I have come across some books written by allama Khomaini..
The leader of the Iranian revolution, Allama Khomeini writes:
‘Every prophet came to establish justice on Earth. His aim was also to establish justice but he was not successful. The same is the position of the Seal of the Prophets who came to reform human society and establish justice but failed during his lifetime.’ (Ittihad wa-yak-jihati:15)
Can any Shia explain what is the meaning of this?
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I have come across some books written by allama Khomaini..
The leader of the Iranian revolution, Allama Khomeini writes:
'Every prophet came to establish justice on Earth. His aim was also to establish justice but he was not successful. The same is the position of the Seal of the Prophets who came to reform human society and establish justice but failed during his lifetime.' (Ittihad wa-yak-jihati:15)
Can any Shia explain what is the meaning of this?
First of all, the very first statement of yours sound fishy, you should have rather stated: "I have read on some anti-Shia websites that...." because all you have been doing here uptil now has been simple copy paste and you have yourself never bothered to conduct your own research.
Coming to the reference itself, firstly I myself not have read the book, but assuming the reference to be true, let me say that I do not find anything in this objectionable. Since you have requested 'Shia explaination' for this first time ever, then let me tell you that the author is trying to say that the ultimate aim of every Prophet is to spread justice on earth while no prophet uptil now has ever been able to do it because of the deviated people who kept hurting and subsiquently killing the [majority of the ]prophets. Thus, as per Shia and Sunni [not Nasibi] understanding, this will not be the case and earth will not see Qayamat unless Allah [swt] shows his power and preveail His rule, i.e. the rule of justice, across the globe.
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What ALIJAN1001 has posted is absolutely correct. Its not one of those random references, if Shias want they can ACTUALLY look it up. Unlike the references some people on this forum throw, which when checked up upon, are totally different.
Anyways, this reference from Ayatollah Khomeni's book was placed into debate in cape town South Africa between a Shafi'ee Scholar and A Shiaee Scholar. The debate lasted for hours, and the Shia scholar till the end did not accept this to be wrong.
How can we believe in the message of Allah swt, the Quran, and the Prophet pbuh's Sunnah, and then accept that he failed in delivering the message. Naouzubillah.
The Ahle-Sunnah Wal Jammah, believe his message reformed the region, brought justice, established Islam (the affects of which are apparent in the years to come after his death and up till NOW), and fulfilled his mission.
Our beloved Nabi s.a.w was successful, his message was successful, his progeny is respected by all of the members of Ahle-Sunnah Wal Jammah, up till today, the khutbas resonate the names of Fatima r.a., Ali r.a., Hassan and Husayn R.A.. We do not look down upon anyone, neither do we give lanat to someone the Prophet pbuh never gave lanat too.
The validity of this message was clear, the mission was a success. He did not fail, he succeeded.
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Bismillah hir Rahmanir Raheem.
[Nasr 110:1] When the help and victory of Allah come,
[Nasr 110:2] And you see people entering the religion of Allah in multitudes,
[Nasr 110:3] Then proclaim the Purity of your Lord while praising Him, and seek forgiveness from Him; indeed He is the Most Acceptor of Repentance.
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May Allah have mercy on us.
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'Every prophet came to establish justice on Earth. His aim was also to establish justice but he was not successful. The same is the position of the Seal of the Prophets who came to reform human society and establish justice but failed during his lifetime.' (Ittihad wa-yak-jihati:15)
This statement can be better phrased as this:
'Every prophet came to establish justice on Earth. His aim was also to establish justice with his own people but he was not successful, due to the followers. The same is the position of the Seal of the Prophets who came to reform human society and establish justice on the entire Earth but could not achieve this during his lifetime, hence provided the mechanism of shari'ah whereby this can be done.' (Ittihad wa-yak-jihati:15)
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^ well done psyah, I believe that approximates the intent and appropriate phrasing of what Khomaini meant to say.
btw ALIJAN, a request is to avoid copy pasting text without reference to the source. the exact same post is posted elsewhere.
“I have come across some books written by allama Khomaini..” - Google Search](Google Search)
This constitutes plagiarism unless you are the source of the question. If that is the case please clarify. Otherwise, ideally you would have posted in your own words.
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Syed Khomeinis work is open to be looked at critically. no harm in that whatsoever. however i wudnt take the translation provided by highly biased and lying sources.
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you are going against saying of muslims be loved prophet pbuh in last sermon what he pbuh says i have delevered what i pbuh got from allah. and also witnessed allah ummah etc. this is authentic saying of khomini which is totally against saying of prophet pbuh and teaching of islam.
if you remember one irani engeener was killed who said that every prophet as failed to perform there duties and khomini perform duties of prophets as.
want to know more terrifying beliefs of this lyer khomini visit.
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HeyALIJAN1001, althugh you have been given replies here by other people also, let me just share and seek your explanation to the following:
We read in Deobandi/Hanafi’s authentic work Dur al-Mukhtar, Volume 1 page 57:
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أنه قال (لو كان في أمة موسى وعيسى مثل أبي حنيفة لما تهودوا ولما تنصرا)۔ [/RIGHT]
'Had the nations of Musa and Isa possessed a scholar like that of Abu Hanifa, they would have not remained Jews and Christians’
Let me know whether prophets like Musa and Isa [as] failed in their mission according to this belief of your or not?
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Nobody is saying that Prophet [s] did not deliver what he was sent by Allah [swt]. It is just the literal approach and the narrow mindedness of Nawasib that tends to find faults in Shia literature without using their Aql.
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Can you apply your Aql to this quote? If your own scholars have applied their Aqls to this quote, I dont know how the general Shia masses can apply any Aql to this.
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Can you apply your Aql to this quote? If your own scholars have applied their Aqls to this quote, I dont know how the general Shia masses can apply any Aql to this.
just like irani engeener who said such thing about l
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Can you apply your Aql to this quote? If your own scholars have applied their Aqls to this quote, I dont know how the general Shia masses can apply any Aql to this.
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just like irani engeener who said such thing about l
"Engeeener" will ceom afterwords you are still required to comment on your belief cited above, and for your easiness letme re cite it along with some formatting making it well visible:
We read in Deobandi/Hanafi’s authentic work Dur al-Mukhtar, Volume 1 page 57:
[RIGHT]أنه قال (لو كان في أمة موسى وعيسى مثل أبي حنيفة لما تهودوا ولما تنصرا)۔ [/RIGHT]
'Had the nations of Musa and Isa possessed a scholar like that of Abu Hanifa, they would have not remained Jews and Christians’
So according to your belief, just because Prophets Musa and Isa did not have expertise like those of Abu Hainfa, the nations of the respective prophets did not came on the right path.
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Peace All
To clarify ... There are two aspects to the message of Islam. The principles which are all complete at the hands of Muhammad (SAW), and the implementation which will only be complete when the whole world is under the auspices of shari'ah - which is when Imam Mahdi (AS) will come.
It was wrong to say or translate to say that Muhammad (SAW) 'failed' it is not his position to fail. Rather he (SAW) had aspirations which were beyond his mission. His mission being complete yet his aspirations were not all met. He left legacies for such aspirations to be picked up by the Sahabah and those who follow them to be fulfilled.
Each prophet (AS) completed his mission which was by spreading the message, but some followers were good and others were not so good. The best followers are from the Ummah of Muhammad (SAW) ... the success of Islam today is a result of Muhammad (SAW)'s character and his companions (RA) understanding.
Perhaps this is what Khomeini meant to say, but either he said it in a bad way or the translation of what he said was in a bad way ... it lead to the misunderstanding of that engineer that is being talked about.
Remember misunderstandings can happen two ways ... the supporters and the opponents of someone can both misunderstand him. Now let this conversation rest.
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I have not read many books about Imam Khomeini............but it was one of Imam Khomeini's Fatwas that impressed me the most..........
I beleive He was the first Shia Imam who declared.........***that Shias can pray behind Sunni Imams!
Our Shia brothers can confirm that...........
That did more for Shia Sunni Unity..........May Allah Bless Him.........
but it seems the road to Unity is littered with Hate.............:(
May Allah Guide us All!
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HeyALIJAN1001, althugh you have been given replies here by other people also, let me just share and seek your explanation to the following:
We read in Deobandi/Hanafi’s authentic work Dur al-Mukhtar, Volume 1 page 57:
[RIGHT]أنه قال (لو كان في أمة موسى وعيسى مثل أبي حنيفة لما تهودوا ولما تنصرا)۔ [/RIGHT] 'Had the nations of Musa and Isa possessed a scholar like that of Abu Hanifa, they would have not remained Jews and Christians’
Let me know whether prophets like Musa and Isa [as] failed in their mission according to this belief of your or not?
wroing interpretation, since a authentic hadith exist which means that ulma of my ummah is like prophets as of bani israel, since there are no prophet as after me.
where did they said that prophet musa as and isa as was failed to perform their duty.
even last sermon of holy prophet pbuh clearly witnessed ummah that i pbuh have deleivered what i got from allah nothing hide and not add any thing.
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wroing interpretation, since a authentic hadith exist which means that ulma of my ummah is like prophets as of bani israel, since there are no prophet as after me.
where did they said that prophet musa as and isa as was failed to perform their duty.
even last sermon of holy prophet pbuh clearly witnessed ummah that i pbuh have deleivered what i got from allah nothing hide and not add any thing.
If Abu Hainfa could have showed the nations of Prophets Musa and Isa the right path so that no one of them remained Jew or Christian, that obviously mean that Prophets Musa and Isa were unable to show the right path to each individual of their respective nations.
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Peace Alijan1001 and Boy-nice
All these accusations are pointless and baseless.
It is not the task of a prophet to make everyone Muslim, there are distinct roles and responsibilities for prophets and distinct roles and responsbilities of their followers.
We are but to portray the message and let others decide. The portrayal of Muhammad (SAW) is still in effect today and is spreading. We cannot take the credit for that. We owe it to our predecessors and in turn theirs and in turn theirs for where we are today. Of course this goes back to Muhammad (SAW). We are his legacy!
In the time when the whole world will be filled with justice it may happen at the hands of Isa (AS) but it would not happen if it were not for the life of Muhammad (SAW) who lived many years ago, it will happen in the future because of the legacy of Muhammad (SAW) from days gone by.
Trajectory is something to consider. If you put enough spin and angle and power into a shot say football, basketball, snooker, etc you know even before the ball goes in that you have the point. This is what I mean by the legacy of Muhammad (SAW) because of the momentum he (SAW) has given us it means that one day from his ummah the world will be filled with justice the only thing is that he (SAW) would have lived his life and died before this would happen.
In light of this please don't accuse Khomeini for saying what he said, because the translation could be wrong but at the same time don't justify a mistranslation by Khomeini or his lack of articulation by using a statement from another person to make it seem like a scholar is in any way better than a prophet.
These are both wrong ... why can't we respect each other and try to make excuses for one another and try to understand where each other comes from without causing arguments?
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Prophets message was complete and perfect as the verse of perfection confirms.... unfortntly tho evil forces continue to rule and oppress......all the religious scriptures were altered except the holy Quran but its interpretion is wht they play arnd with now..... tht is why we wait for Al Mahdi and Isa alaihaysalam who will upon returning ensure tht the humanity sees the implementation of the divine laws at last and see the peak of times. Allahu Alam
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Moderator of this Forum ( Psyah ) took the middle lane, and his/her efforts to diffuse the rage is really commendable.