In defence of Hz Umar (ra) (In response to Pagluu’s Post)
*Dear Moderator – I am responding to the thread that you had locked up – The thread starter had clearly ‘attacked’ Hz. Umar (ra) and did need a proper response – which I think I have attempted to do.
I hope you don’t mind me addressing the same thread again.*
**Pagluu ** - You and your likes (I know the site where you have got your material from)are like those pathetic Christians who spend their precious time scouring through the Quran and looking for ‘mistakes’ which their hate filled mind see and then create fantastic websites promoting their ‘fantastic discoveries’!
I can make some excuse for you for posting such useless ‘attack’ on Hz. Umar Khattab (ra), the second righteous Khaleef of the Prophet (saw) as your username states the state of your mind.
Hz. Umar Al Khattab (ra) doesn’t need anyone to defend him. Allah (swt) has honoured him despite of you and your hate filled sect.
Browse the Net and you will see how many sites are out there attacking the personality of the Noble Prophet (saw)!!! Does that demean the status of the Prophet (saw)???
So what if 10% to 15% of wayward Muslims attack the great companions of the Prophet (saw).
Check out the following site – it has rebutted all that you had spewed. I hope you have the guts to read it.
Ahlel Bayt Articles Hadith About the (Non)Incident of the Pen and Paper [A Sunni Perspective]
“The Shia propagandists make a big fuss over the so-called “incident of the pen and paper” or what they ominously refer to as “Black Thursday”. The Shia exaggerate about the Hadiths on this topic, and use them as some sort of proof against Umar ibn al-Khattab. However, the truth of the matter is that these claims are nothing but the melodramatic antics of the Ghullat gossipers who seek to make a mountain out of an anthill. In this article, we shall examine said event in an objective and reasonable manner, after which we will respond to the Shia accusations.”
I don’t want to stoop to your debased level otherwise I can dig out matter from your books where there are narrations accredited to your imams that would make a hardcore sailor blush!!! I won’t stoop to your level or to that of your likes.
Narrated 'Aisha:
The wives of the Prophet used to go to Al-Manasi, a vast open place (near Baqia at Medina) to answer the call of nature at night. 'Umar used to say to the Prophet “Let your wives be veiled,” but Allah’s Apostle did not do so. One night Sauda bint Zam’a the wife of the Prophet went out at ‘Isha’ time and she was a tall lady. 'Umar addressed her and said, “I have recognized you, O Sauda.” He said so, as he desired eagerly that the verses of Al-Hijab (the observing of veils by the Muslim women) may be revealed. So Allah revealed the verses of “Al-Hijab” (A complete body cover excluding the eyes). Saheeh Bukhari Volume 1, Book 4, Number 14
I have quoted the hadith of the link – please show me where is what you are implying? Fear Allah!!!
**By implying that you are implying in fact shows your state of mind. **
Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:
The Prophet cursed the effeminate men and those women who assume the similitude (manners) of men. He also said, “Turn them out of your houses.” He turned such-and-such person out, and 'Umar also turned out such-and-such person. Saheeh Bukhari Volume 8, Book 82, Number 820:
Jumping to conclusions again!!!
What is your filthy imaginative mind trying to imply?
This person at Hz. Umar (ra)’s place could have been his relative, or servant/slave – after the Prophet’s (saw) order this person was turned out – I have quoted the hadith – was Prophet (saw)’s order general or specific to Hz. Umaar (ra)?
**By implying that you are implying in fact shows your state of mind. **
Pagal ullu did you ever hear of AL-NASIKH WA AL-MANSUKH (Abrogated verses)
Read the following:
SunniPath Library - Books - Ulum al Qur’an - AL-NASIKH WA AL-MANSUKH
Now be a good boy and run up to any ayatollah and ask.
USC-MSA Compendium of Muslim Texts
Do you or likes of you know ‘how adhan came into being’?
Do you have any record of Hz. Ali (ra) or any of your infallible Imams uttering anything against this?
Did Hz. Ali (ra) reject this practice at the time of his Khilafaat? A big NO!
Care to tell us how come Shias utter the following in their adhan - "Ashhadu ana Alian waliullah"
*Suhail reported on the authority of Abu Huraira that Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) said on the Day of Khaibar: I shall certainly give this standard in the hand of one who loves Allah and his Messenger and Allah will grant victory at his hand. Umar b. Khattab said: Never did I cherish for leadership but on that day. I came before him with the hope that I may be called for this, but Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) called 'Ali b. Abu Talib and he conferred (this honour) upon him and said: Proceed on and do not look about until Allah grants you victory, and 'Ali went a bit and then halted and did not look about and then said in a loud voice: Allah’s Messenger, on what issue should I fight with the people? Thereupon he (the Prophet) said: Fight with them until they bear testimony to the fact that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his Messenger, and when they do that then their blood and their riches are inviolable from your hands but what is justified by law and their reckoning is with Allah. Book 031, Number 5917: *
Jealous is a wrong word – competitive in good deeds? Yes. Hz. Umar (ra) was one of those who possessed the most zeal to out do others in doing good. That’s the reason the Prophet (saw) called him Al Farouk.
Read the following ayahs of the Noble Quran and note how the Quran encourages Muslims to ‘strive and’ vie with each other’ or ‘race with the other’
*They believe in Allah and the Last Day, and enjoin right conduct and forbid indecency, and vie one with another in good works. These are of the righteous. (Translation PICKTHAL : Quran: 003.114)
They believe in Allah and the last day, and they enjoin what is right and forbid the wrong and they strive with one another in hastening to good deeds, and those are among the good. (Translation SHAKIR: Quran: - 003.114)
Race one with another for forgiveness from your Lord and a Garden whereof the breadth is as the breadth of the heavens and the earth, which is in store for those who believe in Allah and His messengers. Such is the bounty of Allah, which He bestoweth upon whom He will, and Allah is of Infinite Bounty. 57:21*
**Pagluu **you can curse and abuse Hz. Omar (ra) to your hearts contend – it makes no difference
Allah (swt) has honoured Hz. Umar (ra) in this life by Companionship of the Prophet (saw).
And in death he is buried next to the Prophet (saw) – All of billions of Muslims who have came and will be coming till day of Qiyamat to pay their homage and respects to the Prophet (saw)will be doing the same to Hz. Umar (ra).
This is a great honour but if only your hate filled mind/eyes could see.
In hereafter his reward is with Allah (saw) – you worry about yourself!!!
**Pagluu **
Read the following;
…So Ali bin Abi-Talib started writing the treaty between them. He wrote, “This is what Muhammad, Apostle of Allah has agreed to.” The (Meccans) said, “If we knew that you (Muhammad) are the Apostle of Allah, then we would not have prevented you and would have followed you. But write, ‘This is what Muhammad bin Abdullah has agreed to..’” On that Allah’s Apostle said, “By Allah, I am Muhammad bin Abdullah, and, by Allah, I am Apostle of Allah.” Allah’s Apostle used not to write, so he asked Ali to erase the expression of “Apostle of Allah”. On that Ali said, “By Allah, I will never erase it!” Allah’s Apostle said (to Ali), “Let me see the paper.” When Ali showed him the paper, the Prophet erased the expression with his own hand. Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 53, Number 408:
Perhaps the knee-jerk reaction of the e-Shia would be to deny this narration; to deal with such a claim, we refer the reader to a source considered very reliable to the Shia. **Shaykh Mufid, the eminent Shia scholar **of the tenth century, writes:
Other things connected with (the expedition to) al-Hudaybiyya are (as follows): When Suhayl ibn Amir saw them and came towards their position, he begged the Prophet for peace. Inspiration came down on the Prophet in answer to that, and that he should make the Commander of the Faithful (Ali) his writer on that day and the one who would take down the peace treaty in his handwriting.
The Prophet said to him: “Ali, write down: In the Name of Allah, the Merciful, the Compassionate.”
“This is something which is being written between us and you, Muhammad,” Suhayl ibn Amir intervened. “Therefore begin with something which we accept and write: ‘In your name, O God.’”
The Prophet said to the Commander of the Faithful: “Remove what you have written and write: ‘In your name, O God.’”
“If it was not for the fact that I obey you, O Apostle of Allah, I would not remove: ‘In the Name of Allah, the Merciful, the Compassionate,’” the Commander of the Faithful replied. Then he removed it and wrote: “In your name, O God.”
Then the Prophet told him: “Write: This is what the Apostle of Allah and Suhayl ibn Amir have agreed upon.”
However, Suhayl ibn Amir again intervened, saying: “If I accepted this description of you in this document which being made between us, I would have admitted Prophethood to you; otherwise by agreeing to that I would be witnessing against myself or at least expressing with my tongue. Remove this name and write: ‘This is what Muhammad ibn Abdullah has agreed upon.’”
“Indeed, by Allah, he is truly the Apostle of Allah despite your arrogance,” said the Commander of the Faithful (Ali).
“Write his name as the condition which must be carried out,” retorted Suhayl.
“Suhayl, woe on you, cease from your obstinate behavior,” the Commander of the Faithful said to him.
“Remove it, Ali!” the Prophet ordered him.
“Apostle of Allah,” he said, “my hand will not move to remove your name from association with Prophethood.” (Kitab al-Irshad, by Shaykh Mufid, p.81)
Now do you agree the Hz. Ali (ra) refused to obey the command of the Prophet (saw)? I know the reason why he did it!
Let’s see what you have to say.