question as to who leads our ummah? Off course imam Mehdi does. Out system is the divine system of Wilayat as instructed by god via following of imams through the ah-lul-bait seal of the profit Muhammad (peace be upon him). Your system is the democracy mocracy of electing and selecting Caliphs by anyone who is influential at that time.
Our final imam before he went into occultation chose four Safirs to teach and guide the ummah and establish a following to the pious scholers called Mujtahids Muttalaq (Ayatolla Marajai) such as Ayatolla Baheshti, Ayatolla Khoe, Ayatolla Khomieni may allah reward them.
It is through the following of these Ayatollah that we follow the Wilayat of Imam Mahdi under the post of -----( WALAYAT-TUL-FAQI )----- which is the Niab or representative of the Mahdi pbuh - The cuurent Naib as chosen by Ayatolla Khomeini is Ayatollah Khamanai the current WILAYA-TUL-FAQI not!!! the president of Iran Khatami who is there to run the machinery of the state of Iran and protect it's borders from tyrants like that joker Mr Saddame-bin-Yazid.
WALAYA-TUL-FAQI Ayatollah Khamai is the highest authority in leadership to shia serve imam-e-zamana. He guides us as well as those duties which the marjai guide us in. The marjai also Ayatollah guide us as to fatwas and ruling for Nimaz, Zakat, Khumas, Hajj and accept WALAY-TUL-FAQI as the central post of leadership.
The job of guiding political system issues not covered by Marja is the job " I again repeat " of WILAYAT-TUL-FAQI.
TAQLEED of Marjai is like your following one of your mujtahids, difference with us Shia is that we can only ask for ruling on Nimaz and family judgments from a living mujtahid or what we call marjai as every time changes and every new political developement requires a current fatwa, such as the case of that muppet Rushdie. But as far as a system of Khalifat goes we follow WILAYA-TUL-FAQI Ayatollah Khamanai until the return of our imam maehi pbuh who will implement Quran and sunnah completely.

This system implements the Quaran and sunnah on all shia society where ever they are. Iran looks like a distinct society because it is the only state where shia are in majority and have attempted to implement Quran Sunnah within the complete system in every department of the political state. But that is not to say that other shia communities have not done the same. Take Lebenon the Hezbollah have had effecive guidance from the leadership giving them victory.
Anyway --- may allah guide us all to follow the system of Wilayat under the imams of the ahlul-bait and follow imam mehdi and support our system of WILAT-TUL-FAQI.

Slams to all our ummah which ever sect they come from. And lets pray for the brothers in Chechenyia.

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Rarediamond;

before we continue our regular discussions, I would like to suggest that you improve your comprehension of the english language.

Maybe its your arabic upbringing - you know, foreigners usually have trouble with english. I have a few Chinese friends. Can’t speak diddly - I’m sure you would both get along.

Now to clarify - Hizbollah I am pretty certain I said are “FOLLOWERS” of the ahl-bait and not “AHL-BAIT” themselves.

As for the wives of the holy apostle, most of them were virtuous women and followers of the holy ahl-bait. The only ones who were not were Hafsa and yr favourite, Aisha, the one who fell in camel dung during the battle of Jamal. Being yr role model, I wouldn’t want to know what u do in yr past time.

And yeah right - Osama is a great role model - blowing up innocent people and all - exactly what yr sham companions like Muawayah and Umar taught you sunnis to do. Good job.

Yeah, and I and everyone can see Allah (swt)'s blessing in the poppy infested country of Afganistan. Must be irritating that Shias had to be the ones to liberate Lebanon while yr sunnis were sitting like cowards in the north.

Good one Rarediamond, thanks for the laugh.

The only thing rare about you is yr personality

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Abbas001…Another nick…

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Any intelligent and logical shia to debate here or just the likes of Alshah001 with multiple names desprate to agree with themselves?

I guess not...a group(shia) whos leaders are soo cruel and unthinking, I can't expect anything better from their followers.

Take it easy.

*V~V~V*He came, He saw, He conquered*V~V~V*

----*High Priest-OF-Painful Truth*----

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Degas and watcher another illiterate comment without any proof or references, can't u ppl come up iwht goood references before coming up wiht the crap. U know u can't accuse a person until and unless u saw him doing some acts with ur eyes or have some adil gawas, and how do u know they r one person with different nicks,

Nice excuse from accepting the truth, the important thing is the matter Abbass presented, who cares what nick he is.

u ppl just have some messed up logics, and beliefs, we have proved so many of the stuff from ur so called authentic books to disagree with ur belieefs and u just keep coming up with other issues.

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Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!! I see desperation in you and your insaniyat! So, have you seen sahaba doing traitor like acts when you accuse them of being traitors? Were you in their brains when they did that? HUH? Before you preach something, make sure your practicing it first!

YOu come here and tell us that “oh its not right to accuse something who we don’t know” but what about you when you accuse and defame the noble sahaba who were the closest person to MOhammad and people who gave us Islam, how can you accuse them when they exist 1400 years ago?

I am right, thing called logic DOES NOT EXIST IN mind which is full of lies, and ideas to mock Islam.

You want the references to the post I posted? First I thought, you were blind by head, now I think your blind from eyes too. Here did you read very first part of my post? Here let me help your poor soul!!!

This is the reference to the comment I posted(in bold print is the name of the book!:

"(Ayatullah Khomeini of Iran, while addressing a message for a youth rally).

**Khomeinism and Islam,

page 8 by Abu Rehan Farooqi**"

Alshah is right, a mule would understand a you shias better, than me a human.

oopps, i have annoyed the donkey again

Take it easy my dear friend, sir!

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u find nothing wrong with digging two people out of their graves?

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