Khazana Choor And Liar, Ishaq Daar lies about economy presented at GEO

My purpose of this post is to show that how big liars and crooks Pakistan have voted in and when Khazana of Pakistan get looted again, obviously these liars would give a story as they are giving today, but we should know their characters and that how these crooks twist the truth and lie, so that they can steal Pakistan and still could make fool of Pakistanis. It is nothing to do with economics or politics, but credibility to rule and liars have no credibility.

Today this liar (Ishaq Daar) has given a preview of Pakistan economical situation but throughout he was lying and was wrongly interpretation figures to misguide people. I would have had respect of him if he had not lied or had not tried to misguide Pakistanis who are mostly economical ignorant. But when this crook tries to misguide people and lies blatantly, it is really disgusting and shameful. For those who saw his talk on GEO with Sherry Rahman, I am going through it so that people can also see how big this liar is.

From his own graphs and figures that he presented on GEO (I am not putting those graphs but those who watched the program must have seen it … well, program could get repeated too and graphs might come in newspapers too):

For information: He was lying to misguide people throughout the program but his biggest lies for purpose to misguide masses were on Pakistan debts, Inflations, dollar Reserves, and well, on everything.

Monetary growth: ( 9 years from 1990 to 1999) … Monetary growth was 28 percent max (91-92) and 14 percent minimum (96-97) except 98-99: Overall average increase was around 20 percent (one can see his own graph he presented on TV and calculate)

Since 1999 … 9.3 percent minimum and 19.5 percent maximum, Average around 15 percent. But Monetary growth has two components and one is due to real growth in economy. If growth rate is high, monetary growth would be high, else it creates mostly inflation. Pre 1999, even though monetary growth averaged 20 percent real growth was low (averaged around 3 percent). Whereas after 1999, though monetary growth was 15 percent, a big component was real growth (averaged around 7 percent). But this liar still tried to tell the public that monetary growth was bad during last 9 years and that is why inflation was high (though his own graphs shows that inflation was much lower than corrupt periods of 1988-1999). Thus it shows, how retarded and liar this choor is.

CPI inflation: When the graph was shown he got nervous but still kept bull****ting. Throughout on graph, the inflation during pre Musharraf period was showing high. Actually, from 1990-1996, there was not a single year when inflation was below 10 percent and was hovering near to 12 percent (varying between 10 percent to 14 percent) … Only in 97-98 (7.8 percent) and 98-99 (5.7 percent) inflation was below 10 percent, while during Musharraf 8 years period (1999-2007), inflation was below 5 percent for 5 years (1999-2004 … out of that, 3 years, inflation was around 3.5 percent, one year it was 3.1 percent) and was around 8 percent rest of the years (though it is projected that in 2007-08, inflation might be 10 percent .. could be lower … but again blame cannot go to previous govt).

But this crook Daar showed the grapth still to make fool of masses, he said that in 1998-99 inflation was 5.7 percent (lowest figure between 1990-1999) but gone up from there to 10 percent, but skipped the obvious that inflation was 3.1 percent in 2002-03 and that on average over last 9 years (even if inflation for this year would be 10 percent), average inflation is still less than 5.5 percent … while during 1990-1999, average inflation was over 10 percent. [Though throughout he was giving embarrassing laugh knowing that he was lying and trying to make fool of masses]

As for CPI food inflation, this liar was most embarrassing (not really, that would come when he tells of total debt): From 1990-1997, for 7 years, his graphs shows that food inflation was never below 10.5 percent, hovered from 11 percent to 18 percent and averaged around 12 percent. Well, in 97-98 it was 7.7 percent and during 98-99 it was 5.9 percent. But when Musharraf came, the figure went too low as it was below 2.8 percent throughout from 99-2003 (4 years). It went up but still it was 5 percent in 2003-04 and 6.5 percent in 2005-06. It went up above 10 percent in two years, 2004-05 (12.5 percent) and 2006-07 (10.3 percent). But this crook and bae-sharaam Daar started comparing 1999-2000 figures (that was first year of Mush govt) of 2.2 percent with his projected figure of 14 percent for year 2007-2008 … what a retard.

Foreign exchange reserve: He had nothing to say when he showed that Pakistan has almost no reserve (always between 1 to 2 billion dollars at most) before Musharraf and now gone to 16 billion dollars, though to downgrade the phenomenon he came to a conclusion that debt has increased and that is why reserve is so high plus many other bull-****s like kerb buying of dollars and remittance without telling that in past dollars in kerb and due to remittance were same as today but it was he and his corrupt colleagues who use to buy from kerb to send their own corrupt money abroad. He obviously skipped mentioning that even before 9/11, reserves was 3.8 billion and it was highest ever in Pak history.

Worst of this khazana choor liar came when he tried to explain debt. His graph showed that in 1980, Pakistan total debt (rupee and dollars in rupee) was Rs 156 billion. In 1990, that debt went up to Rs 801 billion. Note, that in 1990, total debt was around 4 times more than 1980. BY 1999, this debt went up to Rs 2946 billion and that is an increase from 801 billion in 9 years or around 3.7 times. Now since 1999 to year 2007, the debt went to Rs 4810 billion and it is expected projection that debt might reach Rs 5695 billion by end of 2008.

So, in 8 years … to 2007 debt increased by only 63 percent … or even if projected figure is taken than also debt may increase to Rs 5695 billion or 93 percent. Now this Khazana choor started BS to the people that this debt is a big increase as it increased by 2749 billion in last 9 years, that is almost as big a debt as it was in 1999.

Now anyone other than complete idiot would know that those Rs2946 billion debts these Khazana choor crooks left in 1999 was not interest free and thus Pakistan was paying interest on that debt. Every idiot in Pakistan knows that if one even invest Rs 2946 (give loan to government buying defence saying certificate) than after 9 years, that Rs2946 would become Rs 10000 plus. Or if government borrows Rs 2946 than they pay interest on that enough that it becomes 3 to 4 times after 10 years … or at least 3.5 times after 9 years. For government, increase due to interest is a bit less or at least 2.5 times in 9 years. That means, if Pakistan government (under these crooks by 1999) had borrowed Rs 2946 billion than even if Musharraf government had not taken any extra loan, still that Rs 2946 billion would have increased to over Rs 7500 billion in 9 years, not Rs 5695 billion, present debt Pakistan has.

One can see that in 1990 when debt was Rs 801 billion, it increased to Rs 2956 billion by 1999. Well, one can say that Rs 801 billion if increased by 2.5 times because of interest in 9 years, then that must have increased to Rs 2000 billion, and rest, that is 946 billion was borrowed by these corrupts on top of whatever government paid interest on inherited debt. But in last 9 years, if Musharraf government had borrowed on top of interest then debt should have been over Rs 7500 billion. When it is not Rs7500 billion but it is Rs 4810 billion (by end of June 2007), one have to realise that this Choor-e-Khazana Ishaq Daar lied when he said that Musharraf government borrowed. It is pathetic that such a big liar and crook this man (Daar) is and how he lies to misguide people that past government was borrowing

To misguide the people Darr kept repeating that Pakistan’s total debt (rupee and dollars combined) increased almost as much during last 8 years (well, it increased 63 percent from 1999 to 2007) as what Pakistan took during first 42 years from 1947 to 1999. It means that this retarded Daar considers that Pakistanis are complete idiots and he is ‘andhu may kana raja’. Does he really think that Pakistanis do not know that if one borrows 100,000 rupee than it would become 200,000 rupee just because of interest in 5 years even if they do not borrow more? Whereas if one borrows 500,000 rupee than it would increase not by 100,000 but 500,000 in same time? So when one looks at money one see percentage increase as money (debt, economy, income, prices, investments, etc) increases in percentages.

If Pakistan GDP was around 5 billion dollars in 1947, was 60 billion dollars in 1999 and today it is 150 billion dollars, then one cannot say that Pakistan GDP increased almost twice as much (90 billion dollars) in last 8 years than what it increased in first 42 years (55 billion dollars), as increase in GDP is worked out in percentage and that means GDP increased by around 150 percent during last 8 years, that is all. If Pakistan GDP ever reaches 10000 billion dollars than an increase of 300 billion dollars in one year (3 percent) would be considered as bad performance while today it is considered as excellent performance even if Pakistan GDP increases by 150 billion dollars in 10 years, because 150 billion dollars is 100 percent over 150 billion dollars economy of today, whereas 300 billion dollars would be only 3 percent if economy was 10,000 billion dollars.

Only crook and dhokay baaz like Ishaq Daar can use this type of explanations that debt increased as much during 8 years what it increased during first 42 years of Pakistan history, without taking into account interest on past debt, just to fool and misguide the people, as people like Ishaq Daar are habitual liars, untrustworthy and dhokay baaz.

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One main thing, he admitted that the GDP growth rate would be 6% this year(target was 7.2%). If the ecnomoic conditions are so much worse as he depicted how could one achieve 6% rate then? It should have been lowe then 3 or something.

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^^ I don’t think you have to economic genius to know whats going on in the country. Just go out on a street and ask people if their economic situation is better today then it was 8 years ago.

Aziz govt overspent Rs558bn, fudged figures: Dar
Macro-economic projections revised downward

By Mehtab Haider

ISLAMABAD: Holding the Shaukat Aziz government responsible for “figure fudging” and creating mess on the economic front, Finance Minister Ishaq Dar said that all findings would be tabled before parliament for action against those who violated their own Fiscal Responsibility Law.

The economic situation is so alarming that the government had to revise downward all macro-economic projections including GDP growth target from 7.2 per cent to six per cent, fiscal deficit target surged from 4.5 per cent of GDP to over six per cent, FBR target from Rs1025 billion to Rs990 billion, inflation going up from six per cent to 10 per cent, current account deficit up from 5.5 per cent to 10 per cent of GDP, possibility of raising basis points on Pakistan’s issued bonds from 200 points to 600 basis points over LIBOR (London Inter-Bank Offering Rates) by June 30, 2008.

“The mismanagement of economy has resulted in overspending of Rs558 billion and if the government does not take corrective measures then fiscal deficit will touch 9.5 per cent of GDP by June 2008.”

Ishaq Dar presented these startling and disturbing figures about Pakistan’s economy at a press conference along with Information Minister Sherry Rehman here at the PM Secretariat on Wednesday.

He said that these figures would be presented before parliament, the National Assembly Standing Committee on Finance and the Public Accounts Committee for scrutiny of the facts where Shaukat Aziz and his entire team would be asked to explain this sad state of economy.

He said the caretaker government was also responsible for this mess, as they too took no step to control the situation. Instead, they hiked POL prices and power tariff. He also said that over 73.6 per cent population lived below poverty line, according to two dollar a day definition.

Flanked by Special Finance Secretary Dr Ashfaque Hassan Khan, Secretary Finance Dr Waqar Masood and Chairman FBR Abdullah Yousaf, Ishaq Dar said the government would take tough measures to put the economy back on the right track by rationalising the POL prices, focusing on agriculture and manufacturing sectors and tackling energy crisis through conservation for achieving the desired results.

To improve the economic situation, he said, the government would generate $2.5 billion from foreign inflows, reducing expenditure and by mobilising revenue generation from various avenues to revive the derailed economy.

The public debt, he said, touched new height during the last eight years. It rose to Rs 2946 billion from 1947 to 1999, but climbed to Rs5695 billion by June 2008, showing an increase of Rs2749 billion in the last eight years. “Those who claim to have broken the begging bowl have actually enlarged it,” Ishaq Dar observed.

He said external debt has climbed to $42.5 billion from $37.5 billion in 1999 despite receiving significant inflows. He also said the credit rating of the country could also be downgraded.He said the growth in money supply (M2) is fuelling inflationary pressure as it is projected to grow by 19% till June 2008, resulting into CPI inflation exceeding 10% and food inflation 14%.

The money in circulation was Rs643 billion in 1999, which grew to Rs4065 billion by June 2007. It is projected that the money circulation will reach Rs4837 billion by June 2008. Answering a question about the strategy to reduce the fiscal deficit to 6per cent of GDP, he said that the decision on imposition of new taxes could be taken in the budget on the basis of progressive taxation. However, he said the POL prices could be rationalized and the cabinet would take a decision in this regard.

To another question about the officials who were part of the team of the previous regime and are still sitting with him, he said that the standing committees of the National Assembly, the Senate and the Public Accounts Committee have the right to summon any one to question about these figures.

He also outlined the coalition government’s strategy to revive the economy, saying that the government would focus on hitherto neglected agriculture and manufacturing sectors in the months ahead.

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I am a common man too and I live here. Definetly I am better off today. I was jobless during 1998-1999. I am getting more rupees in terms of salary today. However my real income is reducing due to inceasing inflation.

Lets see what are they going to do about this.

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All the governments in this country have so far failed to control inflation. One of the major slogans of the 1977 PNA movement was to bring back prices to 1970 level!

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Exactly!

Ishaq Dar left us with just 3% GDP growth in 1999, and he is inheriting an economy growing at double that rate now. I think the title of this thread aptly sums up the politically biased drivel he came up with yesterday.

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I was Surprised too! but the real picture suggests that it is less to do with the govt. and more with th international situation ( both Inflation and growth in GDP).

9/11 have turned GCC money towards South Asia, if republicans win in US election, then the situation will get better for South Asia otherwise, Obama or Hilarry may win back the confidence of Arabs who want to invest in US but scared. Current US recessiona and booming ecoomy if China is another external element.

Other than this, Pakistan's economy is turning into a consumer economy, which sometime is good, depending on the buying power and the balance of manufacturing/Industrial sector, the increase in Salaries has directly effected the prices, although it have created more jobs, and continue to do so if the govt. can control the current political instability.

Pakistan's real GDP growth depends alot on some mega projects, Like Gas Pipe line, Oil Refienery in Balochistan, Operations at Gawadar Port and cheap electricity ( free from the effect of oil & gas prices) from Centrel Asia.

Again, this is behti ganga maiN hath dhona kind of situation, All Mush & his fellow crooks have done is just stayed there and hitted the right ball. This is exactly what current govt. have to do.

Last but not least, Expat. Pakistanies have contributed alot in the current development, it is not only the remittance to Pakistan, but their direct involvement in small to mid level projects, again they are very much discouraged by the govt. "incentives" which is mainly for the "Crocodiles". if This govt' can give them few incentives ( like tax holidays etc) along with cheap electricity then... GDP can touch double figures in coming years. Otherwise the bubble will burst and ....

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Asiai batain na karen. Divine light bhai aapki class laylay gay!

P.S You are right.

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this ishaq dar guy seems like one of those 12 year old students following nawaz shirifs economics.
someone please send this fool reports from goldman sachs, merril lynch, jp morgan, world bank, morgan stanley and others about pakistans economy what just reflects what the old gov said.

and you dnt need to be a dimwit either a blind man can see a changed pakistan in the last 8 years where the economy was flying high and went throught a revolution.

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If Ishaq Dar's information and interpretation is wrong then I believe it is Aziz and his company's responsibility to come clean on media and clarify/negate what Ishaq said. If they keep quite about this then it would only be taken as "I accept".

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^^ sorry i though it was aitzaz not aziz ;) , yes they should come clean, even to defend these lies from mr dar.

however these white lies will provide him/and team mates to plunder whats in the reserves of PAkistan. which he categorically ignored to mention.

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they are not jahil animals and im sure we dnt want a zoo like situation what the shirifs are trying to make.
the discusting thing is that this new finance minister has not said a single thing about what he wants to do about the economy or has not uttered a word about nawa shirifs promises of halfing prices but instead has started the blame game, nawa shirif style.

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I thought Shaukat Aziz was a finance guy.

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I do not know what explanation and clarification one needs? We are discussing the graphs that Daar showed related to past 20 years of Pakistan economical performance, and then did all sort of BS when explaining those graphs (graphs that he himself was showing), lying at every point and making ridicules claims that only complete ignorant or habitual liar of high quality could make.

Problem is not that Shaukat Aziz comes to explain those graphs but problem is that either Pakistanis are so ignorant and uneducated that they are incapable of understanding graphs and figures those graphs represents, something that a 10 year old kid should know, or that Pakistanis are so blind and mentally retarded that they could not see the obvious on the graphs and thus get fooled by a lair like Daar just because they are complete idiots.

Well, if Shaukat Aziz would come, he can say that graphs Daar showed was right or wrong, but how can anyone defend that Bull is not Cow but Bull, when people are looking at Bull and still accepting it as Cow because a habitual liar like Daar is telling them that Bull is actually Cow, and that 'X' of Bull is actually 'Y' of Cow, so suck that and drink milk.

Actually what Daar was doing was that showing graphs and at the same time telling people that Rs 1000 is less than Rs 100, debt has no interest, 20 percent inflation is less than 5 percent inflation, 8 percent GDP growth is lower than 3 percent GDP growth, if a person earns Rs 20000 and can afford motorcycle than he is poor than the person who has no job and could not even afford bus fair, Pakistan could not afford import still dollar reserve could go up, and all this sort of Bull-Sh***ts.

It is just like I write something in English, use English words, English grammar, and English scripts, but claim that what I am writing is Urdu and some ignorant starts accepting that it is Urdu. Now, other than educating people that what I am writing is English and not Urdu, what to defend here?

For Shaukat Aziz to come and defend, actually it would not be defending graphs and figures but he would need educating masses that Rs 1000 is more than Rs 100, if inflation is 20 percent than it is more than 5 percent inflation, GDP growth of 8 percent is more than GDP growth of 3 percent, Pakistan had debt in 1999 (left by these political crooks) and Pakistan was paying heavy interest on that debt since then, when Pakistan imports Pakistan pay for them in dollars and thus if Pakistan was importing more than Pakistan can afford than Pakistan would not have accumulated 16 billion dollar reserves, 16 billion reserves is more than around 1 billion dollar reserves of 1999 ... and all these sort of things.

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Brother, here is the site that has Daar drama full of lies. You read my first and above post then see the program Daar came with his BS and if you can understand a bit about graphs and figures on the graphs (school stuff) than think yourself on what graph Daar presented and what he was telling the people watching the program. If you can understand graphs, you would also understand what I wrote and why I consider Daar as big time liar and Khazana Choor.

http://pkpolitics.com/2008/04/09/ishaq-dar-unleash-financial-mess/

You can pause the program and look at each and every graph carefully, understand what graphs tells, think critically, logically, without bias and in educated way, than compare it with what this liar tells and claims.

Actually when a person gets in possession of some wealth as caretaker (politicians are caretakers of country’s wealth) and then starts telling people of the country that wealth is less than what it really is, it clearly means that the person that got in possession of the wealth as caretaker has intention to steal something from that wealth and thus making other (masses) believe that wealth is less, so that later when he steals, no one questions.

Same is happening today in Pakistan. Both crook parties of Nawaz and Zardari in power are thinking to steal and know that they would underperform, thus undermining the performance of past 8 years so that when they steal and underperform, no one can raise finger on them.

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Khazaza Chor Ishaq Dar is presently in the US invting them to invest further in Pakistan. How ironic.

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^ i guess that's just drama....this is his personal visit.

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Saleem,

First of all I totally disagree with your headings. There are other ways to convince people nicely. Link graphs and websites/proofs as you claim. Otherwise it is same BS lies you propogate on this forum.

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Pride: I have given the site where the talk of this choor Khazanchi Daar can be seen. I am given it here again:

http://pkpolitics.com/2008/04/09/ishaq-dar-unleash-financial-mess/

Anyhow, if you knew to read graphs and figures given in those graphs than you would not have commented on what I wrote as BS. But it seems that your understanding of graphs and figures presented in graphs is zero and you rely on whatever Liar and Choor Khanzanchi Daar (and similar super liars like Ahsan and King Liar Nawaz) says as you are under the spell of these PML(N) choors, thugs, terrorists, and liars, you are forgivable.

I think that if you disagree with what I wrote then instead of putting too much pressure on your mind, you should show the graphs and figures given by Liar Daar to some respectable and knowledgeable person and he would tell you what is there in the graphs. Anyhow, as you do not know to read graphs and do not know what financial figure means (as your comment on this thread shows) than you should not comment and keep quite. I am sorry, but my post was for those who can understand graphs and can deduce figures from graphs.

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You r not here for long enough.. else u wouldn't have wasted time in replying... but u will soon learn abt everyone and their extremisms if any..