Re: Kayani speaks his mind
AP uncle! ye PPP ha, hakoomat keh mazay bhi to lootnay hain na.
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Indian media is reporting that he was taking shots at CJ chaudhary.
You guys can confirm if it is true.
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yeh but Dawn headline was more chaskey wali !
Re: Kayani speaks his mind
Indian media is reporting that he was taking shots at CJ chaudhary.
You guys can confirm if it is true.
he is.
Re: Kayani speaks his mind
Indian media is reporting that he was taking shots at CJ chaudhary. You guys can confirm if it is true.
That may be a reason of his statement but they are surrounded , Situation inside the army is not different than the civilian administration and matters are out of control almost . Last two years were not good for them and they are being exposed continuously and they are afraid that more stories can come out . Unfortunately they are doing not well since last sixty years . Pakistan is divided into two and facing critical challenges now and it is all due to their foolish policies .
They never allow the intelligent people to rise and they promoted the dirty lots so the day is today when we don't see any wise leader in the top class of leaders . Their wide spread business is also a hurdle in national growth and they have also destroyed all the cantonments by changing those in residential areas .
National economic position is also not good to provide them enough money and American aid is also reduced so they are facing difficulties even they knew that at this moment coming into power will not be beneficial for them due to economic position .
There is an imminent need of a new political , social , organizational and regional contract to decide the role of organizations in the future and to go for some better but it is not possible without a NRO for all and a serious deal to stop the corruption at every place . Main problem is loss of credibility .
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He shouldn’t have. He should have kept his mouth shut. Why media is giving so much importance to Kyani’s speech? If he has given statement against CJ, then, it is still not good. It looks like army is waiting for the right time to strike against civil government, and then history will repeat itself since partition.
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I'm no fan of CJ, but Kayani should keep his mouth shut & do his job of guarding the frontiers. Most of Pakistans problems can be traced back to self-appointed saviors like Kayani.
Agree 100%.
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He shouldn't have. He should have kept his mouth shut. Why media is giving so much importance to Kyani's speech? If he has given statement against CJ, then, it is still not good. It looks like army is waiting for the right time to strike against civil government, and then history will repeat itself since partition.
HE DIDN'T SPEAK ON THE ISSUE , HOWEVER HE IS INFORMATION MINISTER . He replied in genera to journalists .
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I must say that Media has given this statement lot of unnecessary coverage. However it is interesting that politicians are reluctant to comment on it as such.
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He has used same words in brief in a speech somewhere else (Perhaps at Kakool) some days ago . Those were not taken serious but this is a policy statement now from a man with a million guns so it has much importance . You can understand it clearly otherwise too .
In my opinion he is admitting their faults and promising to abide the law in future . So I am asking to talk about the need of a new political , social , organizational and regional contract . It is first time that the holy cow is talking about mistakes .
He said on independence day this year
Whereas, the Chief of Army Staff (CoAS) General Ashfaq Kayani delivered speech on Independence Day of Pakistan at the Kakul Military Academy. He said Islam and Pakistan is connected with each other. We should not forget Pakistan came into being on Islamic principles and any power cannot depart Islam from Pakistan. He also said that everyone is responsible for mistakes made in past we cannot get anything just on crying, it is necessary to learn from past mistakes. He also said that if anyone considers himself as most genius and his opinion as a final decision is extremist and it is real terrorism. He said that the hardest task for military is to fight with its own people and army use this as a last option. He also acknowledged that we are very well aware of corruption, mismanagement and other problems. He further said that the biggest challenges are national security, safety and unity and we will give strong Pakistan to coming generation.
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It's interesting .that the Army chief is telling us that no individual or institution can tell the nation about national interests. Who were those who have been labelling politicians national security threat, baloch nationalists as terrorists, and running the .internal Security policies As they don't trust the civilians for the same. Is the army feeling the heat now due to it's flawed policies Or reminding us that it's still the army who will decide the national interests (civilians should remain in their shoes) ? In any case it's an amusing statement.
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I agree with the chief justice that the national security cannot be guaranteed by the size of arsenal alone, improve civil rights and give all people confidence that they are equal citizens the security of the country will improve.
Ps: Kayani .sb .go and wash your face.
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I would like someone to make a list of accomplishments by this CJ dude since he was restored? 2008 i believe? yeah what has he done in the interests of the country since the bloodless coup agains Mushyman. All i ever read is his threatening statements and rhetoric. Maybe a new dedicated thread is needed for that.
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I would like someone to make a list of accomplishments by this CJ dude since he was restored? 2008 i believe? yeah what has he done in the interests of the country since the bloodless coup agains Mushyman. All i ever read is his threatening statements and rhetoric. Maybe a new dedicated thread is needed for that.
That could be very brief but a list of crimes by establishment will take much more time ,
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AP uncal, to be fair, lets just restrict the establishment to Kiyaani only for this comparison. So a list of accomplishments by CJ vs. Kiyaani vs. Zardaari and for bonus you can throw in list of accomplishments by Imran as well ;)
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I would like someone to make a list of accomplishments by this CJ dude since he was restored? 2008 i believe? yeah what has he done in the interests of the country since the bloodless coup agains Mushyman. All i ever read is his threatening statements and rhetoric. Maybe a new dedicated thread is needed for that.
Can you imagine that a sitting army chief is afraid of a chief justice? A bloody civilian after all? Do not underestimate the power of the constitution vested into the institution of the supreme court. Even the apex court itself is under the constitution, but inside the umbrella of the statute, it's the apex court which will play the overseer.
Now, if anyone resort to any misadventure, he will first storm the supreme court and will go to the prime minister house later. Your parliament is now shielded by the supreme court.
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**8: **While individual mistakes might have been made by all of us in the Country, these should be best left to the due process of law.
Contradictions in terms. The "due process of law" is underway sir. You are trying to militate against it.
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Amal thats sweet. But I believe that if Kiyaani wanted to take over the reigns, he could cough 111 brigade. What could stop him? Are they going to try him in a court, hang him, imprison him :-)
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Kiani is not a leader and he is not talking about his personal mistakes . He is army chief and talking on behalf of army . I didn't brought any one opponent or their puppet in all this thread . Mainly story is being developed by media as a warning to CJ and media but my view is different and I have stated already . Even I don't want to enter any blame game but they have done a lot of mistakes and they were never capable to run the state affairs and their rule and interference caused all damages to Pakistan , No one else is responsible for all this mess . This is the time for an open question to them .
Are you ready to go back to borders and barracks or not ?
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Amal thats sweet. But I believe that if Kiyaani wanted to take over the reigns, he could cough 111 brigade. What could stop him? Are they going to try him in a court, hang him, imprison him :-)
Well if Kayani rally wants to pack up the system, he actually can do that. But he won't be able to get a constitutional cover for his illegal outing. We have seen in the past that right from General Ayub to General Musharraf, every single dictator has had his act approved by courts. It gives them some sort of legitimacy. Kayani won't get that. Lawyers will be out on streets again and the media is all the more powerful now. Politicial parties, despite their differences, are not any bit in favour of disruption in the system. So the synergy of it all will be too much for a dictator to tackle.
Having said that, I don't think that Kayani will resort to any idiocy. Secondly, if it really happens, the spark to resist such a move will be provided by the supreme court, even if the judges are also put in jail.