Keeping more than one wife, without ---- not allowed----reference Quran---

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Dear Readers?

Assalm mun ale kum,

I wonder ; how come people marry four ladies at a time and justify it from Quran?

How can our scholars keep on sitting and let people interpret AAyate Quranies, the they way they want; in order to justify their unjust action?

When I read Quran I always stop and wait to re understand on that AAYat that says; You can marry UPTO four provided you can do justice among them.

The same AAYat further adds a sentence ahead,Which you can not do. Pease note this sentence of Kalame ELAHE is most important ,in which he declares strongly that you can not do justice.(HE HAS NOT LEFT ANY LOOP HOLE TO SAY AGAR MAKAR)

So how come it is ,so easily interpreted that,

GOD(A) in the first part said that provided you can do justice ;is about justice in money matters

And second part is about justice; between love, which for sure man can not give equal to all wives.

Secondly; why every person continues placing himself in place of Prophet Mohammed(pbuh), saying he married 9 or 13 so we are also allowed, to marry more. Shut up; He was/is your prophet, he is after GOD . Do not take his action to prove your DEMAGH KEY IGHTARA <KHAMKHAYALI.

Please comment until all men follow that they can only have more than one wives when there is a such problem that the wife can not be your child’s mother

Or She has a contageous sickness etc and for these above reasons a lady has also been allowed to take KHULLa

Reflect your most intelligent and peaceful ARA please. Thanks and Regards Sokoon

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Re: Keeping more than one wife, without ---- not allowed----reference Quran---

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*Originally posted by sokoon: *

When I read Quran I always stop and wait to re understand on that AAYat that says; You can marry UPTO four provided you can do justice among them.
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Surah al Nisa (4:3)

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The same AAYat further adds a sentence ahead,Which you can not do. Pease note this sentence of Kalame ELAHE is most important ,in which he declares strongly that you can not do justice.(HE HAS NOT LEFT ANY LOOP HOLE TO SAY AGAR MAKAR)
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It is not the "same AAYat", rather another verse further in the same Surah (al Nisa 4:129).

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So how come it is ,so easily interpreted that,

GOD(A) in the first part said that provided you can do justice ;is about justice in money matters

And second part is about justice; between love, which for sure man can not give equal to all wives.
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That's how the verses are reconciled, otherwise they appear contradictory (and it is the exegesis given from earliest times, including the companions and their students) and without reconciliation it would also imply that Allah is issuing an instruction which He knows can't be fulfilled (yet: "Allah is never unjust to His servants." Qur'an 8:51). Someone may argue that the original allowance in 4:3 has been repealed.

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Secondly; why every person continues placing himself in place of Prophet Mohammed(pbuh), saying he married 9 or 13 so we are also allowed, to marry more. Shut up;
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There's no need to tell anyone to "shut up" because the verse limiting four wives was revealed after he had already married more than four... after the verse was revealed he married no more...

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He was/is your prophet, he is after GOD . Do not take his action to prove your DEMAGH KEY IGHTARA <KHAMKHAYALI.
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This is a ridiculous comment... If we can't take the Prophet's (saw) "action" (i'm speaking generally here) then who else do we follow?...

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Sokoon, men are allowed to marry four women and in fact it can be argued that it is Mustahab for them to do so. But, yeah they have to fulfill each of the rights. Polygamy is a blessing from Allaah for the women as well as the men. Alhamdulillaah.

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Re: Keeping more than one wife, without ---- not allowed----reference Quran---

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*Originally posted by sokoon: *

GOD(A) in the first part said that provided you can do justice ;is about justice in money matters

And second part is about justice; between love, which for sure man can not give equal to all wives.

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there r no parts here....
the rights beign talked about r materialistic rights....
a person cant love all his children the same so it wud be insane to expect hmi to love his wives all the same....
its just the right of same amount of money, gifts, lifestyle equality etc etc....

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sokoon, if it was not allowed, what was the point of mentioning four wives at all.

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Re: M

Dear M,

Hi!
TALAQ is also allowed; I guess you know that this is the action GOD does not appreciate at all.

Marrying four is allowed in case:

1) some one happened to love some one and they became so close that they are likely to commit sin. In this case marry that lady, give the name to the child. It is to make the child legitimate, giving father's name to child is also very important. It keeps the HALALI society.

2) Some time the wife is BANG that is she have defect in bearing a child And the men is in dire need to have child for his inherit property. He can marry. Keeping the first wife in both the above cases.

3) If the wife has some contageous disease, such as gonerehea, syphilis or AIDS etc

So there are conditions to marry upto four not to have four wives at a time for SHAWAT only like arabs do.

As marrying four, and having four at time, and saying that I can do justice among my wives; contradicts GOD'S sentence that " you can not do justice between them" This justice is for love ,admiration, getting more pleased with one than another.

Where ever is the next sentence it is KAlame Elahei.

I did not write wrong it is a documented discussion among educated and uneducated religious people of the world. Such discussion happened many time. Every one can not be wrong in saying what I have written. Bye Sokoon

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Read this:

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http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=10091&dgn=4

Discussions? We take from the understanding of the Companions. Who cares what the modern day so-called fake Scholars say. Most of them try to please the Kuffar. We don’t need to justify our Religion to anyone. It is from Allaah and thus is Perfect. Take the Religion upon the understanding of those who knew it best, the Companions and their Students and those who followed them in righteousness.

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Re: Re: M

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*Originally posted by sokoon: *

1) some one happened to love some one and they became so close that they are likely to commit sin. In this case marry that lady...
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You consider this an exceptional circumstance?? It should be the norm... so there really is no restriction on marry up to four wives even according to your argument - you may marry up to four so long as the basis is love... no problem with that...

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Re: Ta-Tawheed

Dear Sister,

Assalam mun ale kum,

Shall not it is good to discuss things and satisfy the thrust of the people regarding certain topics. If we have to just discuss things in the same way as thousands of books are filled. Then there is no utility of the forum to be considered, that one can discuss on this forum in length. What happens most of the people on this forum are totally against free and fair discussion. They restrict the discussions on companions in short and at large.

We all being muslim know about those ideas, we are hearing all those from our grandpa ,grand ma,teachers for so many years. If we are satisfied with all those things that are written in the books then why shall one try to discuss? The place where I am sitting I usually spend not less than Rs 500.00 per day on this forum. But it has the same old restricted, and the road of discussion has baricade upto khulafaie Rasheeda or few others then I do not think I should continue on this forum any more.

Since I believe that the companions used to listen and they then had reproduce after many years ; but as benefit of doubt let us take they used to reproduce after two days. Even then it is impossible to reproduce every thing the way it was said or the context it was said.
There were every chance that words had been changed ,so the meaning had been changed, or the theme of some thing said by prophet had been misunderstood. Also there is a big possibility that politician might have chnged things,later sometime.

In the light of above I think we must make used of Quran as authantic book. If some thing had be carried out which does not match Quran must be 100% wrong, as it is very understandable fact that what ever is written in Quran is from AZAL till ABAD; and it need not to take out some aayat or saying that Quran says this but companian did this ,so sunnat is this. Sunnat can never ever be different from Quran.

Because we must believe being thorough muslims that GOD is so great and really almighty and it has his firm principles and those principles would never ever change. I do not know I can not digest the way you all are not willing to come out of your one school of thought ; in which discussion is so restricted. Anyway bye bye Sokoon

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Re: Mr. Armughal, Mr. M & Mr. gupguppy

Dear brothers/sisters

Assalam mun ale kum,

For marriaging UPTO FOUR has been given permission with only one condition.

"provided, you must do justice between them" ( FROM QURAN)

"Also But you can not do justice between them" (FROM QURAN)

It means one should/must pause, overhere and think(LAHMAEI FIKREYA HEI, as both are GOD'S words), so think logically; whether four marriages are allowed as fun/enjoyment Or it is not allowed, the way our men feel great in marrying four or---having harums too, for more than four wives in some cases.

For sure it is a challenging aayat"where GOD says you can marry upto four" Permission, with a condition of justice.

also the truth is the creator of men says "but you would not be able to do justice between your wives"

So no one can claim that I can do justice for example in money matter.

GOD would have mentioned it as it is, but no GOD completely states you can not do justice between them" We as a muslims are not allowed to do CHOUN CHARA.We must bow our head , down infront of his statement about his own creation.

So which part has more commanding position? has no loop hole thorough, perfect, statement.

So first part is with condition, and second part is full stop you can not do justice between them.

So in normal condition to have fun and other things no men is allowed
to even marry second one.

as one would not do justice ,so commits some sin to marry the second or---So to marry, the second, is allowed in case you are likely to indulge in sin (ZEENA) to avoid bigger sin(non forgiveable sin) of Bringing the illegitimate child in the world.(DO a little wrong for avoiding greater sin).

or marrying a second time, due to not having children with the first.Again it amounts to: Not having complete faith in GOD that he does not want you to have child.

Also for sunnatee AHkam such as marriage, there is no compulsion to have kids, without the kids, and is it wrong to pass life with that wife? No. Also,

You know neither HAZrat HAFza, nor Hazrat Aeisha had kids.

Neither our prophet had male child. So in this case of not having child with the first wife, is not a big deal ,it is MANSHEI EAZDI .one should remain razi ba razaei khuda.

The AAYat part in which GOD says but you can not do justice between them"is a way to let people know that do not take it as something great to do.Or do not make it a general practice.

It is conditional and render you with some kind/amount of sin for second marriage, but ofcourse not MASEYAH KABIR( unforgiveable).

This small sin to marry is allowed to avoid MASEYAH KABIR, from maseyah sagheir, as I have explained above. Bye Sokoon

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^^

You are just repeating what you've already said earlier, over and over, including contradicting yourself, such as whether a man can marry again if his first wife can't bear him any children...

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Re: gupguppy,

Hi!!

It is needed to be repeated; since the thread is all about that,no one should marry without any real excuse such as, what excuses, I have written above in the thread. Not as pleasure like most of the arabs marry for ,or even more. And they have taught this to asian muslims also. Bye sokoon