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... I didn't brought any one opponent or their puppet in all this thread . ...
What does it mean?
Re: Kayani speaks his mind (Merged)
What does it mean?
You know that don't you? He can't write zardaris name in every thread. :)
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Analysis: Army chief versus the judge? – The Express Tribune
according to this article the statement of the coas could be due to the following:
asghar khan case, allegations of corruption against the generals family, missing persons case and the railway scam involving few retired generals.
The army is not used to being questioned, after all what ever the generals do is national interest. This national interest can take different shapes:
declaration of Bengalis as terrorists and operations against them, creation of IJI, war drums against bugtis, mengals and marris, declaration of whole tribes in fata as taleban and operations against them (while taking money from the US for doing the same).
Please don’t question anything they do as that’s against national interests.
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The army should learn to mind their business, they are answerable to the people of the country and not the other way round. They should do the job for which the people pay them for, as they have always failed us.
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What does it mean?
That was a reply to
AP uncal, to be fair, lets just restrict the establishment to Kiyaani only for this comparison. So a list of accomplishments by CJ vs. Kiyaani vs. Zardaari and for bonus you can throw in list of accomplishments by Imran as well ;)
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Kayani hits back — apparent reaction to bashing of generals
Pakistan Army Chief General Ashfaq Pervez Kayani.—File Photo
ISLAMABAD: Riled up over onslaught of jabs against the military, Chief of the Army Staff Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani responded on Monday to the critics warning them against undermining the institutions and behaving as the sole arbiters of the national interest.
“All systems in Pakistan appear to be in a haste to achieve something…. Let us take a pause and examine the two fundamental questions; One, are we promoting the rule of law and the Constitution?
“Two, are we strengthening or weakening the institutions?”, the general posed the questions at a meeting with army officers at the military headquarters.
The strongly-worded statement by Gen Kayani was immediately taken as a riposte to some of the observations by the Supreme Court in the Asghar Khan case about the ISI funding politicians in the past. But discussions with some of his aides revealed that the army chief believed that a ‘sinister campaign’ was being run against “the generals”, which not only created doubts about the military leadership, but also affected the morale of the troops fighting militancy.
Instant media reaction to Gen Kayani’s statement released late in the afternoon was hysterical with many talk show hosts lashing out at the army chief for what he had said. But hours later when people began to understand the full context of the top commander’s statement their responses were more accommodative and thoughtful.
Apart from the Asghar Khan case in which the Supreme Court held former army chief Gen (retd) Aslam Beg and ex-spymaster Lt-Gen (retd) Asad Durrani culpable for their misdeeds, the Public Accounts Committee had been actively pursuing the case against three generals and others accused of causing Rs1.8 billion losses to National Logistics Cell and the National Accountability Bureau last week began grilling three other generals for their involvement in the Railways’ Royal Palm Golf Course scam.
The court’s verdict in the Asghar Khan case had thrown open a debate about what was described as ‘unconstitutional and illegal’ involvement of the army and intelligence agencies in politics.
Last year’s Abbottabad raid had already significantly dented the army’s public standing and when the first of the evidence against the military officers began trickling into the public discourse people became more and more cynical about the integrity of the once unquestionable military leadership.
The verbal exchange that two of the three retired generals had with the media when they went to NAB for recording their statement reflected how the negative perceptions about the army personnel were playing on their minds.
Finger-pointing at the army and its affiliated agencies in the missing persons’ case also tarnished the image of the military.
The popular belief inside the military is that these problems have been further compounded by the ensuing ‘media trial’.
Although the accusations, other than the missing persons’ case, were against the retired generals, the GHQ believed that the general public and more particularly lower ranks generalised the allegations as being against the army’s top brass — thinking all to be alike.
“Gen Kayani’s statement had been necessitated due to sagging morale of the ranks,” an army officer explained.
This was the second time in 18 months that Gen Kayani had to reach out to his officers to put to rest unease among the ranks.
The last time he did so was a week after US Special Forces killed Osama bin Laden in a raid in Abbottabad. What was common on both the occasions was that Gen Kayani put the dead cat at others’ door — in the first instance the government was blamed for poor media handling after Osama denouement and this time he found fault with the judiciary, politicians and media for what he saw as unseemly criticism.
“The army chief has been under pressure from his constituency in the cantonments and barracks to respond to what the khakis feel has been an unrelenting and unfair campaign in the aftermath of the SC ruling in the Asghar Khan case and NAB’s summons to the three generals,” an insider said.
“Gen Kayani’s statement is as much aimed at assuaging his own khaki constituency as it is a warning shot at the civilians – media, in particular, plus the courts – who have gone to town against the army,” the source added, but didn’t find it “ominous”.
The army chief explained that the country was passing through a critical phase because of the war on terror, Nato withdrawal and upcoming polls in the country, and such attacks not only drove “the wedge between the people and the armed forces”, but also between the army leaders and their ranks.
“Any effort to create a distinction between the two undermines the very basis of this concept and is not tolerated, be it Pakistan or any other country,” Gen Kayani said about what he feared to be an attempt to create divisions within his troops. He admitted that there were instances of individuals making mistakes, but cautioned against prejudging anyone or undermining the concerned institution.
“An intense discussion and debate is natural in this process. No individual or institution has the monopoly to decide what is right or wrong in defining the ultimate national interest. It should emerge only through a consensus, and all Pakistanis have a right to express their opinions. The Constitution provides a clear mechanism for it,” the army chief said.
Talking to Dawn, Chairman of the Senate Committee on Defence and Defence Production Senator Mushahid Hussain, who has been working on civil-military relations, said: “At a time when the armed forces are engaged in a relentless campaign against extremism and terrorism, army-bashing due to past mistakes of previous military leaders, is unjustified and uncalled for, more so when the Supreme Court has already set the record straight by giving a verdict that reverses a historical wrong (army’s blatant political meddling in 1988-1990).”
Analyst and Director of Jinnah Institute Raza Ahmad Rumi saw in Gen Kayani’s statement “an institution with history of monopoly over power fighting back for its once dominant position”.
Mr Rumi maintained that some in the media and judiciary and among the politicians were clearly rattling the top military leadership.
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^^^ In any other country he would been fired for giving a political statement. General McChrystal was fired by Obama for similar statement not long ago. Btw, regardless of political diff. political parties must make it clear that army has no role in politics & that governing must be left of elected leaders & not to generals.
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^^^ In any other country he would been fired for giving a political statement. General McChrystal was fired by Obama for similar statement not long ago. Btw, regardless of political diff. political parties must make it clear that army has no role in politics & that governing must be left of elected leaders & not to generals.
Agreed, the .army should do their own job which they are not doing so well apparently. All this to cover up the corruption of a few generals? Musharraf threw balochistan into turmoil due to criminality of a captain, when will these generals smell the coffee?
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Kayani to CJ:
koi pathar say na maaray meray diwaanay ko :)
Re: Kayani speaks his mind (Merged)
^^^ In any other country he would been fired for giving a political statement. General McChrystal was fired by Obama for similar statement not long ago. Btw, regardless of political diff. political parties must make it clear that army has no role in politics & that governing must be left of elected leaders & not to generals.
Bush said that Sir. General Tommy franks suggested me invade Iraq and I couldnt refuse.
Re: Is kayani coming out against Iftikhar Chaudhry?
I'm no fan of CJ, but Kayani should keep his mouth shut & do his job of guarding the frontiers. Most of Pakistans problems can be traced back to self-appointed saviors like Kayani.
he is not your payroll, ok.
if you have some problem ask you elected govt to take right actions. you people are fan of democracy but have no deomcratic sense at all.
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Bush said that Sir. General Tommy franks suggested me invade Iraq and I couldnt refuse.
I wonder how dear Bush would have reacted if General Tommy suggested invading Texas.
Re: Is kayani coming out against Iftikhar Chaudhry?
he is not your payroll, ok. if you have some problem ask you elected govt to take right actions. you people are fan of democracy but have no deomcratic sense at all.
He is on whose payroll?
I thought it was MY tax money that provides for his salary. It is not HIS job to determine what is 'right' or 'wrong'.
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I wonder how dear Bush would have reacted if General Tommy suggested invading Texas.
NS has been doing politics on balochistan issue. when he was asked by govt take the responsibility of outcome of drawing focres back from balochistan he jsut shut his mouth since then. you note the point, your govt own this adventure.
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NS has been doing politics on balochistan issue. when he was asked by govt take the responsibility of outcome of drawing focres back from balochistan he jsut shut his mouth since then. you not the point, your govt own this adventure.
What are the forces doing there in the first place? Who sent them?
As any head of state would, Bush sought advice from military about Iraq invasion. General Tommy had to seek permission from the US Senate and the bloody civilian president before he could move a truck out of the USA for Iraq and he did only when 'ordered' to do so.
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We have always had the greatest respect for our soldiers and officers who fight and sacrifice for us. We have literally kept our children unfed, uneducated and our mothers without health care to keep our armed forces strong and well armed. What we ask in return is for them to do their job i.e. protect our borders and not to indulge in what is not their job.
Is it too much to ask for?
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I am afraid they are ready to do more mistakes .
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When it come to govt, to apnay aap se nazar churany wali dosheeza wali bat ho jati hai :) however it is good that you started realizing the difference between doing a army job and running a firm like bank but most of people dont.
We have always had the greatest respect for our soldiers and officers who fight and sacrifice for us. We have literally kept our children unfed, uneducated and our mothers without health care to keep our armed forces strong and well armed. What we ask in return is for them to do their job i.e. protect our borders and not to indulge in what is not their job.
Is it too much to ask for?
Its very easy to say like this but you failed here to prove that. any other incident can outweigh the this 'greatest respect'. It would be better if you hate both leaders and led instead of making your choice to praise only led, otherwise if people like you were in majority it would be nothing but disaster.
Tell me which level officers dident embrace shahdat ever?
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^ I do not understand most of what you have written. Could you write in Urdu please? Maybe I do not have the capacity to understand angraizi much.